/tg/Station 13

I just hope that some european courts slam them for this and tell them to stop this shit or get banned from several countries, but we all know those are corrupt as fuck and give no shits anyway

Also, you can turn off the data gathering for windows 7 and 8 if you block those updates.
I downright refuse to move to windows 10 until I can get a modified version that removes all spyware. Fuck that shit

BTW for the people who want to upgrade but prefer a fresh install to an upgrade of your existing Windows version:

You need to perform the upgrade at least once. This lets Microsoft register your Windows 7/8 key as a Windows 10 key. Without going through this, your key won't be registered and you can't use it to validate Windows 10.

Once you've performed the upgrade this way once, you can go ahead and do a fresh install. Your key might not initially work when installing Windows 10, but you can install pre-emptively without a key and if the key is stored in your BIOS then Win10 will recognise it as valid once it's installed, else you can enter it after installing.

Just to reiterate the message in case anyone misread it (I did), this does not mean you're being forced to upgrade. Instead it means you've likely already downloaded Windows 10 itself.

NOT TRUE

STARTING TODAY WINDOWS 10 WILL UPDATE AND INSTALL AUTOMATICALLY

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly ... ee66ee75eb

The sad thing is there will never be an alternative OS to Windows that could effectively run all programs designed for Windows. Eventually 7 and 8 will go the way of XP and we'll be forced to upgrade regardless.

inb4 wine or some other shitty linux "emulator"

It flat out asks you how much of this shit you want to turn off when installing.
The government already has every means it could possibly want to monitor every aspect of your life if it feels like it.

Refusing to upgrade to Windows 10 does absolutely nothing to protect your privacy.
Enjoy your false sense of security. Maybe if you stopped downloading child porn or whatever the fuck you do that has you so afraid you wouldn't have to worry about this.

"But it's the principal of the thing"

Stop. You have a cellphone? You have bills and taxes? You're using a public ISP?
Then you've already sacrificed that principal for convenience anyway.

Well yeah of course the Government sees everything you do, but who wants Win 10 anyway?

Skorvold wrote:Well yeah of course the Government sees everything you do, but who wants Win 10 anyway?

I like it. It's not perfect. But the complaint that THE GUBBERMINT GON TAKE MY COMPUTER MACHINE AWAY FROM ME GOD DARN YOU BILLY GATES AND YOUR DEVIL SYSTEM as an argument against upgraded is just fucking so stupid it makes my head hurt.

I'm against it on the principle that they should at least pretend to still like their costumers to get business

Does it have the Win 8 UI in it too? I'll probably just get it when I build something new anyway.

I tried to run windows 10 on this laptop, it ran like crap and because the machine was old lenovo refused to put out key driver updates to ensure proper compatibility in windows 10. Meaning not only don't I want windows 10, but it also represents a clear and existential threat to my laptop.

Shit is RIDICULOUS.

the driver issues are a problem, by now most drivers have had an update to support Windows 10 properly but my wifi usb adapter just won't play nice and it doesn't look like Sitecom has any intention of updating it

Hey, listen. If you had disabled all the spyware beforehand, you wouldn't get updated to spyware 10.

https://www.digg.com/r/pcmasterrace/c ... _7_and_8x/

I upgraded to Win 10 more than half a year ago and haven't looked back. It's better than win 7 and win 8.1. All the cries and complaints I hear tend to be about minor things, which you can easily deal with. Most complaints really remind me of TGS' general outrage over every minor change ever.

Win 10 tells you what is collected and gives you the option to disable it - unlike google, amazon, apple, ebay, steam, ubisoft, ea or every retailer, app or ad provider out there. The upgrade is a good one. Unless you have a legitimate reason (old computer, weird driver, need for IE6), I recommend you just stop whining, get on with it and install the new version. Otherwise use GWX Control Panel to shut off the notification.

Yes, yes, I know Microsoft are pushy about Windows 10. And I'm sure that for many of you it's more about pride than any actual reason to not simply upgrade. You can be as outraged as you want and whine for as long as you find it enjoyable, but the much simpler solution to this issue is to upgrade and realize how irrelevant the complaints are.

