/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:02 pm**

Bottom post of the previous page:

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:46 pm**

MooCow12 wrote:
cSeal wrote:Exploiting bugs is not a fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game, its exploiting fucking bugs.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: who gets his fun out of deliberately ruining peoples rounds by combing Shithub for exploits
The only time he "abused exploits" to "deliberately ruin people`s rounds" were his murderbone gimmicks, Antags are allowed to "ruin people`s rounds" on lrp so...

Demon heart + recall spell was intended behavior. aka fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game and if this is actually a contribution to why he was banned I should be perma`d aswell right now.

Wiz mindswap + suicide was in fact an exploit but how is it advantageous to regular wizard gimmicks? What sort of "edge" did it give him over just using other wizard powers or just summoning an apprentice to kill and dust whoever he mindswaps with?

The chef cqc exploit from what the note says, did not involve him ruining anyone`s round? He did it as a harmless prank and even opted to not use it against an antag that came for him during that round?

the final cope

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:03 pm**

Armhulen wrote:
MooCow12 wrote:
cSeal wrote:Exploiting bugs is not a fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game, its exploiting fucking bugs.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: who gets his fun out of deliberately ruining peoples rounds by combing Shithub for exploits
The only time he "abused exploits" to "deliberately ruin people`s rounds" were his murderbone gimmicks, Antags are allowed to "ruin people`s rounds" on lrp so...

Demon heart + recall spell was intended behavior. aka fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game and if this is actually a contribution to why he was banned I should be perma`d aswell right now.

Wiz mindswap + suicide was in fact an exploit but how is it advantageous to regular wizard gimmicks? What sort of "edge" did it give him over just using other wizard powers or just summoning an apprentice to kill and dust whoever he mindswaps with?

The chef cqc exploit from what the note says, did not involve him ruining anyone`s round? He did it as a harmless prank and even opted to not use it against an antag that came for him during that round?
the final cope

Is the post actually wrong, though? Or is calling it cope a cheap way to avoid addressing it?

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:05 pm**

Pandarsenic wrote:Is the post actually wrong, though? Or is calling it cope a cheap way to avoid addressing it?

'addressing it'

this is a peanut thread you peanut head

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:10 pm**

IkeTG wrote:
Pandarsenic wrote:Is the post actually wrong, though? Or is calling it cope a cheap way to avoid addressing it?
'addressing it' this is a peanut thread you peanut head

yes and? where else would we ask for this to be addressed?

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:16 pm**

the biggest crime that’s happened here is that he wasn’t permabanned back when he held the server hostage with lag

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:17 pm**

technokek wrote:yes and? where else would we ask for this to be addressed?

do i look like the free answers machine?

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:18 pm**

IkeTG wrote:
technokek wrote:yes and? where else would we ask for this to be addressed?
do i look like the free answers machine?

yes

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:18 pm**

get some glasses punk im the bad posts machine

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:20 pm**

IkeTG wrote:get some glasses punk im the bad posts machine

Can you say that again I couldn't hear you.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:02 am**

Pandarsenic wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
MooCow12 wrote:
cSeal wrote:Exploiting bugs is not a fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game, its exploiting fucking bugs.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: who gets his fun out of deliberately ruining peoples rounds by combing Shithub for exploits
The only time he "abused exploits" to "deliberately ruin people`s rounds" were his murderbone gimmicks, Antags are allowed to "ruin people`s rounds" on lrp so...

Demon heart + recall spell was intended behavior. aka fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game and if this is actually a contribution to why he was banned I should be perma`d aswell right now.

Wiz mindswap + suicide was in fact an exploit but how is it advantageous to regular wizard gimmicks? What sort of "edge" did it give him over just using other wizard powers or just summoning an apprentice to kill and dust whoever he mindswaps with?

The chef cqc exploit from what the note says, did not involve him ruining anyone`s round? He did it as a harmless prank and even opted to not use it against an antag that came for him during that round?
the final cope
Is the post actually wrong, though? Or is calling it cope a cheap way to avoid addressing it?

