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Weirdest Ban Appeal I've ever seen, also what a harsh admin jeez bro. Sybil moment.Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:29 am Well I think I speak for a lot of the gallery when I say "wow that ended up even worse under the surface than I expected"
Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:03 am this shocks me less than it ideally should and that makes me sad
Oh, fair. Fuck.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:48 pm"fat chance" refers to the part i bolded and underlined.
It does help, made me crack a smile.Mothblocks wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:44 pm if it helps, i would've copied and pasted that if it were the stance i actually wanted to take
An alternative phrasing would be deadminned. They've been demoted out of adminship.cybersaber101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:27 am guess it concluded, neat. Although saying "demoted" is strange, demoted to what exactly? But they've been demoted to a player looking in discord.
This is a mature thing to saysinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:11 am Also I acknowledge saying this is effectively smuggling in an opportunity to say I called it.
Happens with every threadShadowflame909 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:10 am why did the first post on page 1 glitch out into the first post on page 3
MOOOOOOOT
In my experience, headmins have always been quite fast to crack down on any genuine violation of the admin code of conduct. Those rules are not hard to follow, since they're 90% "Don't give yourself any benefits and don't touch anything you're involved with IC"sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:11 am I would like to express that I am resisting the urge to say "I called it" since that's really immature and petty. Also I acknowledge saying this is effectively smuggling in an opportunity to say I called it.
I feel bad for Admiral but it is nice to see headmins are no-nonsense about this kind of stuff. What's more is they were transparent about what happened internally, effectively delivering on their promise of making things more transparent. Stingily shuffling a reputation point over to Mothblocks for how they handled it.
“involved himself with a matter that had directly involved him as a player”To put a sensitive matter short, we had discovered that Admiral_awesome130 had, partially unbeknownst to Jortymorty, involved himself with a matter that had directly involved him as a player, leading to the admin placing a secret note on Jortymorty, which would've been impossible for them to appeal. Because of this, we do not feel comfortable leaving the residue on the player. This investigation lead to the admin being removed for misconduct.
One example would be something like getting killed by a player, turning admin back on, and then taking a ticket involving that same player.cacogen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:47 am“involved himself with a matter that had directly involved him as a player”To put a sensitive matter short, we had discovered that Admiral_awesome130 had, partially unbeknownst to Jortymorty, involved himself with a matter that had directly involved him as a player, leading to the admin placing a secret note on Jortymorty, which would've been impossible for them to appeal. Because of this, we do not feel comfortable leaving the residue on the player. This investigation lead to the admin being removed for misconduct.
what the fuck does this mean
02:39:30 SAY Jortymorty/(Gene Parmesean) (DEAD) "Are you that dumb you don't think that makes you look like a deadmin candidate?" (139, 105, 2) Starboard Primary HallwayTimberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:49 amAn alternative phrasing would be deadminned. They've been demoted out of adminship.cybersaber101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:27 am guess it concluded, neat. Although saying "demoted" is strange, demoted to what exactly? But they've been demoted to a player looking in discord.
You can’t admin complaint someone who is not an admin (they are no longer an admin).jortsandshirts wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:11 am
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I don't know if I'm supposed to still do an admin complaint for a reason or anything.
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Can i PM you if i need to make an appeal? Your autism is of a most sublime strain, and i want it on my side when the time comesjortsandshirts wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:11 am02:39:30 SAY Jortymorty/(Gene Parmesean) (DEAD) "Are you that dumb you don't think that makes you look like a deadmin candidate?" (139, 105, 2) Starboard Primary HallwayTimberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:49 amAn alternative phrasing would be deadminned. They've been demoted out of adminship.cybersaber101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:27 am guess it concluded, neat. Although saying "demoted" is strange, demoted to what exactly? But they've been demoted to a player looking in discord.
02:41:18 ADMIN DSAY: Admiral_awesome130/(Stephanie Holmes) "I'm an admin because I've been playing on this server since like 2012 and got a dumb ban from like... 2013? And then nothing else on my record since."
I mean, if anybody can claim they called it..
