THE EVENT KEEPS GOING ON AND ON PEANUT

Domitius · Post by **Domitius** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:05 am #607427

We learn from these experiences and will strive to do better next time. Lets celebrate the events memory and not continue dragging people through the mud.

The round is over now. Lets move on and not take everything so seriously.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 23&t=29485

Malkraz · Post by **Malkraz** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:06 am #607428

ur next dom

Gigapuddi420 · Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:10 am

looks like something that should have been hashed out in #adminbus, I don't see the complaint failing but I also don't see it ending in anything more then a bunch of slapped wrists with a reminder of some basic admin events etiquette. I suppose it'll be nice for forum regulars to see it play out formally.

Post by **RaveRadbury** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:13 am #607432

Gigapuddi420 wrote:looks like something that should have been hashed out in #adminbus, I don't see the complaint failing but I also don't see it ending in anything more then a bunch of slapped wrists with a reminder of some basic admin events etiquette. I suppose it'll be nice for forum regulars to see it play out formally.

A lot of people agreed that something like this needs to be discussed out in the open.

As I said in my original post I don't want anything to happen beyond headmins saying "Yes this shouldn't have happened, don't do it again in the future."

I wanted this to be a policy discussion but I was informed that the rules cover the incident described and therefore it has to be a complaint.

The complaint was delayed in part because I hoped that once passions fell that cooler heads would prevail.

I have a lot of respect and appreciation for the people named in the complaint, I put effort into not making it into a big dramatic thing. Still, this is something that must be addressed. Events need to be respected.

Gigapuddi420 · Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 am

I can respect that and I agree with people saying existing rules already cover it. Wouldn't hurt as a reminder.

Domitius · Post by **Domitius** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:20 am #607435

I wasn't aware of all the loops Rave was having to jump to try and start the conversation. I still don't like the outcome but I understand the logic that guided their hand.

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:14 am #607454

Positively wasted but i support my domitius 10:10 woo woo!!!! Hi gigapuddi!!

Fishimun · Post by **Fishimun** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:20 am #607456

the event that keeps on giving

Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:09 am

uuuuuuuuu

on hand, i'm glad that this thread exists

on the other hand, I'm going to have to respond to it.

maybe I shouldn't have retired from events

sinfulbliss · Post by **sinfulbliss** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:20 am #607468

I just want to say that Rave is a genius for leaving all the names of the admins the complaint is about in the logs. It's a good way to peanut-proof the discussion, since if you're not an admin even glancing at logs causes the eyes to glaze over and the brain to decay.

Something about that bright green hue and that over-detailed time-stamping on every mouse movement makes one wonder what it feels like to deepthroat a chainsaw.

Post by **oranges** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:18 am #607491

this is just good ammunition to use for reducing the list of admins on the event server to people I respect

CastorTroy23 · Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:02 pm

crybaby

Sparkezel · Post by **Sparkezel** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:21 pm #607518

Naloac · Post by **Naloac** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:34 pm #607521

sinfulbliss wrote:I just want to say that Rave is a genius for leaving all the names of the admins the complaint is about in the logs. It's a good way to peanut-proof the discussion, since if you're not an admin even glancing at logs causes the eyes to glaze over and the brain to decay.

Something about that bright green hue and that over-detailed time-stamping on every mouse movement makes one wonder what it feels like to deepthroat a chainsaw.

dont worry the logs make our eyes glaze over too, which is one of the reasons I tell people to write less in appeals

Post by **MMMiracles** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:38 pm #607522

Sparkezel wrote:-snip-

this is genuinely hilarious

Stickymayhem · Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:59 pm

domi is next to get cancelled

Yenwodyah · Post by **Yenwodyah** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:28 pm #607525

Seasonal events are cringe as fuck and so is anyone who attends them

Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:36 pm

Yenwodyah wrote:Seasonal events are cringe as fuck and so is anyone who attends them

:omegalul:

pathetic

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:38 pm #607527

None of this even matters anyway because if there was someone actually willing to step up and organize the next event, they would have already stepped forward. I put in by far the most amount of legwork in towards making the event possible of anyone involved other than citrus himself, and I can assure you that large gap between people's stated enthusiasm for contributing to the event and their willingness to actually put in the work needed on it was not lost on either of us.

