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Fikou wrote:from this point onward, no more shitposting please, only serious discussion about the ATHATH (Also known as ATH1909) permanent ban.

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Armhulen wrote:the bad faith actors glow in the dark you can see them if you're driving, you just run them over that's whatcha do

Qustinnus wrote:

what the llama doing??

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Nalzul wrote:

cSeal wrote:

Fikou wrote:armhulen and seal, please stop being fucking bad faith actors that just derail the entirety of this thread, taking away from the ban discussion

YOU ARE EXITING THE ANIMAL REPOSITORY [/quote]


Edit: For clarity, this vaguepost is directed towards coconutwarrior.

People should thank athath for finding and most importantly reporting so many bugs and exploits.

Athath have in conversation with me about my features pointed out potential exploits which has been very helpful. Beforfe the code went live, I might add.

Permabanning someone for doing free bug testing of our very buggy game made largely by amateurs seems insane.

Free Athath.

i'd feel more bad if it wasn't for the fact this isn't the first event he's done this

>spoils the whole event and talks about exploits in OOC
>gets banned for the third event in a row
>immediately hops on twitch chat to do the same

absolute sigma male
not gonna lie, I'm also gonna miss the weekly reruns of "athath exploits a niche but fun feature until it has to be removed for everyone"

Wait is this the guy who finds then abuses exploits/ bugs repeatedly to make a point about how quick they should be fixed?

Denton wrote:>spoils the whole event and talks about exploits in OOC
>gets banned for the third event in a row
>immediately hops on twitch chat to do the same

absolute sigma male
not gonna lie, I'm also gonna miss the weekly reruns of "athath exploits a niche but fun feature until it has to be removed for everyone"

>spoiled one event out of however many there were because it was literally named what it was going to be in the code and that was the ONLY one he saw
>hops on twitch chat and suggests using the borgs behind display windows as land mines in the robotics event
>gets banned permanently from the game as a result of reading code on discord

fucking deranged, free athath.
man's an autist and hardcore code diver but "code diving to see what you can do with the spaghetti code in this wacky game" is literally lower on my list of "types of people I wish didn't exist" than the average career greytider and we happily let assistant mains continue to fuck with people for giggles

It's the great purge of /tg/. Political dissenters are getting permabanned and only Manuel supporters will remain

pathetic ban

if you dont want people to read your code dont make it open source

there is a time and place to speedrun prison meth and discover niche exploits in underused game mechanics

specially crafted events (some of them actually raising funds for charity) aren't the place to do it and this isn't the first time he's done it

cant help being a virgo

close the github

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:
>spoiled one event out of however many there were because it was literally named what it was going to be in the code and that was the ONLY one he saw

It wasnt one event

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:>hops on twitch chat and suggests using the borgs behind display windows as land mines in the robotics event
>gets banned permanently from the game as a result of reading code on discord

Again, he tried to suggest exploits and spoil the event for people after already being banned for not fucking off. I`m gonna be honest omega I dont think this is a hill you wanna die on. He was warned repeatedly to not try and spoil the fucking event, and he just kept on doing it. This guy has a long history of abusing code to make the game fucking miserable for other people, and despite constant warnings and people telling him to directly fuck off he just hasn't. He should've been perma'd ages ago.

how is it possible to spoil the event. what was the spoiler

PKPenguin321 wrote:how is it possible to spoil the event. what was the spoiler

deez nuts going in the tg admins mouth for the food contest.

lol

I did warn him long ago to be careful about how he handled talking about code, if only he had listened

Breach the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower end up in the ebony dungeon

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29365

after reading this appeal i can tell that the headmin role just isnt for coconut

Bruh did he really get beaned for "spoiling" a competition's structure? w h a t

Not even anything about the actual events just their names because someone left them publicly available?

Bonus points for the "lmfao yeah I banned you from the event you wanted to take part in you can appeal the ban AFTER I already cucked you hehe xD" fuckery.

Also "all you do is exploit code to make the game worse for everyone" is a plain fuckwit's accusation if the guy also makes up half the issue reports on github. If that's all the guy does, he wouldn't literally log every exploit for coders to fix online - he'd keep them to himself and just quietly use them.

