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The real mastermind behind it all

i wanna see it

If only

The real movie is more cringe than that, and seems to have both sides basically being incompetent fools and then ends before anything actually happens

XSI wrote:If only

The real movie is more cringe than that, and seems to have both sides basically being incompetent fools and then ends before anything actually happens

Spoiler:

They make another death star
Exactly the same. Except bigger this time.
Same weakness

The trilogy has potential. I'm eager to see where it goes.

I got spoiled by one of those epic hidden spoiler images the day before I saw the film, but I still enjoyed it.

It felt like it more or less copied the basic plot of Episode 4, though?

The forced romance was shit, and I couldn't buy Finn, his character, or his motivations at all. It seems like they started trying to make some heartfelt scenes, but then thought the audience would get bored and stuffed a bunch of !!ACTION!! scenes and made it kind of frustrating to watch the first half of the film.

Ren is also kind of a pansy, but it might make an interesting variation from insurmountable object (like Vader was) to rival. I just hope he doesn't end up being a whiny fool like Anakin was.

At the very least it met my expectations of being at least better than the prequels.

Also, I found Phasma strangely attractive despite only seeing her on screen for no more than a couple of minutes???????

I saw it earlier today, and I loved it. An actual strong female lead, a POC supporting lead, no romance subplot (Rey and Finn are literally just friends and that's a wonderful thing), huge planets with laser cannons in them...

It does seem startlingly familiar to A New Hope, but I think JJ Abrams was just doing a ton of callbacks there. The "use the Force to grab a lightsaber from the ice" Empire Strikes Back wasn't lost on me. An important message in an astromech droid on a desert planet is delivered to a rebel base and, after a planet is destroyed by a superlaser, they use bombing runs to destroy the Death Star... okay, that rings a bell. I loved every minute of it, though. Han and Leia's relationship looked so much more convincing, seeing a fleet of X-Wings destroy a Death Star never gets old, and Kylo's saber actually has a crossguard (remember how Anakin lost an arm to Dooku, and Luke to Vader?).

Ikarrus wrote:Also, I found Phasma strangely attractive despite only seeing her on screen for no more than a couple of minutes???????

Wasn't she wearing a Stormtrooper Captain helmet for the whole movie? I'm pretty sure she's coming back in Episode 8, though (presumably surviving the trash compactor's inevitable Dianoga monster).

It was a good movie but I have to say:

Why YET ANOTHER DEATHSTAR PLOT.

episode 4 had a deathstar, episode 6 had a deathstar, episode 1 had the droid mothership that was basically the deathstar plot again

and now we have ANOTHER deathstar plot.

Deathstar Wars episode 7: Yet another deathstar

The Star Wars meme is building huge space stations with an easily-exploited Achilles Heel. I don't get why Phasma didn't refuse to drop the shield, though, or just call the First Order troopers to her location (and why does she have the shield codes in the first place?).

Han Solo dies.

Harrison Ford wanted Han to die at the end of Episode 6.

I also somewhat question Finns conversion, but I find it amusing that the events of this movie would never have happened if the Order provided their troops with psychological consuling.

HAN SOLO HAS TO KILL BOSTON OR NUKE HIS SON

really uninspiring plot tbh

Sure, the whole death laser thing was a little meh and it recycles a bit from A New Hope, but it set up what has the potential to be an amazing plot over the course of the trilogy. We have no idea just who Rey is or why she was abandoned, and Kylo Ren has real potential too. Conflicted, but not a total pussy like Anakin. As long as the next two movies aren't rehashes, it will be a great trilogy.

Steelpoint, it's rare for me to like your ass, but this was a good post.

"Its like poetry, it rhymes".

The plot of this movie is simple, just as the plot of episode 4 was simple. If you take it for what it is, a recreation of the original film but with new characters and a new setting, then you'll enjoy it I think.

Lord knows Star Wars does not do well with a complex plot, see the prequel trilogy.

Steelpoint wrote:thing

To be fair, we have no idea if Rey and Ren are actually related in any way (Luke doesn't seem like the sort who would dump off his daughter in the middle of a wasteland), and Finn and Poe both don't really have analogues in the original (Poe mirrors Han a little, but even that's a little iffy). It's very clear what Abrams was doing, and why he did it. After the clusterfuck that was the prequels, they had to tread carefully and test the waters. The Force Awakens is half original, half derivative, and it was done that way on purpose. I can see the trilogy diverging a lot more in the next two movies, and I'm very interested to see what happens next.

