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[cedarbridge]

Bottom post of the previous page:

It's amusing that the most disrespectful people support banning free speech for those who are disrespectful

Of course, the idea is that it only applies to people disrespectful against them. And not to them being disrespectful to anyone else

This is hatespeech. We're going to have to confiscate your Internet browser.

[onleavedontatme]

Of course, the idea is that it only applies to people disrespectful against them. And not to them being disrespectful to anyone else

Not always the case.

can i get a link to the detailed survey results

Literally in my first post

[XSI]

Of course, the idea is that it only applies to people disrespectful against them. And not to them being disrespectful to anyone else

Not always the case.

I more meant that as a dig that they do not respect other people's opinions by wanting them banned/censorred, but are perfectly fine with voicing their opinion that certain opinions shouldn't be allowed

[Super Aggro Crag]

People bitch everu day about trumps fascism on facebook not even realizing under an actual fascist regime theyd be in a mass grave right now for bitching online about it

[Takeguru]

Facist regimes actually end up pretty nice after they get done shooting

Restrictive, but nice enough

More nice than the millions dead and poor after an attempt to go to communism

Well, until you turn all of europe into a warzone and blame ze joos, anyway

[cedarbridge]

Facist regimes actually end up pretty nice after they get done shooting

Restrictive, but nice enough

More nice than the millions dead and poor after an attempt to go to communism

Well, until you turn all of europe into a warzone and blame ze joos, anyway

To be fair, they were blaming the jews before and after both of those wars.

[CitrusGender]

l m a o

[DemonFiren]

oranges pls

[CitrusGender]

oranges pls

ohhh
uhm

excuse me

[Malkevin]

I don't know why they're using non-sexual harassment examples when theres plenty of examples of MP diddling the kiddies.

[Anonmare]

I don't know why they're using non-sexual harassment examples when theres plenty of examples of MP diddling the kiddies.

You don't bite the hand that feeds you

[Screemonster]

Today's scottish Sun front page was about jesus beating the shit out of a jedi

Sun article: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/s ... up-dundee/

The slightly less tabloidy Independent's article on the same story: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 36206.html

And of course it happened in Dundee

[DemonFiren]

So that's what they mean by "bloody hilarious".

[Drynwyn]

Facist regimes actually end up pretty nice after they get done shooting

Restrictive, but nice enough

More nice than the millions dead and poor after an attempt to go to communism

Well, until you turn all of europe into a warzone and blame ze joos, anyway

Nice is not a meaningful category without freedom to choose what things you think are nice. Your "nice" is not the same as my "nice" is not the same as anyone else's "nice", nor are they meaningfully commensurable. The idea of there being a universally desirable state that it's O.K to restrictively impose on people through violence, without their consent, is not coherent.

[ShadowDimentio]

Facist regimes actually end up pretty nice after they get done shooting

Restrictive, but nice enough

More nice than the millions dead and poor after an attempt to go to communism

Well, until you turn all of europe into a warzone and blame ze joos, anyway

Haha yeah man fascist regimes are awesome, and I'm sure they'll tell you they're awesome, after they've shot everyone that won't.

[calzilla1]

Facist regimes actually end up pretty nice after they get done shooting

Restrictive, but nice enough

More nice than the millions dead and poor after an attempt to go to communism

Well, until you turn all of europe into a warzone and blame ze joos, anyway

Haha yeah man fascist regimes are awesome, and I'm sure they'll tell you they're awesome, after they've shot everyone that won't.

You're thinking about communism

[Drynwyn]

Any political ideology that centers around "finding the right people to make Glorious Leader" isn't going to work long-term and produce desirable results. That goes for statist communism, fascism, pretty much any authoritarian system really.

[Grazyn]

I am appalled by the number of people taking whatever these hollywood actors are saying at face value. I mean, they're actors. They lie for a living. Why would you ever trust an actor? Yes, politicians are sleazy and lie as well, but actors are on a whole other level. Let the police do its work and we'll know the truth soon enough, but for fucks sake, don't trust actors.

[Malkevin]

But, like, true fascism has never been tried, man.

[calzilla1]

But, like, true fascism has never been tried, man.

