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There's a reason for that, and having read and handled enough Reider tickets, it has to do with how he sees the game as something to be solved instead of something to be enjoyed or a role-playing game.
Ah my bad I misread it.kieth4 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:04 amUnrelated to the rest of the post we did not rule that it could not be repeated only that it should not be repeated on a regular basis.BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:59 am
Considering that headmins have ruled that a clown's shit gimmick should not be repeated more than one round, I don't see why Reider's shoe gimmick is getting repeated as often as it is. Seems like it's being looked into, it's just a slower process. There's also nothing wrong with a three inch penis, it's about the motion of the ocean bro
Having your baton out is a good way to get it taken.Chadley wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:38 pmI've been tided against once after creating a new character name and identity. I've found talking things out and having your baton ready for when you walk in the same hall as someone with combat constantly enabled is a pretty surefire way to keep your shoes.BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:53 am When I play sec I literally can't walk down the hallway without getting shovestunned and shoes stolen by Reider when I haven't even provoked him. And he also seems to have a metagang that will get him out of legit arrests for it which is also fun to deal with. I'd be chill with it every once in a while but seemingly all he does is roll assistant and do this
Assume all assistants are bulls, they see your red uniform and they charge, and just don't sit still.
Yea but whats the unique roleplay scenario behind getting my boots taken every round? My standards for LRP might be higher idk, my bare minimum standard is having a good in character reason for what you do while not having dumb restrictions like "oh youre a chemist how would you know how to do surgery" placed on you. If a clown slipped me and stole my boots I'd probably still arrest him, but I wouldn't complain about it because he has an IC reason to do it. What I'm saying is Reider is engaging in clown tier behavior. I'm also not complaining about any of the above situations you listed. They're completely different from consistently getting into NRP tier shove matches.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:05 am From a roleplay perspective it doesn’t make sense for you to hack into a department instead of knocking or PDA’ing a worker to open the door for you. From a roleplay perspective it doesn’t make sense to grab a toolbelt and insuls to begin with if you don’t have an engineering project in mind for the round. From a roleplay perspective you should go to security before getting into a fight to report the person for assault and play by the rules.
This is why the server is called L (low) RP. You get to think about more stuff in terms of a gameplay perspective, and the idea is that this freedom and laxity opens up the game more in a way that could create for unique roleplay scenarios alongside it.
Shift + E, ZBeeSting12 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:43 pmHaving your baton out is a good way to get it taken.Chadley wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:38 pmI've been tided against once after creating a new character name and identity. I've found talking things out and having your baton ready for when you walk in the same hall as someone with combat constantly enabled is a pretty surefire way to keep your shoes.BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:53 am When I play sec I literally can't walk down the hallway without getting shovestunned and shoes stolen by Reider when I haven't even provoked him. And he also seems to have a metagang that will get him out of legit arrests for it which is also fun to deal with. I'd be chill with it every once in a while but seemingly all he does is roll assistant and do this
Assume all assistants are bulls, they see your red uniform and they charge, and just don't sit still.
Yes, but you can't ignore the RP part of LRP. There is no RP involved in wordlessly smashing someone with a firelock and taking a pair of gloves they wanted.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:05 am From a roleplay perspective it doesn’t make sense for you to hack into a department instead of knocking or PDA’ing a worker to open the door for you. From a roleplay perspective it doesn’t make sense to grab a toolbelt and insuls to begin with if you don’t have an engineering project in mind for the round. From a roleplay perspective you should go to security before getting into a fight to report the person for assault and play by the rules.
This is why the server is called L (low) RP. You get to think about more stuff in terms of a gameplay perspective, and the idea is that this freedom and laxity opens up the game more in a way that could create for unique roleplay scenarios alongside it.
it would be very popular, depending on the admins running/busing the server
This is a relevant objection, but the change as above proposed wouldn't actually change the culture, it would change the name to better describe the existing culture.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:08 pm Fuck off, dont lower Terrys rp level, europe only has one and if you are adimant on lowering the rp level on a server make it Bagil or Sybil since there are two american lrp servers.
i should have clarified, "make terry's already lower rp level official"TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:08 pm Fuck off, dont lower Terrys rp level, europe only has one and if you are adimant on lowering the rp level on a server make it Bagil or Sybil since there are two american lrp servers.
ah, i see you already handled the response. exactly that. ^^^ekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:14 pmThis is a relevant objection, but the change as above proposed wouldn't actually change the culture, it would change the name to better describe the existing culture.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:08 pm Fuck off, dont lower Terrys rp level, europe only has one and if you are adimant on lowering the rp level on a server make it Bagil or Sybil since there are two american lrp servers.
