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so shit's going down right now in california, as of time of writing the suspect has not been caught. possibly tied to abortion shooter guy from earlier, but body count is much higher it seems. discuss.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-be ... index.html

It's a facility for disabled kids, so I doubt it's even remotely related to right-wing terrorism. But hey, you never know with those faggots.

men in military gear and a black suv?

c o n s p i r a c y

jet fuel can't melt retarded children

One of those kids was the indigo child now we're going to die from internet ghosts

Super Aggro Crag wrote:jet fuel can't melt retarded children

Fuck.

I'm not touching this beyond saying I'm not touching this.

that's like the people who put their finger in front of your face and repeatedly say "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching"

sure, but you're coming real close.

The suspects were located just now and are currently in a gunfight with police, one detained, possibly one down, one officer down.

The gun laws here sure have helped.

Yep.

I'm confused

How can you tell a facility for disabled children apart from the rest of California?

An0n3 wrote:I'm confused

How can you tell a facility for disabled children apart from the rest of California?

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An0n3 wrote:I'm confused

How can you tell a facility for disabled children apart from the rest of California?

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They're showing footage of them evacuating people. Currently the news network feels that talking about Donald Trump's latest "outrage" is more important than 30 retarded people being shot. Getting back to it, they have some woman talking on it with what is possibly the worst audio I've ever heard, I can't understand a fucking word she's saying.

Okay the woman with toaster audio is over, they have actual literate human beings talking, and they're saying they haven't found any bodies, they haven't ruled out foreign terrorism, and they haven't ruled out that it isn't a workplace revenge shooting.

They've also found the getaway vehicle about a mile away from the Inland Regional Center, which was the place that was attacked. Edit : SWAT teams are swarming over it and pushing it down the highway.

San Diegan here. I have left wing beliefs, but I'll be the first to admit that "gun-free zones" do fuck all to stop shit like this. It's like saying you can stop piracy by banning torrents.

Obama is speaking, mostly generic tragedy coverage that he's probably said at least 12 times this year. He's talking about prevention of further things like this, gun control increase to make it not happen anymore, etc.


Police have stopped pushing the getaway vehicle, they have set up shields, there might be a bomb in there.

Maybe they should try outlawing murders.

What we need is some way to catch mentally fucked up people like this early on and get them treatment. Healthy, well-adjusted people with something to live for don't do this shit.

Instead, we keep arguing about what kinds of guns we should ban.

It's poverty. I know the people around here, none of them are crazy, all of them are poor. They'd kill for a lot of money, acceptance, or respect. It's why Gangs used to be so bad in California before they got cracked down on.

It's not strictly poverty, it's people's unhappiness. Poverty can be a major contributor to that given how materialistic we are as a society and how much wealth is a factor for a lot of people in how they measure their own self-worth.

I mean, just the framing for this conversation and the words we use to describe people who have a comparatively lower income. They're poor. Something is fucking wrong with them. Or its someone's fault that they exist. And they're endangering other people around them because of how poor they are.

If you are poor, you can't go to college. If you can't go to college, you aren't likely to get a good job. If you don't get a good job, you're likely to be poor. If you're likely to be poor, your kids are likely to be poorer. It's this cycle here that's the huge contributing factor to Gangs and killings as a whole, aside from men having a distinct lack of social lives and pussy, which can happen due to poverty.

Speaking of pussy, good god, men will fucking murder people for it. Wars have been fought over the puss, and in a lot of ways, that continues even today. Teenagers would rather kill themselves than live without any pussy, and it's mostly the same with adults except for societal conditioning of contribution, so instead of offing themselves, they off others because their sex lives are non-existent.

I think it's more that we've invented so many cool doodads and flashing lights that people are compelled to want to own all of them. Not just own them, but the newest ones. The biggest ones. A better one than any of my neighbors have.

And when they can't get them, they flip the fuck out and get angry at eachother and upset with themselves.

Just look at what happens every Black Friday. The looting that occurs during a riot or national disaster.

People aren't stealing basic amenities, they aren't killing eachother over bread and water.
It's Xbox'es, flatscreens, jewelry, etc.

My point is that I don't think it's the money, if you gave the kinds of people who are shaped by this attitude all the money in the world they would still be just as petty, ignorant, and shitty. Maybe even violent, in the right situations.