I would have liked there to have been more detail about what he actually did to detrimentally impact the event to such an extent as to warrant a permaban.

ATHATH, in my experience of him in the Discord, is helpful, kind, and knowledgeable. Whether it's sharing little hax you can do in-game, going codediving to answer some autist's question about whether sleeping carp with a buckler adds to block chance or something, or just providing a helpful bridge between the coder-illiterate and actual coders, his presence in the Discord is a positive one. I find it really bizarre he is permabanned for this, unless he did something that significantly harmed the event.

I don't check the coding channel much, because I can't read code, but I have noticed lots of coders disagree with ATHATH's opinions, and I have seen it spark pretty heated debates that seem to have gotten personal (the one I have in mind is from quite a while ago but I presume is the standard). I'm not sure if that's factoring in here, but this ban is truly surprising and I hope it's reconsidered, because ATHATH is a very helpful and active Discord user and the server is better with them in it.

You guys are missing a lot of context here - ATHATH has a history of only reporting actual detrimental bugs and saving the good ones to exploit whenever he wants to for giggles. He's been warned more times than I can count not to do shit like this and keeps doing it.

I'm not sure I agree with a perma, but knowing what other bugs and exploits he's done in the past, he really doesn't seem to give a shit about anyone's fun but his own.

E: He's also done this like three times for other events and has been told not to, so... I kinda don't have much sympathy for him.

this has escalated from lol to cringe

Reading this thread it has become clear to me ATHATH is a guy who loves to share niche code knowledge, do fun things with it and is possibly concerned about the amount of bugs these days and the lack of impetus to fix them. An admin was upset they were upstaged and used the historical stuff that was previously not considered banworthy to justify permabanning him for it. Notice how they never tell you the nature of the exploit that was used to upgrade it to a permaban? Its consequences, for example? I don't think this ban will be upheld. A shorter ban would suffice to make the consequences of his actions seem real enough to avoid doing it in future.

he should've been banned way earlier for not posting among us ascii in twitch chat

literally permabanned for backseat gaming / throwing suggestions during an event
lol

Apparently open speculation on how to "exploit" the event from the perspective/same view as anyone else watching twitch chat was the final straw?
He said
"also, if teleportation works"
"can they extract the cyborgs from behind the windows"
"and then deploy them around"
"and then use a robotics console"
"to detonate them"


That would be the same as me saying "cant they make bluespace tomatoes and force the other player out of bounds" in the botany 1v1 event.


Literally every event was "exploited" to a certain extent due to the sandbox nature of this game.


Also how many times was it stated that this event wasn`t going to be "fair" and how many indecisive wins were there? How many times did a 3rd party intervene (the gorilla, steve harvey shooting people and spawning baseball bats during trivia, etc)

So why do the admins care so much that this one player speculated that there was a way to exploit the mech event in twitch chat of all places? It seems like they hated athath more than what he said.




I would be glad to be permabanned as well for enjoying a sandbox, I have a history + video evidence of me "exploiting" features in ss13 which allowed me to do things from harmless pranks to murderboning as antag. Underscorecow -gaming.

2021-03-10 - Named himself "Marth From Super Smash Bros Melee" as a chef to abuse a bug that let CQC grab from long distances.

I am now 100% on team Athath

Malkraz wrote:

2021-03-10 - Named himself "Marth From Super Smash Bros Melee" as a chef to abuse a bug that let CQC grab from long distances.

I am now 100% on team Athath

Holy shit. I'm in awe at his power.

his power comes at a terrible cost, he has to willingly code dive then test said exploits

Denton wrote:>spoils the whole event and talks about exploits in OOC
>gets banned for the third event in a row
>immediately hops on twitch chat to do the same

absolute sigma male
not gonna lie, I'm also gonna miss the weekly reruns of "athath exploits a niche but fun feature until it has to be removed for everyone"

I... didn't even make it into the event. I was banned hours before it even started because I talked about it in the mapping channel, not in OOC chat.

Critawakets wrote:if you dont want people to read your code dont make it open source

In their defense, I don't think that they CAN make it closed source.