Well, I find it funny how Ren wants to match Vader. I mean, he couldn't immediately kill a non-force sensitive guy with a lightsaber (pretty sure he WASN'T force sensitive, but eh, maybe he is latent like Leia in IV and most of V and VI), and was beaten when fighting a person who was much, MUCH less trained (just like Luke fought Vader during ESB, but Vader had won pretty easily, assuming we was holding back most of the time).
And that's without discussing Kylos anger issues.

Neo death staro while a silly thing to have around having it just turn into a star again was pretty sloppy I was hoping for a supernova style ridiculous explosion. Tho it is nice the new death star actually killed stars.

Everything else was simple but solid really like Finn hope he gets more chances to wing it literally a space janitor ahaha. Rey was probably the weakest part, being a little too spaced out not quite prequels acting but eh.

Sad there aren't any real scenes of new ground vehicles wont somebody think of the lego merch? Hopefully if they are being this rote with pseudo originals thing there should be a big ground battle in the next one.

It was JUST what I expected, this rehash is nothing but a glib facsimile.

If Star Wars was all I had access to as a child in terms of sci-fi I probably would become one of those crazy fanboys, but thankfully I had access to anime from very early on in my youth years that my mental balance is very stable.

Seriously, if you have watched Akira, you'd realize just how sophisticated anime is and it blows away anything Star Wars would have to offer.

A lot of people mention Ghost In The Shell, which has just enough of sexuality in the mix to draw in the western audience I suppose but I must say that Ghost In The Shell is not even in my top 10 anime, not even close, that's just how deep the world of anime is.

Some anime is so disturbingly mature like Fractale that I wish it would challenge the system and submit it as a Drama category in the Oscars just to bitchslap the snotty Academy.

It's not just the level of maturity and sophistication anime has, it's also quite original, entertaining, and visually fantastic. I would regard anime as the highest form of cinema art-form.

But hey, me preaching about anime won't do you any good, you gotta go out and see it for yourself just how much you are missing.

The recent one I would recommend to check out is Sword Art Online which is light and easy to get into anime for the first time yet appreciate it as much, but if you want the heavy stuff right off the line check out Guilty Crown in which the plot is so complex and twisted that you'll need extra oxygen pumped into your brain in order to comprehend everything, and if you want amazing visuals and a gripping drama that also has awesome mecha battles Aldnoah.Zero is the shit.


Seriously, if you know anime like I do, Star Wars looks like it's something for little kids.

Eh you can find more fun sci fi in manga probably going into their books as well.

I mean if you want hard sci fi books have pretty much been your lifeline as far back as the genre existed. I mean the high praise these days for many movie adaptations is because they didn't to executive-retarded studio decisions like insisting a literal enemy mine be inserted into the movie adaptation of Enemy Mine to make sure poor dumb audiences didn't get confused.

Star Wars was a movie first though and almost all expansion of the lore past the simple shit in the original trilogy was met with catastrophic failure, writers for hire problem really same goes for most 40K and star trek novels. So I don't hold dumbing it down against them.

Movies have two and so hours to explain the plot, and when this movie is riding on top of a 4 Billion dollar acquisition (give or take) there's no way they're going to take a massive risk in the first Star Wars movie since the prequels.

Books have the benefit of having a lot more time to be able to flesh out their settings, characters and plot. As well as the benefit of being significantly cheaper to make than a movie.

Remember what happend LAST time they tried to cram lots of lore into one Star Wars movie?

Star Wars isn't a sci-fi, it's a western in space

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spoiler

john williams scored the film

Saw it today with my friends.
Enjoyed it.
Nuff' said really.

If you want good sci-fi, you read books. Television, film, anime, games, all fail to deliver the real hard or deep sci fi that defines the genre.

I saw this and The Hateful Eight back to back.

The Hateful Eight was much, much better.

