Awful Dungeon Master In Training, a Manuelmin Story Peanut
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:38 pm
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Yeah, rule whatever is meant to punish bad faith actors who keep skirting the rules, then lawyering when getting bwoinked. Maia did neither of those, and now people on MRP are going to be stressed about creatively killing antags, because even if nothing goes wrong, you might get bwoinked and banned.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:21 pmYeah something felt off about the headmin response that I couldn’t quite put my finger on. Their reasoning is factual but the response left much to desire.
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[highlight=yellow]01:19:55 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) threw and hit DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with the paper plane (NEWHP: 66) (168, 65, 2) Departure Lounge
01:19:56 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 34) (169, 64, 2) Departure Lounge
01:19:58 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 25) (169, 64, 2) Departure Lounge
01:19:59 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 13) (169, 64, 2) Departure Lounge
01:20:00 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 1) (169, 64, 2) Departure Lounge
01:20:01 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -11) (169, 64, 2) Departure Lounge
01:20:02 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -23) (169, 64, 2) Departure Lounge
01:20:38 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) passive grab (NEWHP: -32.1) (169, 64, 2) Departure Lounge
01:20:44 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -33.8) (163, 64, 2) Departure Lounge
01:21:30 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) passive grab (NEWHP: -43.4) (169, 51, 2) Departure Lounge
01:21:57 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) passive grab (NEWHP: -26.1) (170, 48, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:05 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed Themisors/(Corona U) passive grab (NEWHP: 72.9) (169, 48, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:16 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) passive grab (NEWHP: -6.4) (170, 48, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:29 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) passive grab (NEWHP: -3.9) (167, 49, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:37 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) passive grab (NEWHP: 0.5) (167, 49, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:40 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has thrown the mechanical toolbox (164, 49, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:40 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) threw and hit DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with the mechanical toolbox (NEWHP: 0.5) (164, 49, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:44 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) passive grab (NEWHP: -11) (165, 53, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:49 ATTACK DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) pulled from EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with Corona U (NEWHP: 100) (168, 49, 2) Departure Lounge
01:22:51 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) grabbed DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) passive grab (NEWHP: -10.1) (167, 50, 2) Departure Lounge[/highlight]
01:25:31 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) shaken NicoDeLuna/(Nico DeLuna) (NEWHP: 98.1) (167, 49, 2) Departure Lounge
01:27:12 ATTACK Glowing Verity/(Box Montoya) bumped into EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) and set them on fire. (165, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:12 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:16 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:16 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:16 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:16 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:16 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:17 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (166, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:40 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 38, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:40 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 38, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:41 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 38, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:41 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 38, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:48 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:48 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:49 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:49 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:50 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:50 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:50 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:51 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:51 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:51 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:52 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:52 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:52 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:54 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 43, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:56 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 42, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:56 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 42, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:56 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 42, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:56 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 42, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:56 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Box Montoya) with suspicious looking toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 85) (165, 42, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:59 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:59 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:59 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 41, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:59 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:27:59 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 40, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:00 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:00 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:01 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 38, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:01 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 38, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:02 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:02 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 36, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:02 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 36, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:08 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 29, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:08 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 29, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:27 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:27 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:32 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 36, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:33 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:33 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 36, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:35 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:35 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:40 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has thrown the paper plane (164, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:41 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (165, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
[highlight=yellow]01:28:46 ATTACK DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) threw and hit EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with the paper plane (NEWHP: 97.8) (166, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:53 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 36, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:54 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:55 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 38, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:56 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:28:57 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 36, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:02 ATTACK DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) threw and hit EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with the butcher's cleaver (NEWHP: 82.8) (166, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:02 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) suffered: Rough Abrasion to right leg | Damage: 10 (rolled 24/25.1189) (163, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:05 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:06 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has thrown the butcher's cleaver (162, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:08 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:09 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has thrown the paper plane (162, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:10 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:11 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with suspicious looking toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 86.5) (165, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:12 ATTACK DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) attacked EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with paper plane (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 75.7) (166, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:12 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) attacked DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) with suspicious looking toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 73) (166, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:13 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:14 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 33, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:15 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has thrown the paper plane (163, 33, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:18 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:20 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 33, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:25 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has thrown the paper plane (165, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:26 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) threw and hit *no key*/(Cayenne Sr.) with the paper plane (NEWHP: -103) (165, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle[/highlight]
01:29:26 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:26 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:27 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 33, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:28 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 33, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:29 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 33, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:29 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 33, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:31 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:31 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 34, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:32 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:32 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:32 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 35, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:33 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 36, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:33 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 36, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:33 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:33 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:33 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:33 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:34 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has thrown the suspicious looking toolbox (163, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:34 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) threw and hit Glowing Verity/(Box Montoya) with the suspicious looking toolbox (NEWHP: 41.5) (163, 37, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:35 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 38, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:36 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:36 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:36 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:36 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:36 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:36 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (164, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:38 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:38 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (163, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:39 ATTACK EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) slipped on the [synthesized banana peel] (162, 39, 2) Emergency Shuttle
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01:29:39 SAY Stiix/(space carp) (DEAD) "HOW" (164, 32, 2) Emergency Shuttle
01:29:42 GAME MrDrPhDExpert/(Bob Macon) is hijacking the emergency shuttle console. (44, 46, 15) Emergency Shuttle
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01:25:39 EMOTE Dezupher/(Cobie Stauber) points at Broly Butterfingers (165, 49, 2) Departure Lounge
01:26:32 EMOTE Karbministo/(Heals-The-Wounds) points at Broly Butterfingers (167, 48, 2) Departure Lounge
01:26:32 EMOTE Karbministo/(Heals-The-Wounds) points at Broly Butterfingers (167, 48, 2) Departure Lounge
01:26:49 SAY DurrHurrDurrHurr/(Broly Butterfingers) "I WAS IN THERE AGAINST MY WILL!!" (168, 52, 2) Departure Lounge
01:27:04 EMOTE Karbministo/(Heals-The-Wounds) points at Broly Butterfingers (167, 42, 2) Emergency Shuttle
Agreed spookuni isn't doing anything to restore the reputation of Manuel being a hugbox where nothing interesting can happen.