As I've mentioned, however, there are some legitimate reasons to not upgrade. Those of you with legitimate reasons, yeah, outrage away, RAAA. etc.

TL;DR:
Just upgrade. It's FINE...
Also you should be personally offended by this post, even if you only read the TL;DR and quote random parts of it and say that microsoft needs to respect your choice or whatever, just like facebook and youtube when they update their design...

given how many of you super genius pc gamers are still running IE8/9 and have never patched your OS i don't care

LiamLime wrote:Just upgrade. It's FINE...

LiamLime wrote:I upgraded to Win 10 more than half a year ago and haven't looked back. It's better than win 7 and win 8.1.

DO ELABORATE.

gives you the option to disable it

No it doesn't.

It's a general incremental improvement on most fronts and is essentially a bit better across the board. It also runs much better than the previous versions. If you want a point-by-point breakdown of why it's better, take a look at something like http://www.zdnet.com/topic/windows-10/ or https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10

It gives you the option to disable everything people find problematic in the installation process, so long as you don't choose express install. It tells you what each option does, what it's used for, etc. It's actually surprisingly informative and honest. That's probably why there is outrage - because they actually said what buttons do, unlike the other providers, who hide this stuff in their EULA.

CosmicScientist wrote:Uh, my point on privacy was that since 7 and 8 have the same lack of it (I don't think I'd ever expect data not being gathered in literally any mass produced system that accesses online content?) the weight of privacy on the decision is moot.

Go krunk Anon, you're home.

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LiamLime wrote:It gives you the option to disable everything people find problematic

I like how you moved the goalpost from disabling collection of data, to disabling collection of data people find problematic. That's how you spot a shill.

>my windows 7 laptop has never shown me windows 10 as an available update, optional or otherwise
Feels good, but I suppose eventually I probably will change.

if you have automatic updating disabled then it won't.

lumipharon wrote:>my windows 7 laptop has never shown me windows 10 as an available update, optional or otherwise
Feels good, but I suppose eventually I probably will change.

Sounds like you got Windows 7 Enterprise, that version isn't eligible for the free upgrade because of its group licensing.

Home premium, and automatic updates are on.
Dunno?

Lumbermancer wrote:

LiamLime wrote:It gives you the option to disable everything people find problematic

I like how you moved the goalpost from disabling collection of data, to disabling collection of data people find problematic. That's how you spot a shill.

That's an unreasonable expectation, unfortunately. All software, including all versions of windows since Vista, collect telemetery data, that's how they know how the OS is used, what to work on, where it fails, etc. Nobody cares whether you wear boxers or briefs or what kind of porn you like. All they care about is how you use their software and what they could do to make it better.

On that front, going from Win 7 or Win 8.1 to Win 10 makes no difference.

MrStonedOne wrote:

Just to reiterate the message in case anyone misread it (I did), this does not mean you're being forced to upgrade. Instead it means you've likely already downloaded Windows 10 itself.

NOT TRUE

STARTING TODAY WINDOWS 10 WILL UPDATE AND INSTALL AUTOMATICALLY

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly ... ee66ee75eb

Someone sum this up for me, they're not letting me in because I can't be assed to enable all the ad scripts.

I'm on 7 now, and I intend to stay on 7 for the forseeable future because it's almost as good as XP was and XP is my OSfu

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP CONFIRMED BABY

I simply don't respond well to malware tactics and I don't want compatibility issues.

Also god damn, I always force it ask me before installing updates and this one was automatically checked.

Come on now, that's fucking dirty.

LiamLime wrote:That's an unreasonable expectation, unfortunately.

No, it's not unreasonable at all. You can disable data collection in W7, I even linked how. You can't do that in W10, especially on non-enterprise versions. Also is collection of ANY data on opt-in basis so unreasonable now? Is this the world we live in? Well it doesn't have to be.

Lumbermancer wrote:Also is collection of ANY data on opt-in basis so unreasonable now? Is this the world we live in?

As a professional game developer, formerly software developer, allow me to inform you: It is. Data collection is an omnipresent thing, and the added value it gives companies is so great, none of them will choose to ignore it.

Not even two hours after i started my shift, I got a client whos computer had it's hard drive soft wiped by the windows 10 automatic update.