I would incline myself to think it's the latter.
My guess for this behavior is that some bad actors, by pointing and laughing at arguments in multiple ways (such as responding "cope"), attempt to artificially reduce their seriousness and relevance to their advantage. This usually happens when said bad actors are unable to come up with a rebuttal as to seem "cool", or "based", as one would say these days, and to give the illusion they have actually made an actual counterargument. This ends up all being an illusion however, which others might also entertain and add to for mutual convenience.

My advise is to simply ignore such posts and negative actors as a whole and continue adding constructive arguments to the discussion, from either side.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:04 am**

MooCow12 wrote: I should be perma`d aswell right now.

yes

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:47 am**

Agux909 wrote:
Pandarsenic wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
MooCow12 wrote:
cSeal wrote:Exploiting bugs is not a fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game, its exploiting fucking bugs.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: who gets his fun out of deliberately ruining peoples rounds by combing Shithub for exploits
The only time he "abused exploits" to "deliberately ruin people`s rounds" were his murderbone gimmicks, Antags are allowed to "ruin people`s rounds" on lrp so...

Demon heart + recall spell was intended behavior. aka fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game and if this is actually a contribution to why he was banned I should be perma`d aswell right now.

Wiz mindswap + suicide was in fact an exploit but how is it advantageous to regular wizard gimmicks? What sort of "edge" did it give him over just using other wizard powers or just summoning an apprentice to kill and dust whoever he mindswaps with?

The chef cqc exploit from what the note says, did not involve him ruining anyone`s round? He did it as a harmless prank and even opted to not use it against an antag that came for him during that round?
the final cope
Is the post actually wrong, though? Or is calling it cope a cheap way to avoid addressing it?
I would incline myself to think it's the latter.
My guess for this behavior is that some bad actors, by pointing and laughing at arguments in multiple ways (such as responding "cope"), attempt to artificially reduce their seriousness and relevance to their advantage. This usually happens when said bad actors are unable to come up with a rebuttal as to seem "cool", or "based", as one would say these days, and to give the illusion they have actually made an actual counterargument. This ends up all being an illusion however, which others might also entertain and add to for mutual convenience.

My advise is to simply ignore such posts and negative actors as a whole and continue adding constructive arguments to the discussion, from either side.

I think you're thinking too deeply about this tbh my boy arm just wanted to respond to the funny word wall with cope because he thinks its funny

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:47 am**

i actually should be permaed right now because i've code-dived to find out OP things and used them (though not for validhunting because i have more IQ than a melon seed)

i even told a maintainer admin about em lol, they were okay with it because im the only one that uses these things and if others used them for de balidehunt they'd just delete the entire feature, but now apparantly according to this ban, doing such a thing is bannable

i just love precedent being formed by shit bans

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:49 am**

cSeal wrote:
Agux909 wrote:
Pandarsenic wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
MooCow12 wrote:
cSeal wrote:Exploiting bugs is not a fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game, its exploiting fucking bugs.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: who gets his fun out of deliberately ruining peoples rounds by combing Shithub for exploits
The only time he "abused exploits" to "deliberately ruin people`s rounds" were his murderbone gimmicks, Antags are allowed to "ruin people`s rounds" on lrp so...

Demon heart + recall spell was intended behavior. aka fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game and if this is actually a contribution to why he was banned I should be perma`d aswell right now.

Wiz mindswap + suicide was in fact an exploit but how is it advantageous to regular wizard gimmicks? What sort of "edge" did it give him over just using other wizard powers or just summoning an apprentice to kill and dust whoever he mindswaps with?

The chef cqc exploit from what the note says, did not involve him ruining anyone`s round? He did it as a harmless prank and even opted to not use it against an antag that came for him during that round?
the final cope
Is the post actually wrong, though? Or is calling it cope a cheap way to avoid addressing it?
I would incline myself to think it's the latter.
My guess for this behavior is that some bad actors, by pointing and laughing at arguments in multiple ways (such as responding "cope"), attempt to artificially reduce their seriousness and relevance to their advantage. This usually happens when said bad actors are unable to come up with a rebuttal as to seem "cool", or "based", as one would say these days, and to give the illusion they have actually made an actual counterargument. This ends up all being an illusion however, which others might also entertain and add to for mutual convenience.