I'm not voting for rave this year based off of a similar but also very disappointing ban appeal moment.
Closer to the truth than you think. I've previously covered my stance on notes as a punishment but suffice to say - They are a punishment and having a note for something makes it more likely you'll get a note next time instead of a warning.Constellado wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:06 pm Oh god that was not the outcome I was hoping for. Do people with worse note histories get *gasp* MORE NOTES? it's a self perpetuating cycle. A player gets some notes, and they start getting more and more notes for smaller and smaller things, till they get banned. And now we know we cannot have fun with plasma in Manuel ever. Thanks guys.
My opinion here:Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:19 pm
Closer to the truth than you think. I've previously covered my stance on notes as a punishment but suffice to say - They are a punishment and having a note for something makes it more likely you'll get a note next time instead of a warning.
Not that this is inherently unjust as a concept. Rule 7 is a rule that says "if you don't break the rules, sometimes we'll act like you have" and it has to be founded on something to be used. But it creates a snowball effect where 9 borderline IC issues and 1 rule break can end up with 10 notes if your first incident is a rule break and everything else is a borderline IC issue where more notes are piled on top, or 1 note if you have the 9 borderline IC issues first and then fuck up and break a rule after.
But when used capriciously, it leads to a target being placed on a player where the first note opens the floodgates for every other note to follow afterwards. When escalating a ban due to past notes, I always critically analyse them and make sure I actually agree with them. Any notes I don't agree with or see the point of, I tend not to factor in to my decision making.
My jokey post about removing antags from Manuel doesn't look so jokey anymore does it?BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:03 pm Super sad about this result, and am probably disabling antag rolling on Manuel over it.
If there is anything that it results in, it is confusion based on what the rules themselves suggest is the encouraged playstyle. Be suboptimal so you can have a more interesting experience.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:28 pm I dislike administratively forcing players to play optimally.
There's a definite vibe where rule over-enforcement stifles player creativity.NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:50 am If there is anything that it results in, it is confusion based on what the rules themselves suggest is the encouraged playstyle. Be suboptimal so you can have a more interesting experience.
This is a highlight, I feel, of how the project clearly is failing to find solid ground and establish a proper baseline. Contradicting rulings mostly resulting in 'less bad things happening' makes me quite worried. I already have been spooked off playing antags on Manuel because it feels like a landmine but I might as well not worry because if I do get banned I'll probably never see it coming in the first place.
It definitely pushes Manuel towards some of the more common criticisms of current Bee and Fulp, which is that they're "job simulators" in that moving out of the confines of what's expected of the average person playing your job gets you in trouble.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:08 amThere's a definite vibe where rule over-enforcement stifles player creativity.NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:50 am If there is anything that it results in, it is confusion based on what the rules themselves suggest is the encouraged playstyle. Be suboptimal so you can have a more interesting experience.
This is a highlight, I feel, of how the project clearly is failing to find solid ground and establish a proper baseline. Contradicting rulings mostly resulting in 'less bad things happening' makes me quite worried. I already have been spooked off playing antags on Manuel because it feels like a landmine but I might as well not worry because if I do get banned I'll probably never see it coming in the first place.
Even something as benign as a bwoink followed by a "well I guess it's fine this once, but don't do it again" can shape server culture as players pass on "doing X can get you bwoinked/noted".
Stuff like this never sat well with me. To me, MRP should be a place where more SS13 moments happen than even LRP. The limited power of antags to force the shift forward means the ordinary crew get much more focus, and there's more room for side projects and little hobbies and stuff. A different part of the sandbox becomes available compared to LRP, and that sandbox comes with wild projects both big and small, silly and sensible.
I feel rulings like this lock away a lot of the fun absurdity, behind players being scared of getting one note that turns into a waterfall of notes.
Most of the people who have said they're voting for him, from what I've seen, say they're voting for him for his conduct behind-the-scenes in admin channels or because he's a 'safe' pick because he's already been headmin for a few terms.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:06 pmI'm not voting for rave this year based off of a similar but also very disappointing ban appeal moment.
I'm glad he's actively sabotaging his own campaign by upholding remarkably shit bans.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:33 pm Also I haven't really done a more in depth study of past headmins terms so I'm a bit biased towards re-electing people who have already had headmin experience
(That last one really goes into detail and is well-reasoned, even if I disagree with it, it should give you an idea as to why someone would vote for rave, regardless of their ban appeal decisions)Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:22 pmFrom an admin PoV, having a stable and good internal headmin's what I'm looking for.