Who the fuck is Snoke and where did he come from? Why is he suddenly a brand new big bad dude training Sith out of nowhere? What an amazing asspull, guys.
What the fuck happened to the entire Rebel army after Return of the Jedi? They have HUGE logistics they show off during the battle of Endor and suddenly it's just all fucking gone and scattered?
How the fuck does Finn just pick up a lightsaber and go toe to toe with a Sith? It's implied most folks would pick up a lightsaber and immediately cut their own fucking arm off if they tried to dick around with it.
How the fuck does Kylo just get BTFO so badly anyway?

It was fun to look at but if I actually pay any attention to the plot it's like a fucking joke.

Luke Skywalker:
+Son of the "chosen one" Anakin Skywalker
+Trains under Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda
+Takes two movies to learn how to force-pull, three movies to learn proper lightsaber combat and jedi mind tricks

Rey:
+Literal-fucking-who
+Has never met a Jedi she can remember, never trained a day in her life
+Learns mind tricks, saber combat, force-pull in the span of a few days without even trying
+Bests a Sith apprentice 1v1 the first time she ever turns a lightsaber on
+Ace space pilot ontop of that, despite only ever owning a scooter and living in squalor
+Can innately repair all sorts of mechanical problems on any space ship despite never having left her home planet before

It was pretty good.

An0n3 wrote:Luke Skywalker:
Rey:
+Literal-fucking-who
+Has never met a Jedi she can remember, never trained a day in her life
+Learns mind tricks, saber combat, force-pull in the span of a few days without even trying
+Bests a Sith apprentice 1v1 the first time she ever turns a lightsaber on
+Ace space pilot ontop of that, despite only ever owning a scooter and living in squalor
+Can innately repair all sorts of mechanical problems on any space ship despite never having left her home planet before

To play devil's advocate, her time as a scavenger would probably give her a lot of experience with mechanical things, the fight with Kylo Ren was basically 2 vs 1, plus we don't know how skilled Kylo is either. I'm reserving all judgement until they elaborate on these things in the next two movies. VII's job was to be a not-shit start to a trilogy and it succeeded on that front. After the prequels, they wanted something safe.

I saw this (In IMAX 3D woah wow!) and The Ridiculous Six back to back.

The Ridiculous Six was much much worse. I hate my friend, he has no taste I swear.

I want to know where these First Order goons came from and how they were able to weaponize a planet into a sort of Death-Star Shotgun. Also I'm pretty sure Rey is Luke's daughter or something close. That Ren dude was mind-probing her and he said something about islands and lo at the end we find Luke on some islands.

It was alright.

Kylo was an angsty faggot and of course plot armor kept him alive despite Chewie's bowcaster literally exploding people 5 feet into the air earlier

Takeguru wrote:It was alright.

Kylo was an angsty faggot and of course plot armor kept him alive despite Chewie's bowcaster literally exploding people 5 feet into the air earlier

Still better than Anakin. Anakin was just a little bitch. Kylo's conflicted feelings make sense at least.

I agree, I don't know what it is about kylo ren, but I really like him as villain. I like his angry outburts.

NikNakFlak wrote:I agree, I don't know what it is about kylo ren, but I really like him as villain. I like his angry outburts.

Spoiler:

My favorite part of the movie is where he cuts up the interrogation room and the two troopers see it and nope the fuck the other direction

He's shown to be incredibly insecure. He has to live up to Vader's name, but he isn't nearly as experienced or mature as he was. Kylo Ren is angsty and emotional like Anakin was, but he actually has an established reason to be.

The difference between Kyle and Annie is that Kyle was supposed to be an angsty faggot, Annie was only such due to shit script.

I saw this and liked the shit out of it

sure its derivative but Disney spent 4 billion on the franchise, they werent gonna risk not going back to basics

Kylo Ren was hilarious because he's barely trained, in joint second-command of an evil empire, prone to violent outbursts, way, way less competent than he thinks he is, reviled by his coworkers, has daddy issues (he resolved those at least), and gets his ass kicked by a nobody girl with a thirty-year-old lightsaber. And you can SEE the stress he's in the whole time.

As opposed to vader who was an implacable inscrutable force for two-and-a-half movies.


(Shame he didnt look more like Han though)

Why does r2d2 decide to wake up only after shit hits the fan and the deathstarXL gets nuked?

Like, it shut off when luke left, didn't turn on when they bought the map fragment, it just randomly decides to turn on after, for no apparent reason.
Also they mentioned luke was training 'a new generation of jedi' or whatever, which implies there being more then just Yolo Ren. Did he murder them all? Did Luke just fuck off with them? Did he just fuck off without them?