Not to be a stereotype, but that is true. There really hasnt been a fascist regime that has collapsed on its self without outside conflict.

[Jazaen]

I thought Germany created conflict to ignore their economic crash? Or was that created an economic crash by gearing up for the conflict...

Arguably, both! But primarily Hitler got Germany off the ground by doing both lots of civil works, borrowing money from other nations like crazy and releasing TONS of government bonds (Mefo bills). End result of that was, however, that by about 1940's German economy would have collapsed, primarily due to having to actually pay out these loans and the fact that almost total lack of unemployment (there was some, despite official metrics - they played with statistics, and said certain kinds of unemployment didn't qualify) was mostly due to lots of jobs supporting the military. Had no war started, growing costs of military support would have been quite problematic.

By declaring war in 1939, Hitler effectively nullified money owed to international bankers and created war-time economy, where expectations were quite a bit lower (we are in a war, stop complaining!). This also allowed them to either nullify or postpone payment of actual loans owned nationally, and, later, provided them with LOADS of what was pretty much slave labour.

Now, the actual economic ideas behind Mefo bills and certain other economic tricks are in many places sound - Mefo bills were a method of running a deficit greater than one permitted by the Versailles Treaty, and they bypassed interest rate limit imposed by the Treaty. Moreover, large influx of money into what was basically an economy in it's shambles did help. Additionally, as mentioned above, setting up the state-funded Reinhardt Program (I shit you not, that is a real name) helped employ unskilled workers greatly by having them work on waterways, autobahns and railroads. This was, logically, followed by rapid rise in production of cars and other ways of personal transportation, which helped hide expansions made to the army.

[Malkevin]

But, like, true fascism has never been tried, man.

Not to be a stereotype, but that is true. There really hasnt been a fascist regime that has collapsed on its self without outside conflict.

In case it wasn't obvious I was taking the piss out of all those hippy commies that claim true communism has never been tried when you point out that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Che, and the rest of the murderous bastards were worse than the nazis they yell about at every smash the fash rally.

[Jazaen]

"No True Scotsman" fallacy is universal across the political spectrum, and especially its fringes, and could be used as a proof of the horseshoe theory.

[XSI]

This just means we need to have all sides at the same time

National-communism with fascist leaders and an internal capitalist market only

[onleavedontatme]

[ShadowDimentio]

High quality journalism

[oranges]

RIP AND TEAR

YOU HAVE HUGE GUTS

[Anonmare]

If not, there will be now

[Screemonster]

the video is amazing

"here's all the mods his gun COULD have had! Okay he didn't have those mods but he COULD have had them!"

[Takeguru]

Gotta have the babyseeking assault bullets and the extended clips and the evil foregrip that enables full auto

[ShadowDimentio]

Marginally related, anyone that calls for extended mags to be banned should have their opinions on guns immediately revoked. It's a metal box with a spring, you can't ban that.

[imblyings]

so why can't we attach chainsaws to KAs for faster butchering

do chainsaws butcher faster?

[ShadowDimentio]

We need to make that a thing

[Malkevin]

LAPD is forming a special task force to investigate all the sex allegations in Hollywood.

I hear they're calling it Operation Jewtree.

[Takeguru]

There's a lot of stuff about guns that people with no knowledge clamor for banning

The only one I can sort of get behind is bumpfire stocks because that does enable pseudo full-giggle

Everything else though is pretty kosher

[cedarbridge]

There's a lot of stuff about guns that people with no knowledge clamor for banning

The only one I can sort of get behind is bumpfire stocks because that does enable pseudo full-giggle

Everything else though is pretty kosher

People don't realize you can do more damage with a 30-06 Springfield than an AR in most cases.

[Screemonster]

the only reason the AR-15 is a common gun in mass shootings compared to other guns is because it's a common gun in general compared to other guns

it's like the beat-up white ford transit of firearms

[A3STH3T1CS]

I wonder when the next terror attack is gonna be.

[ColonicAcid]

right fucking now

im going to commit some lyrical terrorism

[ColonicAcid]

soon
it wouldnt be terrorism if you knew it was going to happen

[A3STH3T1CS]

fucking got me man oof ouch sick lyrical professionalism bro *dies*

[Incomptinence]

Well in Australia the same sex marriage postal survey plebiscite came back 62% yes winning basically as expected.