My advise is to simply ignore such posts and negative actors as a whole and continue adding constructive arguments to the discussion, from either side.
I think you're thinking too deeply about this tbh my boy arm just wanted to respond to the funny word wall with cope because he thinks its funny

the ACTUAL final cope

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:55 am**

iamgoofball wrote:
cSeal wrote: Exploiting bugs is not a fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game, its exploiting fucking bugs.
Can you please clarify what exploit ATH abused to deserve this perma?

Any and all of them in combination, since he was warned each time to knock it the fuck off, but particularly the whole holding the server hostage bit- that should've been a perma right then and there tbh.

iamgoofball wrote:
cSeal wrote:TLDR suck my nuts you bald bitch
Unprofessional behavior from a representative of the server. What is wrong with you?

I am very sorry for not maintaining professional composure goofball

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:00 am**

Armhulen wrote:
cSeal wrote:
Agux909 wrote:
Pandarsenic wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
MooCow12 wrote:
cSeal wrote:Exploiting bugs is not a fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game, its exploiting fucking bugs.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: who gets his fun out of deliberately ruining peoples rounds by combing Shithub for exploits
The only time he "abused exploits" to "deliberately ruin people`s rounds" were his murderbone gimmicks, Antags are allowed to "ruin people`s rounds" on lrp so...

Demon heart + recall spell was intended behavior. aka fun combination taking advantage of the sandbox nature of the game and if this is actually a contribution to why he was banned I should be perma`d aswell right now.

Wiz mindswap + suicide was in fact an exploit but how is it advantageous to regular wizard gimmicks? What sort of "edge" did it give him over just using other wizard powers or just summoning an apprentice to kill and dust whoever he mindswaps with?

The chef cqc exploit from what the note says, did not involve him ruining anyone`s round? He did it as a harmless prank and even opted to not use it against an antag that came for him during that round?
the final cope
Is the post actually wrong, though? Or is calling it cope a cheap way to avoid addressing it?
I would incline myself to think it's the latter.
My guess for this behavior is that some bad actors, by pointing and laughing at arguments in multiple ways (such as responding "cope"), attempt to artificially reduce their seriousness and relevance to their advantage. This usually happens when said bad actors are unable to come up with a rebuttal as to seem "cool", or "based", as one would say these days, and to give the illusion they have actually made an actual counterargument. This ends up all being an illusion however, which others might also entertain and add to for mutual convenience.

My advise is to simply ignore such posts and negative actors as a whole and continue adding constructive arguments to the discussion, from either side.
I think you're thinking too deeply about this tbh my boy arm just wanted to respond to the funny word wall with cope because he thinks its funny
the ACTUAL final cope

FUCK YOU ARM FUCK YOU ARM FUCK YOU ARM I HATE Y)OU SO MUCJ OHM Y GOD

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:01 am**

Epic triple post moment

MooCow12 wrote:
Antags are allowed to "ruin people`s rounds" on lrp so...

Theyre not allowed to abuse bugs though

Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals.

Also suck my dick exploiting a bug to make people utterly unrevivable isn't a gimmick you fucking moron's

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:32 am**

ok but it was funny

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:40 am**

cSeal wrote:exploiting a bug to make people utterly unrevivable isn't a gimmick you fucking moron's

You..do realize (like I have already pointed out) that wizards can very easily just click on a dead person with a soul stone to make them unreviveable.

And that what Athath was doing required alot more effort to pull off, but was at least unique.

Also one teeny tiny little factor.

The rule says no bug/exploit abuse

definition of abuse -Use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose

Although this leaves it up to interpretation as to what constitutes a bad effect or purpose. A lot of people (including me) dont see what athath did is as inherently bad and there is very clearly room for debate.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:45 am**

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:15 am**

IkeTG wrote:get some glasses punk im the bad posts machine

can i outsource writing my bad posts to you? itll save a lot of time

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:24 am**

MooCow12 wrote:
cSeal wrote:exploiting a bug to make people utterly unrevivable isn't a gimmick you fucking moron's
You..do realize (like I have already pointed out) that wizards can very easily just click on a dead person with a soul stone to make them unreviveable.

that. at the very least, keeps them in the round and able to play as a construct or shade, and there's something about dying to something that's working as intended vs dying to some shitty bug someone's exploiting that feels more... right to me i guess. at the end of the day, this is a multiplayer roleplaying game, and part of that is taking at least a small bit of consideration for other people- we're all here to have fun and all that. Using bugs to kill people just... feels kind of like its going against the spirit of the game. I don't think its unreasonable for admins to want people to cut it out

MooCow12 wrote:The rule says no bug/exploit abuse

definition of abuse -Use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose

Although this leaves it up to interpretation as to what constitutes a bad effect or purpose. A lot of people (including me) dont see what athath did is as inherently bad and there is very clearly room for debate.