They could've put, like, a request not to read the code of the testmerge PR in the testmerge PR's opening post or something, though, and I'd've obeyed it.

Domi even said the twitch ban was out of line. The Perma was placed because of the twitch ban. This should be a easy case of just removing the perms ban.

2019-5-29 - I know it wasnt malicious but please dont make your name a url via agent card and then ask an AI to orbit you, forcing people to click links is a bad idea and it's a slippery slope with bug abuse and potentially giving people the idea of linking malicious sites at silicons with their name

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Honestly I was already team Ath but the admin response just makes me even more biased

Cringe ban other heads should overturn this shit - especially that fucking "you offered 'exploits' in twitch chat I'm making it a perma" hard cringe terrible ruling

Hell of the quoted "note history", only lagging the server intentionally was actually serious the rest are just admin excuses for a saltban

How is those even considered exploits. He didn't say anything that wasn't obvious to everyone. The only thing someone MIGHT say is that he was encouraging breaking the event rules.

"also, if teleportation works"
"can they extract the cyborgs from behind the windows"
"and then deploy them around"
"and then use a robotics console"
"to detonate them"

nono you dont understand, basic gameplay mechanics are exploits now
if we let athath go, he could have used the super powerful "water + potassium grenade" exploit to instantly win despite being in twitch chat

so this guy pokes fun with bugs in a harmless way which conveniently causes us to become aware of them and allows us to fix them and we've banned him because he... discussed a way to blow up borgs during an event, which did not actually happen and was an entirely unremarkable statement ignored by players?
hello? this cannot be right

PKPenguin321 wrote:so this guy pokes fun with bugs in a harmless way which conveniently causes us to become aware of them and allows us to fix them and we've banned him because he... discussed a way to blow up borgs during an event, which did not actually happen and was an entirely unremarkable statement ignored by players?
hello? this cannot be right

Didnt you read?

The fact remains your actions are deteremintal to the community.

He must be banned

I think everyone would be cool if he didn't exploit-find during events. That will obviously lead to scrutiny and outcomes such as this.

any other time is just whatever.

Shadowflame909 wrote:I think everyone would be cool if he didn't exploit-find during events. That will obviously lead to scrutiny and outcomes such as this.

any other time is just whatever.

Please point to the "exploit-find" he commited in said event i cant see it.

technokek wrote: Please point to the "exploit-find" he commited in said event i cant see it.

He found a way to live in people`s heads rent free.

funny how these notes are mostly expired anyway

Banned for using bugs to "ruin the game" in ways that are more fun than 90% of admin "events". This man should be unbanned and promoted to admin.

joooks wrote:funny how these notes are mostly expired anyway

but but the admins said older notes dont matter!!!

they woudnt just go back on their word when its nice for them????

People giving far too much credit to ATH as he's far more selective with his bug reports than you might think as can be observed by how often he's arguing on github whenever there's a PR to fix a bug he likes to abuse, and he will routinely keep exploting bugs even after reporting them

I can't say if the ban was warranted as (sadly tbh) tg has historically been pretty lenient over bug abusing but trying to ruin an event is a compelling argument to get rule 1'd

This is as ridiculous as if Valve perma-banned Delfy lmao.

Mickyan wrote:People giving far too much credit to ATH as he's far more selective with his bug reports than you might think as can be observed by how often he's arguing on github whenever there's a PR to fix a bug he likes to abuse, and he will routinely keep exploting bugs even after reporting them

I can't say if the ban was warranted as (sadly tbh) tg has historically been pretty lenient over bug abusing but trying to ruin an event is a compelling argument to get rule 1'd

Can you please tell us how he was

trying to ruin an event

i think many in this thread have trouble seeing this, me included.

technokek wrote:Can you please tell us how he was

trying to ruin an event

i think many in this thread have trouble seeing this, me included.

You underestimate the power of rule 0.

joooks wrote:funny how these notes are mostly expired anyway

NOOOO NOTES AREN'T A PUNISHMENT
OLD NOTES ARE MARKED SO ADMINS KNOW WHICH ONES TO PRETEND THEY AREN'T USING TO PUNISH YOU NOOOOOO