That's all the smug I will throw at this. I don't know if I'm supposed to still do an admin complaint for a reason or anything. I assume it's ok to post in this peanut now that the thing is resolved?
Thanks for the support to those who gave it. I appreciate being given the benefit of the doubt by the majority of you. I feel bad this even had to be a headache for the headmins.
I'm not sure if there's a statute on appealing bans and notes but I would like to add that there was another person in this thread, Bobama who got shat on by Admiral in a somewhat similar fashion with the completely overboard ban
followed by a still unjust ban but now you have to be grateful for it. I think if you've had this admin note/ban you then you should look to see if it's worth appealing for sure. Don't need to be unjustly judged by his taint.
I once saw an episode of Criminal Minds so I'm an expert in this stuff. He's repeated the same behavior of a sociopath acting with malevolence feigning benevolence. I'm not trying to cause further headaches but if you see a boss, spouse, admin, friend or anybody else being shitty to you but turning it around that you should be grateful they didn't do worse or claim they were going easy on you by being a shitty shitterson when you didn't have it coming in the first place and now you've made it worse then that's something you need to shut that down. If you don't then they'll just keep doing it to the next person. Quit the job or get the boss shitcanned, leave that spouse and don't look back, fight for your right to party, defriend that friend or smack that stranger that's doing it in the mouth. Don't let them keep getting their jollies like such.
Thanks for the peanuts, I appreciate you
you WILL read the essayMothblocks wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:49 pm If every appeal I see gets 5,000 words I'm going to get worse judgement
I know you're just partially joking but I feel like had I not shown that I was more than the idiot who runs around the station yelling "COOK MAN BAD ATE MY CABBIGE" then who knows how this would have went? I mean sure if I trimmed the vulgarity the posts would basically be "Dear No-Longer-an-Adminiral, No u".Mothblocks wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:49 pm If every appeal I see gets 5,000 words I'm going to get worse judgement
jortsandshirts wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:33 amI know you're just partially joking but I feel like had I not shown that I was more than the idiot who runs around the station yelling "COOK MAN BAD ATE MY CABBIGE" then who knows how this would have went? I mean sure if I trimmed the vulgarity the posts would basically be "Dear No-Longer-an-Adminiral, No u".Mothblocks wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:49 pm If every appeal I see gets 5,000 words I'm going to get worse judgement
Their replies in the ban appeal itself sucked butt through a silly straw. Hell, I was even downright apologetic for even appealing in the first place. What bothered me more than my actual personal bans was how they lost the damned plot to this game. How does the idea of a station of incompetents just trying to exist and carry out their various duties escape someone who has been playing since 2012? Seems silly.
I've seen this sort of thing from Stickymayhem as well. Is Machiavellianism a predictor for becoming an admin?Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:12 pm I once saw an episode of Criminal Minds so I'm an expert in this stuff. He's repeated the same behavior of a sociopath acting with malevolence feigning benevolence.
In the topic of stepping on. There's times when it's alright to fold them as Kenny Rogers says and then there's a time when you ought not to. I said it prior if you don't for yourself then do it for someone else because certain types of behavior are easy to spot that are purely predatory. Knowing Bobama had a similar experience gives me an idea that this ain't just an aberration but that there's spacemen in this game who he Admiral_fuckstick also went after. He said it himself, hell bragged about it when threatening me. I wonder who that is and if they got justice?Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:42 amjortsandshirts wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:33 amI know you're just partially joking but I feel like had I not shown that I was more than the idiot who runs around the station yelling "COOK MAN BAD ATE MY CABBIGE" then who knows how this would have went? I mean sure if I trimmed the vulgarity the posts would basically be "Dear No-Longer-an-Adminiral, No u".Mothblocks wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:49 pm If every appeal I see gets 5,000 words I'm going to get worse judgement
Their replies in the ban appeal itself sucked butt through a silly straw. Hell, I was even downright apologetic for even appealing in the first place. What bothered me more than my actual personal bans was how they lost the damned plot to this game. How does the idea of a station of incompetents just trying to exist and carry out their various duties escape someone who has been playing since 2012? Seems silly.