You know what the grand punchline for this thread is? It was made by someone who wasn't even involved with producing/running the event, and the only thing it's going to accomplish is yanking citrus back into the spotlight to deal with the incredibly uncomfortable job of publicly passing judgement on other admins over something that he was happy to have wrapped up and moved on from 3 weeks ago.

This whole complaint is a farce, there will be no further events for the foreseeable future, leave citrus in peace.

Post by **RaveRadbury** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:43 pm #607528

Shaps-cloud wrote:None of this even matters anyway because if there was someone actually willing to step up and organize the next event, they would have already stepped forward. I put in by far the most amount of legwork in towards making the event possible of anyone involved other than citrus himself, and I can assure you that large gap between people's stated enthusiasm for contributing to the event and their willingness to actually put in the work needed on it was not lost on either of us.

You know what the grand punchline for this thread is? It was made by someone who wasn't even involved with producing/running the event, and the only thing it's going to accomplish is yanking citrus back into the spotlight to deal with the incredibly uncomfortable job of publicly passing judgement on other admins over something that he was happy to have wrapped up and moved on from 3 weeks ago.

This whole complaint is a farce, there will be no further events for the foreseeable future, leave citrus in peace.

Citrus has already expressed interest in the thread. He's a big boy and he can handle it.

In regards to contributing to the event, if you check logs you'll see that I was doing ticket and interview work during the entire event (like I've been doing every event since I was adminnined). It's how I witnessed the issues in the first place. I've been working on the events team for about a year now. While my contributions are not huge, I did some of the organizational work for the last toolbox tournament, and I have ran tickets every time. I was the one who worked with Bobbah to test the interview system during the summer ball last year.

Members of the events team have expressed appreciation for me taking the time to put the thread up, especially considering how wiped out they are from the event and how nobody wants to be the one to have to do this kind of uptight unpopular thing.

I believe that there will be events in the future, and we need to take care of stuff like this for future ones.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:51 pm #607530

After speaking privately with rave, I've returned to my senses and see that I was firing far too hot on that post
Rave has a legitimate interest in improving the state of our future events and preventing the harassment that some of the people involved with the complaint have faced from outsiders, and it wasn't cool of me to unleash my unrelated frustrations about the event on them

Post by **kieth4** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:17 pm #607531

chad rave privately threatening to knock out shaps so he would change his mind (sigma male vs beta)

Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:26 pm

wesoda25 wrote:Positively wasted but i support my domitius 10:10 woo woo!!!! Hi gigapuddi!!

Come back.

Tlaltecuhtli · Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:15 pm

jaywalking admin complaint

sinfulbliss · Post by **sinfulbliss** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:22 pm #607635

Uhh what to say
Nothing? Hahahaha like that'll ever happen...

So I feel like, it's okay if events are a bit fucky admin-abusey wucky because clearly there is a lack of interest in running and making events, so tightening the leash on admins and creating consequences for little fuckups during events might just exacerbate that issue.

On the other hand the size of the balls it must take to file a complaint against like 10 members of your own admin team is likely too large to fit in Fikou's hard-drive (but that's okay because he and Nameless got themselves out under le radar through super sneak Discord-fu beforehand anywayz).

MortoSasye · Post by **MortoSasye** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:56 pm #607644

sinfulbliss wrote:Uhh what to say
Nothing? Hahahaha like that'll ever happen...

So I feel like, it's okay if events are a bit fucky admin-abusey wucky because clearly there is a lack of interest in running and making events, so tightening the leash on admins and creating consequences for little fuckups during events might just exacerbate that issue.

On the other hand the size of the balls it must take to file a complaint against like 10 members of your own admin team is likely too large to fit in Fikou's hard-drive (but that's okay because he and Nameless got themselves out under le radar through super sneak Discord-fu beforehand anywayz).