I would rather ban everyone who plays less than LRP than make it NRP.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:17 pmi should have clarified, "make terry's already lower rp level official"TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:08 pm Fuck off, dont lower Terrys rp level, europe only has one and if you are adimant on lowering the rp level on a server make it Bagil or Sybil since there are two american lrp servers.
I have been adminning mostly Terry for a whole solid 20 THOUSAND minutes and I have never seen an NRP situation. Unless it's a shitter, but there's like one or two that haven't been permabanned.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:45 am Terry is not NRP and if people want to play NRP so much they can go to merchant, having an IC reason is the bare minimum to create fun and interesting scenarios. Hard agree with Vekter
I'm actually grateful for you compiling such a long list of garbage opinions in one postekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:16 pmComplaining about NRP assistants... on Terry...
it's hard to believe you actually play on Terry with opinions like this.
All a history can do is amplify an issue, and make the punishment for reoccurring offences harsher. Having a history does not make a something that is not an issue into an issue.
Irrelevant. He was an assistant. If we applied the standard for assistants to every job, of course the server would go to shit.
Assistants' primary function is to do minor grief and be sec content, change my mind.
Vekter denying an appeal? Who could've seen this coming?
You're not here to educate Reider on how to be polite, but to enforce rules. Point to the rule he actually broke.
His reason was valid per escalation policy as others have explained, and having done valid actions in the past is irrelevant.
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:14 pm I don't think it's unreasonable for me to expect people to act like adults when we have an 18+ rule. If someone might get something you want before you, try to get it first. If you don't, oh fucking well. Maybe you don't get that item for the round. Insulated gloves aren't mandatory to your enjoyment of the game. Maybe you go somewhere else to get them, as I suggested in the appeal.
The player acting like an adult (OOC) is not the same as the character acting like an adult.
Assistants like Reider make for sec content and create the potential for interesting interactions.Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:14 pmYou're right in moderation. The issue comes when it becomes the general norm of the server for people to do shit like this. I banned Reider because it's a constant issue with him. You should be allowed to greytide a little as a treat, but if you make it your entire personality, you are going to get your shit kicked in.Very harmless tiding like this is a net benefit to the servers, because it serves as a baseline chaos that gives antags breathing room.
The admin's job is not to be untouchable security. As the representative of the Security Officers' Union, I have to say: stop taking our jobs!
whatconrad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:31 amI have been adminning mostly Terry for a whole solid 20 THOUSAND minutes and I have never seen an NRP situation. Unless it's a shitter, but there's like one or two that haven't been permabanned.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:45 am Terry is not NRP and if people want to play NRP so much they can go to merchant, having an IC reason is the bare minimum to create fun and interesting scenarios. Hard agree with Vekter
Genuinely do not see this as "lazily" requesting headmin review. He made his argument. He responded to Vekter's response. And then Vekter said,Misdoubtful wrote:I'm going to start off by saying that every single time someone lazily says 'headmin review' I sharpen my axe a little bit more. If you can't put in the effort to try and convince the banning admin why a ban was wrong - what would you have possibly accomplished to make US see things that way? I'll tell you exactly what, absolutely nothing.
So yeah after that he requested review. What more do you want really? It just doesn't really make sense to try to convince someone who has literally just said "I am NOT lifting this" in response to a disagreement that already took place. I think this may be an issue of tone since "headmin review" sounds kind of aloof and annoying considering the time it takes headmins to read and respond to an appeal, but if it's just tone there's no reason to make it something bigger.Vekter wrote:I'm not lifting it. Headmins have been notified but it's not going away unless they remove it.
what if instead we deleted mrp and lrp and forcibly merged the two populations to achieve proper balance (good for the digestive tract yaknow)Armhulen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:07 pm our LURP is closer to NURP than MURP. That's worrying.
I wonder if we need a server with an even lower ruleset so people could realize how unfun it is when everyone plays like this
Every NURP'D UP server that has ever existed has died but it's clear people need more proof that starting every interaction where you want something by firelock crushing is bad
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:29 am I agree with Kieth's view, the stun itself was a nonissue, but if it's a recurring thing that constantly happens I can see their perspective.
Genuinely do not see this as "lazily" requesting headmin review. He made his argument. He responded to Vekter's response. And then Vekter said,Misdoubtful wrote:I'm going to start off by saying that every single time someone lazily says 'headmin review' I sharpen my axe a little bit more. If you can't put in the effort to try and convince the banning admin why a ban was wrong - what would you have possibly accomplished to make US see things that way? I'll tell you exactly what, absolutely nothing.So yeah after that he requested review. What more do you want really? It just doesn't really make sense to try to convince someone who has literally just said "I am NOT lifting this" in response to a disagreement that already took place. I think this may be an issue of tone since "headmin review" sounds kind of aloof and annoying considering the time it takes headmins to read and respond to an appeal, but if it's just tone there's no reason to make it something bigger.Vekter wrote:I'm not lifting it. Headmins have been notified but it's not going away unless they remove it.