Something happened, and it managed to corrupt the partition table, i had to restore it, some files were too fragmented to recover.

Far as i could tell, it must have been trying to update the ntfs table to the new format and error-ed out. SMART showed nothing out of shape on the hard drive.

Don't you think it's possible that your client performed a quick format during windows installation and blamed it on an error?

No, i could tell a windows 10 update took place, and it showed as an automatic update shutdown in the recovered event logs. I'm didn't get to be running this place by trusting the client to tell the whole story.

oh no not windows 10 windows 10 is the devil clearly the reincarnation of the antichrist aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhhhh

--sent from a win10 PC

I wonder if Microsoft is gonna cover the cost of the computers it's gonna brick or wipe by "forcing" the update.

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

stop being neanderthals

look at the real world

the government already has all the info they'll ever want on you and the probability of them giving a shit is so goddamn low

the advertisers already have all the info on what porn you watch and how often, google and firefox has been selling you out for years

i don't like that our host is being a cumbucket piece of fucking shit and deciding "HURR I'M GONNA TELL PEOPLE TO NOT UPGRADE"

also

provide some proof it's actually spyware

show me the individual spot where it grabs your browser history and sends your passwords to microsoft

oh wait it doesnt do that

because it's analytics like Google and Mozilla and Valve and every other company with a web page or application has been doing since the turn of the century

Goof literally what the fuck are you talking about?

This is about the fact that microsoft is making people ungrade without their consent by being sneaky gits.
There are plenty of reason to not want to upgrade now that don't have to do with 'muh privacy'.

lumipharon wrote:Goof literally what the fuck are you talking about?

This is about the fact that microsoft is making people ungrade without their consent by being sneaky gits.
There are plenty of reason to not want to upgrade now that don't have to do with 'muh privacy'.

Unless your computer is from 2003 and running on fumes with 2gb of ram it can handle windows 10. The "my hardware can't handle it!!!" shit is bogus. If you're on windows 7 or 8/8.1, the versions that are auto-updating, you can handle 10. if you're still so fucking afraid it'll break, google all your manufacturers for your computer parts and look for their guide on how to fix windows 10 issues IF THERE EVEN IS AN ISSUE and do whatever it says

iamgoofball wrote:

lumipharon wrote:Goof literally what the fuck are you talking about?

This is about the fact that microsoft is making people ungrade without their consent by being sneaky gits.
There are plenty of reason to not want to upgrade now that don't have to do with 'muh privacy'.

Unless your computer is from 2003 and running on fumes with 2gb of ram it can handle windows 10. The "my hardware can't handle it!!!" shit is bogus. If you're on windows 7 or 8/8.1, the versions that are auto-updating, you can handle 10. if you're still so fucking afraid it'll break, google all your manufacturers for your computer parts and look for their guide on how to fix windows 10 issues IF THERE EVEN IS AN ISSUE and do whatever it says

or just put the update on a separate harddrive or something idk

@Goof
Okay, that's all fine and good, but they're forcing an update that has a fairly high chance of rendering a lot of software incompatible and there's already people complaining about bricked drives because of it.

It's the fact they're doing this in a very sneaky way that has people up in arms, Microsoft being relatively transparent with their data collection is just more fuel to the fire.

See, Takeguru, you have a point, but they do as well. I heard their chief marketing officer interviewed, he basically said that they are aware that they are being pushy, but that alternatives have simply not worked. They are experimenting with how pushy they can be, how many people they can get to upgrade using various techniques, etc.

Link to interview (8:24 - 1:12:00)


@goofball: Denying that there are issues is silly. It's more about whether or not the issues are understood correctly, whether they are as severe as the click-hungry media report them, and whether they are in fact deal-breakers or just minor annoyances.
- Windows 10 offers a feature which syncs wifi passwords between devices and allows you to share them with contacts on skype, facebook, etc. It was misreported that this is on by default, when in fact it isn't. The issue was that one of the services was on, but it did nothing until explicit permission was given. This caused needless outrage.
- Cortana can be allowed to scan through your email, calendar, history, etc. to make the service better. You need to both explicitly enable Cortana and can tell what it can look through. For comparison, "Hey Google" already does this, without asking you.

iamgoofball wrote:

lumipharon wrote:Goof literally what the fuck are you talking about?