Honestly i can kind of understand this point of view even if i dont agree. To me though, it does seem like a pretty text book case of abuse.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:26 am**

cSeal wrote:Also suck my dick exploiting a bug to make people utterly unrevivable isn't a gimmick you fucking moron's

If I got round-removed cause my murderer figured out some unique bug from code-diving, I wouldn't be mad. They deserve it for the work. Also if you're antag you definitely don't care about the ethics of abusing bugs. Being a coder shouldn't prevent you from playing optimally if you have knowledge other people don't.

At most you could make an argument they should have reported the bugs instead of using them, but unless there's some secret coder ruleset I don't see what's forcing them to.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:38 am**

sinfulbliss wrote:Also if you're antag you definitely don't care about the ethics of abusing bugs.

All of a sudden bugs are now called "anomalies" in ic and using them is outlawed by nanotrasen.

Ya I dont think that is currently the case but it sounds funny.

Or did you mean antags not caring about abusing bugs as in Athath was an antag in real life?

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:45 am**

MooCow12 wrote:Or did you mean antags not caring about abusing bugs as in Athath was an antag in real life?

I was actually gonna add that the antag wouldn't even know a bug is a "bug" because they're a character and not a human, but that sounded like a weird argument. For the same reason you could say you're roleplaying a murderer as nonantag, can't hear bwoinks because it's OOC, etc...

I would say bugs are just part of the game until they're fixed. It seems weird to outlaw them for particular players, although I can see why coders would be pissed at him for using them, the escalation to a permaban is bizarre.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:50 am**

This is making me think some interesting things imma make another thread

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:51 am**

oh no...

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:52 am**

I can concretely assure you that ATHATH is not an asset to our codebase and is in fact just annoying, if he actually fixed all the bugs he exploits instead of abusing them on master until someone else finds the time to fix them he would be useful and an asset.

All he is to us is an asshole because he obviously has the talent to do it but rarely bothers.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:56 am**

I really don't know ATHATH or much about them, but I think this ban is beyond ridiculous in its application. There should have been no ban at all, let alone a perma one.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:58 am**

sinfulbliss wrote:Also if you're antag you definitely don't care about the ethics of abusing bugs.

Rules wrote:4. Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals ...

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:04 am**

Subject character limit cut me off and i lost the inspiration BUT I THINK THERES AN INTERESTING DEBATE TO BE HAD ABOUT THE MECHANICAL AND SOCIETAL ASPECTS OF THE GAME AND THE IDEAL BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO (IF ONE EXISTS) AND WHETHER THERE CAN EXIST A HEALTHY PLAYSTYLE THAT FEATURES A MASSIVE FOCUS ON AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE MECHANICAL

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:05 am**

dragomagol wrote:
sinfulbliss wrote:Also if you're antag you definitely don't care about the ethics of abusing bugs.

Rules wrote:4. Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals ...

Being wrong never stopped me before. In fact now that you've proven me wrong I'll point out that this rule technically prevents an antag from using comms. "Short of metagaming/comms" leaves vague whether antags are, in fact, allowed to use "comms" or not.

G-gottem..

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:06 am**

sinfulbliss wrote:
dragomagol wrote:
sinfulbliss wrote:Also if you're antag you definitely don't care about the ethics of abusing bugs.

Rules wrote:4. Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals ...
Being wrong never stopped me before. In fact now that you've proven me wrong I'll point out that this rule technically prevents an antag from using comms. "Short of metagaming/comms" leaves vague whether antags are, in fact, allowed to use "comms" or not.

G-gottem..

I've been got....

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:10 am**

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Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:13 am**

ITT: "I don't know who this is or their history but I don't get why they were banned????"

ath is so utterly unpleasant to deal with he severely soured my view on the actual game, is the biggest reason I stopped making gameplay changes, and soured my entire outlook on open source game development.