Reviewal isn't a word MisdoubtfulMisdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:40 am When an appeal is so bad we have to step in and tell people to put in more effort mid appeal if they want a reviewal, it might JUST be lazy.
Swing and a miss!sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:46 amReviewal isn't a word MisdoubtfulMisdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:40 am When an appeal is so bad we have to step in and tell people to put in more effort mid appeal if they want a reviewal, it might JUST be lazy.
Swing and a homerun since I made you doubt it enough to look it up.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:47 amSwing and a miss!sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:46 amReviewal isn't a word MisdoubtfulMisdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:40 am When an appeal is so bad we have to step in and tell people to put in more effort mid appeal if they want a reviewal, it might JUST be lazy.
He only did that after Kieth told him straight up to answer Vekter's earlier post and even then there was nothing new to his argument. It was just "no I didn't"sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:29 am I agree with Kieth's view, the stun itself was a nonissue, but if it's a recurring thing that constantly happens I can see their perspective.
Genuinely do not see this as "lazily" requesting headmin review. He made his argument. He responded to Vekter's response. And then Vekter said,Misdoubtful wrote:I'm going to start off by saying that every single time someone lazily says 'headmin review' I sharpen my axe a little bit more. If you can't put in the effort to try and convince the banning admin why a ban was wrong - what would you have possibly accomplished to make US see things that way? I'll tell you exactly what, absolutely nothing.So yeah after that he requested review. What more do you want really? It just doesn't really make sense to try to convince someone who has literally just said "I am NOT lifting this" in response to a disagreement that already took place. I think this may be an issue of tone since "headmin review" sounds kind of aloof and annoying considering the time it takes headmins to read and respond to an appeal, but if it's just tone there's no reason to make it something bigger.Vekter wrote:I'm not lifting it. Headmins have been notified but it's not going away unless they remove it.
Tabling actually does brute damage, funnily enough tabling to the point where they'd be stamcrit to take the gloves back (3 tables) is around as much if not more than firelocking someone. So your proposed alternative is actually MORE lethal than what they opted for.Vekter wrote:You had so many other solutions available to you: Shove/table him (does no lethal damage), talk the problem out, go to Engineering and ask for gloves (of which there are often extras), see if Cargo could order one for you (idk about other QMs but I wouldn't balk at it), have Security step in, etc. Instead, you did what you always do and escalated straight to assault.
Are you dyslexic or something or do you just actively make the choice to only selectively pay attention to the things you want to pay attention to?ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:05 pm I am disappointed by the way this appeal ended. I think the headmins denied him a fair chance just because he has a bad reputation, they didn't even list the votes of each headmin as usual.
Sinfulbliss even demonstrated how little sense the admin's stance on this made. An assistant assisting is incontrovertibly an IC issue. Ahelping because you got assisted by an assistant is a skill issue.
Imagine being angry over someone disagreeing with your opinion on whether a spessman did something wrong or not to the point of insulting me. I expected better from you, I thought you were the nicest person on this website.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:10 pmAre you dyslexic or something or do you just actively make the choice to only selectively pay attention to the things you want to pay attention to?ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:05 pm I am disappointed by the way this appeal ended. I think the headmins denied him a fair chance just because he has a bad reputation, they didn't even list the votes of each headmin as usual.
Sinfulbliss even demonstrated how little sense the admin's stance on this made. An assistant assisting is incontrovertibly an IC issue. Ahelping because you got assisted by an assistant is a skill issue.
I'm genuinely curious, not insulting you.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:14 pmImagine being angry over someone disagreeing with your opinion on whether a spessman did something wrong or not to the point of insulting me. I expected better from you, I thought you were the nicest person on this website.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:10 pmAre you dyslexic or something or do you just actively make the choice to only selectively pay attention to the things you want to pay attention to?ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:05 pm I am disappointed by the way this appeal ended. I think the headmins denied him a fair chance just because he has a bad reputation, they didn't even list the votes of each headmin as usual.
Sinfulbliss even demonstrated how little sense the admin's stance on this made. An assistant assisting is incontrovertibly an IC issue. Ahelping because you got assisted by an assistant is a skill issue.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:01 pm Would saying something like, "Hey you. I saw those insuls first, give them here." and THEN if they denied you, firelocking them for the insuls, be a better alternative? The issue seemed to be wordlessly firelocking them for something he wanted, since as you said, conflicts should start off nonviolent.