The issue at hand was other admins stepping on an event that wasn't theirs, and by doing so, breaking admin conduct rules

sinfulbliss · Post by **sinfulbliss** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:26 pm #607650

MortoSasye wrote:
sinfulbliss wrote:Uhh what to say
Nothing? Hahahaha like that'll ever happen...

So I feel like, it's okay if events are a bit fucky admin-abusey wucky because clearly there is a lack of interest in running and making events, so tightening the leash on admins and creating consequences for little fuckups during events might just exacerbate that issue.

On the other hand the size of the balls it must take to file a complaint against like 10 members of your own admin team is likely too large to fit in Fikou's hard-drive (but that's okay because he and Nameless got themselves out under le radar through super sneak Discord-fu beforehand anywayz).
The issue at hand was other admins stepping on an event that wasn't theirs, and by doing so, breaking admin conduct rules

Yeah. But what if all the admins get scared and no more events happen

Post by **dragomagol** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:43 pm #607651

sinfulbliss wrote:
MortoSasye wrote:
sinfulbliss wrote:Uhh what to say
Nothing? Hahahaha like that'll ever happen...

So I feel like, it's okay if events are a bit fucky admin-abusey wucky because clearly there is a lack of interest in running and making events, so tightening the leash on admins and creating consequences for little fuckups during events might just exacerbate that issue.

On the other hand the size of the balls it must take to file a complaint against like 10 members of your own admin team is likely too large to fit in Fikou's hard-drive (but that's okay because he and Nameless got themselves out under le radar through super sneak Discord-fu beforehand anywayz).
The issue at hand was other admins stepping on an event that wasn't theirs, and by doing so, breaking admin conduct rules
Yeah. But what if all the admins get scared and no more events happen

That's very unlikely :> The events do take a lot of work and are very time-consuming to make, but in the end they're fun to work on and seeing players have fun with them makes it worthwhile.

ArcaneDefence · Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:58 pm

Domitius wrote:The round is over now. Lets move on and not take everything so seriously.[/url]

BAN REQUESTS WHEN???

Agux909 · Post by **Agux909** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:01 pm #607653

sinfulbliss wrote:
MortoSasye wrote:
sinfulbliss wrote:Uhh what to say
Nothing? Hahahaha like that'll ever happen...

So I feel like, it's okay if events are a bit fucky admin-abusey wucky because clearly there is a lack of interest in running and making events, so tightening the leash on admins and creating consequences for little fuckups during events might just exacerbate that issue.

On the other hand the size of the balls it must take to file a complaint against like 10 members of your own admin team is likely too large to fit in Fikou's hard-drive (but that's okay because he and Nameless got themselves out under le radar through super sneak Discord-fu beforehand anywayz).
The issue at hand was other admins stepping on an event that wasn't theirs, and by doing so, breaking admin conduct rules
Yeah. But what if all the admins get scared and no more events happen

If anything this encourages them to run events more, since the complaint is directed to those disrupting and going against event runners' decisions.

Post by **Cobby** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:51 pm #607661

Even if there was never a seasonal event ever again the thread is still good for regular events. The joke used to be that if you saw a bunch of admins on you could rest assured your round was about to be ruined by one admin doing the event followed by all the others “helping”.

Not to say any of these people did that but it’s good to hold feet to the fire if you think conduct is being broken.

One thing I will say is that even if each and every one had permission to do what they did, it still came off as fairly disruptive. Like if this was any other event you’d be asking the event runner if you could do X, the same should have really applied here.

Tlaltecuhtli · Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:00 pm

how did a megaphone and ooc message ruin the ""event""

Agux909 · Post by **Agux909** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:35 pm #607686

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:how did a megaphone and ooc message ruin the ""event""

You're the first one to say anything about the event being "ruined" (Cobby was just mentioning a funny saying).

Complaint was made to shed light in the subject of admins that aren't running the event stepping out of line and interfering with it, which is what happened.