It's like if you showed up to play Yu-Gi-Oh with someone and then they threw sand in your face and threw your deck across the room and then argued that technically the rules don't say you can't do that.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:29 am**

actioninja wrote:It's like if you showed up to play Yu-Gi-Oh with someone and then they threw sand in your face and threw your deck across the room and then argued that technically the rules don't say you can't do that.

I would argue it's more like they played a trap card that said "Once per turn, during your Standy Phase: Roll a six-sided die. If the result is below 3, discard your deck. If the result is above 3, throw sand in your opponent's face and discard their deck. If the result is 3, discard both decks and never play Yugioh again" and they rolled a 3.

Also if they were truly that hard to work with I feel for you man, we peanut posters don't know the extent of their interactions with coderbus though so we're just going off of the ban itself and what they did.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:06 am**

oranges wrote:I can concretely assure you that ATHATH is not an asset to our codebase and is in fact just annoying, if he actually fixed all the bugs he exploits instead of abusing them on master until someone else finds the time to fix them he would be useful and an asset.

All he is to us is an asshole because he obviously has the talent to do it but rarely bothers.

the moral of the story: be an asset to c*ders or be banned?

why is this ban even a discussion

you have a guy who is breaking zero (0) rules and he just eats a permaban on a shitty fucking EVENT because jannies mad
rule 1 was always intentionally ominous so admins could ban anyone they don’t like, I’ve always said that and its completely shocking that this ended up being true in nearly every situation when it was used, including this one. Is ATH a penis? It’s up to debate, but I would argue he is not.

ath may be a complete bitch, but so are shitcoders who don’t test their garbage PRs and who we should blame for the situation happening in the first place. maybe start permabanning them from repo if they can’t handle breaking shit every nanosecond. they would certainly deserve one more than ath ever would

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:32 am**

I am behind every permaban obviously
the coder illuminati strikes at will

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:32 am**

I learned how to ride a bicycle today.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:55 am**

this has been posted on digg, prepare to be judged by big chungus planet 69 residents

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:00 am**

It's gotten out of hand. Too many people are incapable of making reasonable complaints about admin events and it's bordering on shitting up the entire process and complaint forum by bogging it down with pointless complaints that inevitably cannot lead to anything.

Admin events are not something you file an official complaint about. They weren't before, and I'm not sure how it started, but they shouldn't be now either. From now on they are getting trashed. I'm not saying bad events aren't a thing, but they are never really going to result in problems.

I'm sure this is going to upset plenty of people but you have the official event workshop thread here which would value your criticism and ideas, admin feedback for actual problems and singulo for bitching.

The majority of complaints have been almost entirely emotional, based on one shitty round. Normally people get pissed at RNG for killing them but if an admin touches a button suddenly there is a solid tangible person to be fucking furious at. A round is a couple hours long at most. If you can't handle not having spessmans exactly how you like it for two hours you need to chill out.

It's just really depressing when the admin complaint forum is nothing but bitching about events and all of the valid complaints float around on singulo forever unresolved because people are either paranoid that they will get black bagged by the admin conspiracy and stuffed in the back of the van or just prefer a place where their facts don't need verification.

Admins will still be held accountable for events, they just aren't going to be immediately deadminned for them like an admin complaint would call for. Admins are encouraged to push buttons. The game gets stale as fuck without them. There's a reason Bagil is desperate for admins all the time.

TL;DR: If you have a problem with an event, it no longer goes here. Use Event Workshop for critique and ideas, use admin feedback to talk about a specific admin's events, and use singulo to bitch. Remember you can also talk to any admin by adminhelping, finding an admin you trust and PMing them or in #supportbus.

Feel free to ask questions but this thread is obviously going to be heavily moderated.