Wealth. So that they can sell it and gain wealth. It all comes back in a circle, really, everyone has a need for money, some people have too much, and some people have too little.


Speaking of looting, the most sickening case of it I've ever seen happened a few months ago. There used to be this nice old lady that lived next to my grandmother in an RV park. One day she just keeled over, and it was literally the night that she died that her house got broken into and all her stuff was stolen. People will do anything for money if they're desperate.

Just another consequence of the endless push for more materialism at the expense of maintaining important societal values.

Cue debates where every party plays strawman with every other debater.

An0n3 wrote:I'm confused

How can you tell a facility for disabled children apart from the rest of California?

invisty wrote:Just another consequence of the endless push for more materialism at the expense of maintaining important societal values.

Cue debates where every party plays strawman with every other debater.

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America is fucked

But it's not the gun laws that make it fucked.
Shit, they pass out guns like candy in Switzerland and I think Finland too. But you don't hear about mass shootings happening there. Austria I believe doesnt even have gun control either

But of course the media just can't talk about that, nah. They just claim guns need to be banned

Yet another shooting in the good old United States of America.

Its sad this has become the norm, and not the rare exception.

People single out guns instead of the root cause of people being so fucking upset that they just get up and start shooting strangers.

In America we're okay with our neighbors having horrible, meaningless lives as long as they can't hurt us.

It's the core of society and capitalism, that 20% of the population has 80% of the wealth. Without wealth, we are nothing.

what if instead of outlawing guns, you outlaw lethal bullets?

That way everyone get's to keep their guns and the bullets that do the killing are banned.

Ban assault bullets IMO.

Won't do any good. People use lethal bullets for legitimate purposes (hunting, self defense, etc.) and they're even easier to acquire illegally than the guns themselves.

We're seeing similar issues in states with strict gun laws and lax gun laws. The level of gun control is not the variable here. Poverty and mental illness are the real issues, and politicians refuse to address either because that would mean defying their corporate overlords.

You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

oranges wrote:You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

Even if you issued a federal ban on them, there are enough stockpiles of said bullets to last for centuries. Banning things doesn't make them magically disappear. The gun control debate is an easy out for politicians to avoid discussing any real issues with society.

Luke Cox wrote:

oranges wrote:You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

Even if you issued a federal ban on them, there are enough stockpiles of said bullets to last for centuries. Banning things doesn't make them magically disappear. The gun control debate is an easy out for politicians to avoid discussing any real issues with society.

Like all the guns floating around.

oranges wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:

oranges wrote:You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

Even if you issued a federal ban on them, there are enough stockpiles of said bullets to last for centuries. Banning things doesn't make them magically disappear. The gun control debate is an easy out for politicians to avoid discussing any real issues with society.

Like all the guns floating around.

That too. In addition, you don't see this shit happening in other countries with similar levels of gun ownership.

oranges wrote:You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

China tried this

The Chinese are instead just making their own guns from pipes and other plumbing parts
Guns are not going anywhere, no matter what the laws say

Fucking liberals and their gun control. If you make guns illegal then only criminals will have guns. The only true solution is to arm retarded children so they can properly defend themselves.

Cheridan wrote:Fucking liberals and their gun control. If you make guns illegal then only criminals will have guns. The only true solution is to arm retarded children so they can properly defend themselves.

AK-47s for EVERYONE!

XSI wrote:

oranges wrote:You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

China tried this

The Chinese are instead just making their own guns from pipes and other plumbing parts
Guns are not going anywhere, no matter what the laws say

I'd rather the mass shooter has a homemade gun that jams after 5 bullets than a fully automatic weapon that will reliably shoot 6000+ rounds

oranges wrote:

XSI wrote:

oranges wrote:You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

China tried this

The Chinese are instead just making their own guns from pipes and other plumbing parts
Guns are not going anywhere, no matter what the laws say

I'd rather the mass shooter has a homemade gun that jams after 5 bullets than a fully automatic weapon that will reliably shoot 6000+ rounds

Again, this has been tried. Unfortunately, it does not work. If they are dead set on doing this, they will find a way. The only reasonable solution is to keep people from getting this fucked up in the first place.

I think making it harder for someone to commit a mass murder is a reasonably decent acheivable short term objective, all focus on mental health aside.