So basically, if the position of event runner is given to x admins, then that's final, and others shouldn't be using their admin privileges to voice their discomfort and/or boicot the ER actions with further announcements, votes, etc.

In the end we see that these actions ended up pushing the event runner/s to twist their arm due to pressure, which is fucking uncool.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:45 pm #607688

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:how did a megaphone and ooc message ruin the ""event""

it was announced to admins before the event not to use admin tools to during the event unless they had applied to be part of the event staff

There is some confusion as to what constitutes an admin tool. does responding to ahelps count? does talking in ooc while ooc is disabled count? does joining while above the popcap bypassing it as admin count? does using the same announcement system the event staff were using count? does spawning in harmless items count? does spawning in yourself but not actually touching event outside of say count?

Tlaltecuhtli · Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:24 pm

MrStonedOne wrote:
Tlaltecuhtli wrote:how did a megaphone and ooc message ruin the ""event""
it was announced to admins before the event not to use admin tools to during the event unless they had applied to be part of the event staff

There is some confusion as to what constitutes an admin tool. does responding to ahelps count? does talking in ooc while ooc is disabled count? does joining while above the popcap bypassing it as admin count? does using the same announcement system the event staff were using count? does spawning in harmless items count? does spawning in yourself but not actually touching event outside of say count?

i think just using common sense responds to all the questions

Naloac · Post by **Naloac** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:35 pm #607700

I wrote so much on it and I never wanna read ever again.

Post by **Cobby** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:51 pm #607720

In general if you are doing something as a DM and not something for the purpose of rules you should pick permission over forgiveness in reference to assisting the event. I think that should be fairly straightforward

sinfulbliss · Post by **sinfulbliss** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:45 am #607738

MrStonedOne wrote: it was announced to admins before the event not to use admin tools to during the event unless they had applied to be part of the event staff

Oh. Damn.

MrStonedOne wrote: There is some confusion as to what constitutes an admin tool. does responding to ahelps count? does talking in ooc while ooc is disabled count? does joining while above the popcap bypassing it as admin count? does using the same announcement system the event staff were using count? does spawning in harmless items count? does spawning in yourself but not actually touching event outside of say count?

No; no unless message is subversive of round; no; yes unless the event staff allow it; no as long as they're truly harmless; no
Then again you could make this easier and just say everything is an admin tool unless it was said it's allowed by event staff beforehand.

cybersaber101 · Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:38 am

The real wonder is why the other contestant wasn't immediately disqualified for not giving a shit about the spirit of competition. Immediately running to use a hatchet in a competition like that is the embodiment of players we shouldn't want to have around.

Post by **TWATICUS** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:46 am #607872

spirit of deez nuts if its in the map its completely fair to assume youre allowed to use it hello??

Post by **Fikou** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:23 pm #608004

cybersaber101 wrote:The real wonder is why the other contestant wasn't immediately disqualified for not giving a shit about the spirit of competition. Immediately running to use a hatchet in a competition like that is the embodiment of players we shouldn't want to have around.

lol

Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:24 pm

today I will respond to thread <= clueless

Tlaltecuhtli · Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:25 pm

Fikou wrote:
cybersaber101 wrote:The real wonder is why the other contestant wasn't immediately disqualified for not giving a shit about the spirit of competition. Immediately running to use a hatchet in a competition like that is the embodiment of players we shouldn't want to have around.
lol

manuelmins still coping after a month

Agux909 · Post by **Agux909** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:47 pm #608009

I imagine the amount of drama that could've been avoided if only the last round of the tournament put both the competitors in a rage cage, with a bat on each side, instead of a "botany" contest, lol.

Whose idea was to get creative anyway???

cybersaber101 · Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:11 am

they laugh but it's still amazingly lame to run and grab a hatchet in a botanist vs botanist match.

Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:22 am

ok I did it it's over now

Post by **RaveRadbury** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:29 pm #608118

So relieved that headmins have allowed this to be a policy discussion, now I just have to figure out what I'm going to rewrite the OP to.