Spoiler:

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:11 am**

cSeal wrote:
MooCow12 wrote:
cSeal wrote:
MooCow12 wrote:Athath tends to be at odds with the manuelmin/codermin elite
Opinion immediately discarded
Point proven.
and what was your point exactly? something something coders and manuelmins ruining muh lrp by banning people who do shit like threaten to fucking crash the server? you are deranged

Perhaps I wasn't exactly clear with my description of note 3. I wasn't threatening to crash the server, I was threatening to "stop time" for a handful of seconds, and if I had believed that there was a chance that I could accidentally crash the server with that bug, I'd have stayed far away from it. Whether or not I was right in that assumption, I can't say. The nature of the bug I was using would (to my understanding at the time) basically bring gameplay to a standstill for approximately 5 seconds as the library's entire book catalogue was loaded, then bring the level of lag back to normal immediately after that.

I would also like to reiterate that I've already served my time for that ban, which was dug up from 2019.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:38 am**

if you dont want people exploiting your code then you should code better

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:40 am**

actioninja wrote:ITT: "I don't know who this is or their history but I don't get why they were banned????"

ath is so utterly unpleasant to deal with he severely soured my view on the actual game, is the biggest reason I stopped making gameplay changes, and soured my entire outlook on open source game development.

It's like if you showed up to play Yu-Gi-Oh with someone and then they threw sand in your face and threw your deck across the room and then argued that technically the rules don't say you can't do that.

Well Yu-Gi-Oh is about winning and he clearly won doing that, how is he to be blamed for wanting to win?

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:40 am**

avoid talking to anyone, run around wordlessly collecting the most powerful items in the game so if anyone tries to kill you you can easily kill them.

realise you're doing this over and over again for no real gain or benefit.

Become burn out, cynical and bitter, stop playing, start forum posting.

Disappear for three years. Return, find a new server that is RP, go on it, realise you can't actually roleplay, spend the rest of your life observing while learning to code so you can contribute in some meaningful way to remain part of the community.

Die

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:43 am**

Fishimun wrote:this has been posted on digg, prepare to be judged by big chungus planet 69 residents

I made that thread

and singulo for bitching

I am sorry to tell you but singulo is gone

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:46 am**

Fikou wrote:avoid talking to anyone, run around wordlessly collecting the most powerful items in the game so if anyone tries to kill you you can easily kill them.

realise you're doing this over and over again for no real gain or benefit.

Become burn out, cynical and bitter, stop playing, start forum posting.

Disappear for three years. Return, find a new server that is RP, go on it, realise you can't actually roleplay, spend the rest of your life observing while learning to code so you can contribute in some meaningful way to remain part of the community.

Die

Instructions unclear, dick caught in ceiling fan.
Stuck at "die" phase.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:46 am**

This ban is just sad and a bit silly, not much else to say about it.

If you don't want code to be read don't make it open source.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:50 am**

actioninja wrote:ITT: "I don't know who this is or their history but I don't get why they were banned????"

ath is so utterly unpleasant to deal with he severely soured my view on the actual game, is the biggest reason I stopped making gameplay changes, and soured my entire outlook on open source game development.

It's like if you showed up to play Yu-Gi-Oh with someone and then they threw sand in your face and threw your deck across the room and then argued that technically the rules don't say you can't do that.

To be perfectly honest with you, you pretty much soured your own outlook by getting angry at everyone who disagreed with your terrible changes.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:56 am**

someone came to my front door and said "GUPTA PLEASE SHArE YOUR OPINION OR IM GOING TO KILL YOU THEN MYsELF" with a doobie in his mouth and a Californian ticket in the other, with a nametag scribbled Mr. St~ messy handwriting couldn't read it. So I will, man is cool very based for sharing these things then bug reporting and keeping good ones for himself(It's like finding exploits in the stock market reporting some of them, and keeping the good ones for yourself(also applies to the law)ya know?). good man 10/10 please unban will buy handsim for ALL of tg who wants it.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:06 am**

Whoneedspacee wrote:
actioninja wrote:ITT: "I don't know who this is or their history but I don't get why they were banned????"

ath is so utterly unpleasant to deal with he severely soured my view on the actual game, is the biggest reason I stopped making gameplay changes, and soured my entire outlook on open source game development.

It's like if you showed up to play Yu-Gi-Oh with someone and then they threw sand in your face and threw your deck across the room and then argued that technically the rules don't say you can't do that.
To be perfectly honest with you, you pretty much soured your own outlook by getting angry at everyone who disagreed with your terrible changes.

love ya space but this take sucks

/tg/Station 13

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