For real though. If you didn't put effort in could you 100% say things would turn out the same way.
While one side of me says it's just a spaceman game literally who cares, the other says don't put yourself in a position to get stepped on.
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:43 amI agree with you on a lot of stuff but I tend to prefer if, short of outright malicious troublemaking, players are free to implement their bad ideas and then try to figure out solutions when these ideas are disastrous in utterly predictable ways or to just stare in silent awe as they go wrong in dramatically unpredictable ways. Even on HRP servers, people are expected to (within reason) have exceptionally bad ideas that results in *BWOINK* "Okay hindsight is 20/20 but the idea seemed fine at the time." It is good, proper, and normal for Nanotrasen's Finest to engage in OSHA noncompliance nightmares driven by curiosity, vanity, one-upmanship, ignorance or outright stupidity, greed, envy, petty vengefulness, etc. - to demonstrate what can only be described as a dwarven level of disregard for reasons that can only really be described as "I didn't think that far ahead."
No, they're undeniably acting like such. I mean the interaction is not IC it's communication between two human beings in regards to a 2D Spaceman game yeah, but we're not 2D spacemen when it's outside of that. He's not roleplaying when he's sending bwoinks, are you slow? If someone acts with maliciousness and expects you to be grateful for it while outlining it in a threat that they could do much worse and that seems normal to you then perhaps it's time you stepped away from the PC. You do know human beings are not supposed to act like that, yeah? Given that Bobama piped up and it turned out to be nearly the same MO I'd say that yeah, that qualifies.
While I agree with this statement, to be completely fair, it's very easy to assume an admin is a bad person when you've only ever interacted with them at their worst.wesoda25 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:16 pm Dude being a bad admin doesn’t make you a bad person in the same way that breaking the rules/being a shitter doesn’t. If you believe they do then you have attached far too much weight to this silly game and should do a better job at holding it at arms length.
Was gaslighting me about the content of my own post supposed to be a demonstration of Machiavellianism?cacogen wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 2:17 pmI've seen this sort of thing from Stickymayhem as well. Is Machiavellianism a predictor for becoming an admin?Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:12 pm I once saw an episode of Criminal Minds so I'm an expert in this stuff. He's repeated the same behavior of a sociopath acting with malevolence feigning benevolence.
Vote for me as headmin and I'll explain Machiavellianism to youAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:48 pmWas gaslighting me about the content of my own post supposed to be a demonstration of Machiavellianism?cacogen wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 2:17 pmI've seen this sort of thing from Stickymayhem as well. Is Machiavellianism a predictor for becoming an admin?Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:12 pm I once saw an episode of Criminal Minds so I'm an expert in this stuff. He's repeated the same behavior of a sociopath acting with malevolence feigning benevolence.
I dunno dude i already read 1984. I'm pretty sure i know my stuff.Stickymayhem wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:03 pmVote for me as headmin and I'll explain Machiavellianism to youAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:48 pmWas gaslighting me about the content of my own post supposed to be a demonstration of Machiavellianism?cacogen wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 2:17 pmI've seen this sort of thing from Stickymayhem as well. Is Machiavellianism a predictor for becoming an admin?Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:12 pm I once saw an episode of Criminal Minds so I'm an expert in this stuff. He's repeated the same behavior of a sociopath acting with malevolence feigning benevolence.
That’s a reason to dislike an admin, not call them a sociopath or predator.Tearling wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:43 pmWhile I agree with this statement, to be completely fair, it's very easy to assume an admin is a bad person when you've only ever interacted with them at their worst.wesoda25 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:16 pm Dude being a bad admin doesn’t make you a bad person in the same way that breaking the rules/being a shitter doesn’t. If you believe they do then you have attached far too much weight to this silly game and should do a better job at holding it at arms length.
Unless you actually spend some time in the community outside of the game/roleplay itself there's a good chance you're only ever going to talk to admins when they're playing the game as well (Which means you probably won't even recognize them) or when they're bwoinking you, and if you're getting bwoinked you're probably not going to see them in a good light.