Luke Cox wrote:

oranges wrote:

XSI wrote:

oranges wrote:You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

China tried this

The Chinese are instead just making their own guns from pipes and other plumbing parts
Guns are not going anywhere, no matter what the laws say

I'd rather the mass shooter has a homemade gun that jams after 5 bullets than a fully automatic weapon that will reliably shoot 6000+ rounds

Again, this has been tried. Unfortunately, it does not work. If they are dead set on doing this, they will find a way. The only reasonable solution is to keep people from getting this fucked up in the first place.

Pretty much. If the gun jams after 5 shots, they bring 3 guns and they spend a lot of time practicing their marksmanship to make every bullet count.
Or they'll get a better gun design
If they really want to do it, it can't be stopped. Just inconvenienced

oranges wrote:You have to apply gun laws on a national level for them to make sense, enforcements at a local state level make no sense, since there are no internal borders in the USA.

Oranges is sense. I was gonna write a long and thoroughly reasoned post about gun control in conjunction with mental health and societal reform initiatives, but then I realized that would be pointless since nobody who didn't agree with my opening viewpoint would bother to read my reasoning, so I suplexed a boulder instead and that made me happy.

the moral: distribute a copy of undertale, a shitty monitor, and a Raspberry Pie to a bunch of people. bet you gun violence would go down.

That's pretty terrible logic yo.

It's like locking your car compared to leaving it on the street with the key in the ignition.
A determined thief can still break into a locked car and steal it, but it will stop casual thieves.

In Aus, after that cunt shot up a load of people in Tasmania and got automatic weapons banned/loads of new gun laws in, we've had no mass shootings and very few shootings at all.
Sure, the police still find gang members and shit with automatic weapons and shit occasionally, but when those guns are not only very hard to get, but VERY FUCKING EXPENSIVE, you see a lot less of them around.

Of course murika has fucking billions of guns in circulation so that would be a 100 year effort to try destroy most of them.

Edit: Also why do all the pro gun people always talk about mental health and stopping these particular people from getting access to guns?
The whole world is full of crazy fucks, yet the only places with this level of gun violence is the usa and shitholes like syria where there is an actual war going on.

I'm all for a reasonable level of gun control (who needs a automatic weapon?) but from what I see most people, if not all, who commit mass shootings/killings in America seem to suffer from any number of mental disorders or other problems.

I don't think there's a single thing you can do to 'solve' any issue, its a culmination of multiple changes that would work to have some positive effect.

Look to Australia, again, as a example, before the Port Arther Massacre gun shootings were not uncommon, yet after the Liberal party (conservative, John Howard (Prime Minister) got a LOT of shit for pushing for gun control laws) enacted more restrictive gun control laws, well it had a very good net gain. Aside from the occasional bikkie related shooting (that usually only kills a handful of people) there have not been any real mass shootings since.

If someone wants to cause harm they will, if not a assault weapon than a gun, if not a gun than a knife, if not a knife than a damn rock, if not a rock than their hands and teeth. But limiting vulnerable people's access, and access in general, to powerful weapons will make the results of shootings have, in my opinion, less casualties. There's a big difference between a automatic/semi auto rifle with a large magazine versus a pistol.

Essentially, a combination of cultural shifts, better mental health institutes, and very basic common sense gun control laws, would go well to lower gun related mass shootings. Imo.

and that's why we're removing all guns from ss13

We tried gun control on SS13 several times

Also tried second amendment several times

Turns out giving everyone in the crew guns is fine. Giving them grenades and suicide vests is not

The most rational solution is to purge all mentally disabled people from the earth

Can't hurt anyone if they're dead

Pureblood master race

Also it might just be that I'm a stone cold motherfucker, but I really don't think the shootings in the US are as bad as everyone says. If you look at why America has more shootings than somewhere like the UK or Australia, consider that the US has a shitload more people than those two and is larger (300 million compared to 64 million and 23 million). More people means more crazies. More crazies means more shooting, especially with the attention they've been getting these days. Shoot up somewhere and suddenly every news outlet in the country and a lot of the world has your name.

Now I'm not saying gun control does nothing, it probably helps, but it certainly isn't the ONLY reason Ausland has fewer shootings.

Apparently, the shooting was muslims