Public had been majority in favour of queens in wedding dresses for basically a decade the whole thing was a monstrous waste of money.

Basically just a stalling measure because the hardline christians have the liberal national coalition by the balls.

Despite the seats most against it being held by labour. Vice versa on liberal seats.

Targeted political ads are magic.

[Screemonster]

aren't the libs more libertarian flavour of right-wing than they are conservative? "don't tell me who I can or can't marry" is kinda the position I'd expect

like you can't be pro small government and also pro government interference in private domestic arrangements

[Incomptinence]

Not libertarian no but meant to be the old definition of liberal yes.

Both of the two major parties are very centrist except on issues concerning their donor's desires and illegal immigration which is close to universally unpopular because the required ocean crossing to get here is pretty suicidal in the shitty boats people smugglers prefer.

For example the fiber to the node scheme for the national broadband network. Which is like labours scheme to put fibre optics everywhere but worse. It involves leaving the unmaintained copper in the last stretch of the adsl network and just plugging the fibre into it via a bunch of (obsolete) routers in a box. The copper was privatised in the Howard era and because they did it like idiots Telstra who owned to copper got away with not maintaining the asset simply because they had to allow competitors to use it, in return for this disservice they are buying these old government made phone lines back like they aren't almost a pile of copper oxide.

The copper is so shit the proposed speeds both by ISP deals and the governments shiftily costed deal of IT"S SLIGHTLY CHEAPER BUT 10% AS GOOD plan the copper from the node quickly loses the boost from being plugged into copper over a short distance so the only people living on top of these piles of shit get close to what was promised. Oh and the copper will need to be replaced with fibre anyway so take the opposing labour plan and add the cost of fucking around on top.

Why do all this dumb shit? Well like a corporate tax cut so miners pay diddly shit tax while gobbling subsidies they did it all for the donors. This sponsor was Rupert fucking Murdoch concerned proper internet would compete with his baby foxtell in the home country he treats like a latrine in the last election. Offering his vast number of news outlets putting their humanoid robots to work pushing the coalition in exchange for doing things assbackwards explicitly to hold the country back more than doing nothing.

Sorta man who makes you wish TV and print would die sooner.

[Drynwyn]

Sounds like labour here, their voters and brexit. I'm not sure if there is a party you can trust the intentions of.

You can be sure there isn't. Political parties are not, as institutions, capable of having good intentions.

Have a handy SMBC:

Spoiler:

[Incomptinence]

Revolting husk impersonating a person Ajit Pai plans to make its move in december along with the smoking ruins of the FCC and probably forbid state level net neutrality rules in the process.

[DemonFiren]

So Jamaica isn't happening.
Enabling Act soon.

[bandit]

Revolting husk impersonating a person Ajit Pai plans to make its move in december along with the smoking ruins of the FCC and probably forbid state level net neutrality rules in the process.

meanwhile the subset of donald trump supporters who use the internet are all "wtf I hate net neutrality now???" even though it's virtually guaranteed that the sites they visit would not be favored by ISPs unless the ISPs suddenly decide to make large purchases of hentai sites and imageboards

[ShadowDimentio]

Revolting husk impersonating a person Ajit Pai plans to make its move in december along with the smoking ruins of the FCC and probably forbid state level net neutrality rules in the process.

meanwhile the subset of donald trump supporters who use the internet are all "wtf I hate net neutrality now???" even though it's virtually guaranteed that the sites they visit would not be favored by ISPs unless the ISPs suddenly decide to make large purchases of hentai sites and imageboards

[x doubt]

[Grazyn]

Net neutrality is a regulation. Regulations are bad. The internet should be free of regulations. Do you want to regulate the internet?

I don't see the issue???

[Incomptinence]

Australia doesn't have net neutrality laws.

However Aus has the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission which is much stronger than any American consumer protections and Aus consumers actually have a choice because monopolising shit where you put cables (probably did a shit job too) isn't allowed. Like dodgy fucks fold at the name strong.

I whine about our NBN but if the coalition hadn't essentially thrown money down the crapper to stall proper fibre it would be fucking perfect like it is in New Zealand