You're right that none of the bad admins are bad people though, it's just this player/admin perspective that gives the illusion they are. Except for Sticky, Sticky is a certified villain.
Bad take
wesoda25 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:31 pmThat’s a reason to dislike an admin, not call them a sociopath or predator.Tearling wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:43 pmWhile I agree with this statement, to be completely fair, it's very easy to assume an admin is a bad person when you've only ever interacted with them at their worst.wesoda25 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:16 pm Dude being a bad admin doesn’t make you a bad person in the same way that breaking the rules/being a shitter doesn’t. If you believe they do then you have attached far too much weight to this silly game and should do a better job at holding it at arms length.
Unless you actually spend some time in the community outside of the game/roleplay itself there's a good chance you're only ever going to talk to admins when they're playing the game as well (Which means you probably won't even recognize them) or when they're bwoinking you, and if you're getting bwoinked you're probably not going to see them in a good light.
You're right that none of the bad admins are bad people though, it's just this player/admin perspective that gives the illusion they are. Except for Sticky, Sticky is a certified villain.
The behavior shoe fits then it must be worn. I mean myself and another spaceman having similar issues with this non-admin? Seems a bit crazy they're so coincidental with motif they were going for I guess. Again, it's not as if they were roleplaying or something. Would you still disagree if this was a phone call and they did it? I like how you're dumb in thinking because it's text communication that's attached to a game but not actively part of what the game is gets a pass. If an admin was stalking the children that wander into this community and gave them a bwoink in game to flirt with them then that's not bad behavior? To give your head a shake remove it from your ass. You're wrong in that the means negate the reality.Your posts look like something a person suffering from histrionic personality disorder would write. I recommend immediate hardcore CBT.jortsandshirts wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:58 pmIn the topic of stepping on. There's times when it's alright to fold them as Kenny Rogers says and then there's a time when you ought not to. I said it prior if you don't for yourself then do it for someone else because certain types of behavior are easy to spot that are purely predatory. Knowing Bobama had a similar experience gives me an idea that this ain't just an aberration but that there's spacemen in this game who he Admiral_fuckstick also went after. He said it himself, hell bragged about it when threatening me. I wonder who that is and if they got justice?Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:42 amjortsandshirts wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:33 amI know you're just partially joking but I feel like had I not shown that I was more than the idiot who runs around the station yelling "COOK MAN BAD ATE MY CABBIGE" then who knows how this would have went? I mean sure if I trimmed the vulgarity the posts would basically be "Dear No-Longer-an-Adminiral, No u".Mothblocks wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:49 pm If every appeal I see gets 5,000 words I'm going to get worse judgement
Their replies in the ban appeal itself sucked butt through a silly straw. Hell, I was even downright apologetic for even appealing in the first place. What bothered me more than my actual personal bans was how they lost the damned plot to this game. How does the idea of a station of incompetents just trying to exist and carry out their various duties escape someone who has been playing since 2012? Seems silly.
For real though. If you didn't put effort in could you 100% say things would turn out the same way.
While one side of me says it's just a spaceman game literally who cares, the other says don't put yourself in a position to get stepped on.
Back to the not being stepped on though. Yeah, there's shitty behavior from a person and then there is shitty behavior from someone with a psychotic predatory personality that masturbates to The Prince. I understand as well that this is a 2D spaceman game but on the flipside imagine not being able to enjoy a 2D spaceman game because a sociopath used a 2D spaceman game as their own personal warehouse of people to exploit to fulfill their grotesque urges. Nobody would look twice right? It's a 2D spaceman game. Nah, you don't take this shit from people here or in real life or they're going to keep doing it. You don't work for or allow bosses to keep their jobs who do this. You don't date people who act like this or stand by when they treat their partner like such and so on. World is FULL of assholes sure I won't argue that but call me the leading proctologist on this side of the internet when I can tell an asshole from a a psycho.