This is about the fact that microsoft is making people ungrade without their consent by being sneaky gits.
There are plenty of reason to not want to upgrade now that don't have to do with 'muh privacy'.

Unless your computer is from 2003 and running on fumes with 2gb of ram it can handle windows 10. The "my hardware can't handle it!!!" shit is bogus. If you're on windows 7 or 8/8.1, the versions that are auto-updating, you can handle 10. if you're still so fucking afraid it'll break, google all your manufacturers for your computer parts and look for their guide on how to fix windows 10 issues IF THERE EVEN IS AN ISSUE and do whatever it says

Literally.
What.
Are you talking about.

There are compatibility reasons. There are driver reasons. There are 'all my software is configured and working and I don't want to go through a lot of hassle to reconfigure it it for window 10 because there is zero practical reason curently to change" reasons.
There are also minimum requiremnt reasons for some people, but I never said that, and I don't think anyone else in the thread has said that either.

so what exactly do i need to install to stop the auto upgrade to 10? after its done, can i safely turn auto updates back on?

why is goofball such a shill

Deitus wrote:so what exactly do i need to install to stop the auto upgrade to 10? after its done, can i safely turn auto updates back on?

>Safely turn auto updates on
>Stop getting fucked over
Pick one

You're going to have to manually checkbox updates at the least, if you don't want them to surprise you by dumping another multi-gb download on you without telling, or to fuck up all your stuff unannounced
Also
You're not allowed to do that if you're at windows 10 already. They literally just take complete control of all your updating unless you block windows servers in your router. And if you do that it will just spam errors at you and occasionally lock up.
Also, they no longer have to tell you what the updates do.

Wikipedia wrote:The option to select various methods for downloading Windows Updates (or ignoring them completely) was removed. Windows 10 Pro and Enterprise users, if configured by the administrator, may defer updates, but only for a limited time.[93] Users consent to the automatic installation of all updates, features and drivers provided by the service, and to the automatic removal or changes to features being modified or no longer provided, under the end-user license agreement.[94] Additionally, changes made within individual updates are now withheld by Microsoft.[95][96]

oranges wrote:YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP CONFIRMED BABY

windows 10 made me switch. I'm on Linux Mint (Cinnamon "Rafaela") now, and it's nice. Friend described it as "More like Windows 7 than Windows 10 is like Windows 7", which is pretty apt. Installing and updating programs is easier than on Windows, and I haven't found myself in want of anything that Windows could provide that Linux can't--Been playing Dragon's Dogma through Wine for the past week just fine.


just fucking do it. make the switch


install gentoo

XSI wrote:

Deitus wrote:so what exactly do i need to install to stop the auto upgrade to 10? after its done, can i safely turn auto updates back on?

>Safely turn auto updates on
>Stop getting fucked over
Pick one

You're going to have to manually checkbox updates at the least, if you don't want them to surprise you by dumping another multi-gb download on you without telling, or to fuck up all your stuff unannounced
Also
You're not allowed to do that if you're at windows 10 already. They literally just take complete control of all your updating unless you block windows servers in your router. And if you do that it will just spam errors at you and occasionally lock up.
Also, they no longer have to tell you what the updates do.

Wikipedia wrote:The option to select various methods for downloading Windows Updates (or ignoring them completely) was removed. Windows 10 Pro and Enterprise users, if configured by the administrator, may defer updates, but only for a limited time.[93] Users consent to the automatic installation of all updates, features and drivers provided by the service, and to the automatic removal or changes to features being modified or no longer provided, under the end-user license agreement.[94] Additionally, changes made within individual updates are now withheld by Microsoft.[95][96]

im on 7 right now and i've got it set to never check for updates, not give recommended updates, and not give updates for microsoft products. what else do i need to do to make sure i dont get forced to switch to 10? is there any way other than the manually check updates option to keep my shit up to date without getting 10 shoved down my throat?

Pretty sure that's it for now. Unless they start pushing even harder

So far they're doing it purely through their updates (as far as I know)

Installing linux will stop the windows 10 auto upgrade.