Still really enjoyable to watch, but if you think too hard there's a lot of just dumb shit in it that doesn't make a lot of sense.

R2 was reading and memorizing the script while asleep.

han solo's son is the villain two endings kill him or nuke the death star

Kraso wrote:han solo's son is the villain two endings kill him or nuke the death star

At least Han managed to get off the ride
From what I heard he wanted out already when they were doing prequels

lumipharon wrote:Why does r2d2 decide to wake up only after shit hits the fan and the deathstarXL gets nuked?

Like, it shut off when luke left, didn't turn on when they bought the map fragment, it just randomly decides to turn on after, for no apparent reason.
Also they mentioned luke was training 'a new generation of jedi' or whatever, which implies there being more then just Yolo Ren. Did he murder them all? Did Luke just fuck off with them? Did he just fuck off without them?

Still really enjoyable to watch, but if you think too hard there's a lot of just dumb shit in it that doesn't make a lot of sense.

We've got two more movies for that stuff. Can't expect them to answer everything in one movie.

An0n3 wrote:Luke Skywalker:
+Son of the "chosen one" Anakin Skywalker
+Trains under Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda
+Takes two movies to learn how to force-pull, three movies to learn proper lightsaber combat and jedi mind tricks

Implying Luke wasn't literally who in New Hope, who got embroiled in the plot only because his uncle decided to buy new robots that day.

Implying Luke trained with Obi Wan. He literally could block blaster shots with lightsaber when blind in the helmet on the second try.

Also unlike Luke, Rey was already proficient in martial arts with her scifi-quarterstaff. I thought that part was obvious.

My only real complaint I have towards the movie is how I feel Rey is too much of a mary sue. She just seems to either excel or do very well in almost any task given to her, from mind control, piloting a ship she's never flown before (I'm sure piloting a shitty car translates well into flying what is essentially a military jet), shooting things, her ability to fix anything and everything down to her being proficient in saber duels.

Even Luke had to take a whole one and a half movies just to start to get the hang of this force stuff.

However I do accept that someone who just suffered the most emotionally traumatic experience of their life, and was hit in the shoulder by essentially a sniper rifle, does explain to a good degree why the fight was not one sided.

(Then there's the planet "coincidently" cracking apart at the point to sperate Kylo and Rey as they were at the end of their fight).

Otherwise I felt this was a good movie, a good Star Wars movie. I felt like it was a natural continuation of the original Star Wars movies

That's actually a big thing with that extended fight.

These fuckers were using light sabres, yet no one lost any limbs or got split open - everyone just kept getting grazed and shit.

CosmicScientist wrote:guy who knows how to lightsaber

But does he really? We know he can't make a proper lightsaber, because his is wonky, and he wants Luke's one badly. Meanwhile Luke learned how to make one by himself in Return.

Also Rey lived basically alone in a desert for 20+ years, and was quite proficient at swinging her staff thing. And Kyle was intimidated by her ever since she resisted his mind-probe and wrecked him verbally.

I believe Kyle never even received saber training from Luke.

I really enjoyed it. The stormtroopers got shit done, the visual jokes were mostly pretty funny, BB-8 was excellent, and the lightsabers were different but I reckon better. The whole thing felt much more physical: probably the only flaw was that the final battle took place on a Round Battlestation (TM) and not, say, the First Order's flagship. Even that was better set up, though: we had a stormtrooper providing critical information, the weakness was decently shielded (bomber runs weren't doing shit until they got inside the building), and there were some meaningful losses (Han's sendoff was superb).

Kylo Ren and Rey were particularly good, Rey was a little bit too powerful but I imagine she'll trip up in the next film. Ren was perfect: he wants to be Vader, he totally isn't, and it's really nice to see a different attempt at that 'role', not just Vader-lite like KOTOR's Malak or whatever.

I get the criticism that it's similar to A New Hope but it's not quite as bad as Steelpoint's image. The comparison to ANH (well, at least the ones that call it 'shot for shot') never really account for the characters of Finn and Poe. Who are they supposed to be mirroring, exactly? Also:

Oh please, it's star wars
Who cares if they were trained?
//Midichlorans//
Insert dismissive armwave here

Just look at the flashy lights, choreography, and the fights