If you've read this and were given a shitty hand or had a bad run with Admiral_Awesome130 then don't take it at face value that you got what you deserved. I'll have your back if you're legit. Look for me next time on this peanut when I'm doing a follow-up because he continued the grudge as a normal spaceman if he didn't leave the community in shame.
There's a reason he wears Jorts you know...Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:35 pmYour posts look like something a person suffering from histrionic personality disorder would write. I recommend immediate hardcore CBT.jortsandshirts wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:58 pmIn the topic of stepping on. There's times when it's alright to fold them as Kenny Rogers says and then there's a time when you ought not to. I said it prior if you don't for yourself then do it for someone else because certain types of behavior are easy to spot that are purely predatory. Knowing Bobama had a similar experience gives me an idea that this ain't just an aberration but that there's spacemen in this game who he Admiral_fuckstick also went after. He said it himself, hell bragged about it when threatening me. I wonder who that is and if they got justice?Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:42 amjortsandshirts wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:33 amI know you're just partially joking but I feel like had I not shown that I was more than the idiot who runs around the station yelling "COOK MAN BAD ATE MY CABBIGE" then who knows how this would have went? I mean sure if I trimmed the vulgarity the posts would basically be "Dear No-Longer-an-Adminiral, No u".Mothblocks wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:49 pm If every appeal I see gets 5,000 words I'm going to get worse judgement
Their replies in the ban appeal itself sucked butt through a silly straw. Hell, I was even downright apologetic for even appealing in the first place. What bothered me more than my actual personal bans was how they lost the damned plot to this game. How does the idea of a station of incompetents just trying to exist and carry out their various duties escape someone who has been playing since 2012? Seems silly.
For real though. If you didn't put effort in could you 100% say things would turn out the same way.
While one side of me says it's just a spaceman game literally who cares, the other says don't put yourself in a position to get stepped on.
Back to the not being stepped on though. Yeah, there's shitty behavior from a person and then there is shitty behavior from someone with a psychotic predatory personality that masturbates to The Prince. I understand as well that this is a 2D spaceman game but on the flipside imagine not being able to enjoy a 2D spaceman game because a sociopath used a 2D spaceman game as their own personal warehouse of people to exploit to fulfill their grotesque urges. Nobody would look twice right? It's a 2D spaceman game. Nah, you don't take this shit from people here or in real life or they're going to keep doing it. You don't work for or allow bosses to keep their jobs who do this. You don't date people who act like this or stand by when they treat their partner like such and so on. World is FULL of assholes sure I won't argue that but call me the leading proctologist on this side of the internet when I can tell an asshole from a a psycho.
If you've read this and were given a shitty hand or had a bad run with Admiral_Awesome130 then don't take it at face value that you got what you deserved. I'll have your back if you're legit. Look for me next time on this peanut when I'm doing a follow-up because he continued the grudge as a normal spaceman if he didn't leave the community in shame.
If you know the ban reason is shit either way, you might as well ban them for 6 months if you know an appeal for a perma would get them unbanned.NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:12 pm Iunno if it's been brought up, but if you're gonna ban someone for 6 months, just permaban them. Like, seriously, that's practically as harsh a ban, and the ban is usually appealed somewhere between 6 to 12 months if they ever intend to come back. It is extremely absurd to ban someone for more than 1 month without it elevating to perma, or 3 months for a role ban.
It's not impossible. Bans like this and the resulting investigation might show that they ended up targetting other people as well. An unfortunate part of abuse of power is that it undermines literally every administrative decision you make. This is why you don't fucking do it in the first place because you're a volunteer role and you have a responsibility to know when and how you are overstepping your bounds.Tearling wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 11:07 pm If you know the ban reason is shit either way, you might as well ban them for 6 months if you know an appeal for a perma would get them unbanned.
They might have been banking on the fact that there are players that, when banned, don't care enough to appeal to get back into a spaceman game, when there are other servers to choose from.
It's unfortunate because it might mean more work for other people to unravel this mess if it comes to light that other bans made by the admin are potentially orchestrated acts of abuse. Depending on whether anyone comes forward at least.