In that case, now that you mention it, I suppose I did wilfully ignore sentences that I consider to be false, inapplicable or irrelevant, which is evidently unproductive if trying to convince someone as it results in the a reaction like the one in which it did result, since said person's opinion will continue to be based on the sentences which I didn't address and which oppose my own premises. It'll be like we live in two different worlds.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:16 pmI'm genuinely curious, not insulting you.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:14 pmImagine being angry over someone disagreeing with your opinion on whether a spessman did something wrong or not to the point of insulting me. I expected better from you, I thought you were the nicest person on this website.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:10 pmAre you dyslexic or something or do you just actively make the choice to only selectively pay attention to the things you want to pay attention to?ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:05 pm I am disappointed by the way this appeal ended. I think the headmins denied him a fair chance just because he has a bad reputation, they didn't even list the votes of each headmin as usual.
Sinfulbliss even demonstrated how little sense the admin's stance on this made. An assistant assisting is incontrovertibly an IC issue. Ahelping because you got assisted by an assistant is a skill issue.
The solution is to simply not firelock crush someone and go after insulated gloves roundstart. Neither of them probably even needed it, and just did it out of habit for their optimal powergame grief meta.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:56 am Anyways I agreed with the rest of the escalation philosophy you said. Just found that part silly. My man Vekter said:
"I am NOT lifting this. HEADMINS will have to lift it."
"Ok, headmin review please." "
Headmins: "Please respond to Vekter more thoroughly"
"Ok, *responds to Vekter*"
"Nope. Denied."
"Ok, headmin review please."
Headmins: YOU DARETH RECRUIT US WITHOUT HAVING DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE? LOE!!! YOU SHALL BEAR THE FULL BURDEN OF MINE MIGHTY POLISHED AXE, MORTAL.
Jus a il silly you know...
Tabling actually does brute damage, funnily enough tabling to the point where they'd be stamcrit to take the gloves back (3 tables) is around as much if not more than firelocking someone. So your proposed alternative is actually MORE lethal than what they opted for.Vekter wrote:You had so many other solutions available to you: Shove/table him (does no lethal damage), talk the problem out, go to Engineering and ask for gloves (of which there are often extras), see if Cargo could order one for you (idk about other QMs but I wouldn't balk at it), have Security step in, etc. Instead, you did what you always do and escalated straight to assault.
Other solutions are sort of bad. Talk the problem out... The problem being... The fact you want what they have....... Engineering doesn't give insuls to assistants. Ordering one through cargo is also unlikely, doing bounties then ordering one is CBT. "Having security step in" is... Very strange. "Sec, this man has an item that I desire."
My whole issue is kinda the pattern of wordless gameplay. I don't particularly view the firelocking as too much of an issue. But I feel that it's a lot better to initiate some kind of verbal interaction before escalation to violence. In conjunction with a wordless history it means I'm very reluctant to argue hard.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:22 pm I ask because... I still think little fights over items and stuff like this should have the potential to go lethal, so long as it began as a verbal dispute to allow RP to flow first. The real issue seems to be NRP insta-mechanics silent theft.
The real problem with this is the number of players who just want to self-antag and who already harass players hoping to have an excuse to murderbone.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:22 pm I ask because... I still think little fights over items and stuff like this should have the potential to go lethal, so long as it began as a verbal dispute to allow RP to flow first. The real issue seems to be NRP insta-mechanics silent theft.
Yeah pretty much. No one is saying that fighting and the escalation of violence and conflict isn't fine. Its just actually getting to that point.kieth4 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:34 pmMy whole issue is kinda the pattern of wordless gameplay. I don't particularly view the firelocking as too much of an issue. But I feel that it's a lot better to initiate some kind of verbal interaction before escalation to violence. In conjunction with a wordless history it means I'm very reluctant to argue hard.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:22 pm I ask because... I still think little fights over items and stuff like this should have the potential to go lethal, so long as it began as a verbal dispute to allow RP to flow first. The real issue seems to be NRP insta-mechanics silent theft.
I think often when we game we fall into bad habits and go full goblin mode. It's important to occasionally be reminded that this is a verbal game and you do need to talk.
NP, I appreciate it, just making sense of things, and there wasn't really any other way to address it besides being direct.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:23 pmIn that case, now that you mention it, I suppose I did wilfully ignore sentences that I consider to be false, inapplicable or irrelevant, which is evidently unproductive if trying to convince someone as it results in the a reaction like the one in which it did result, since said person's opinion will continue to be based on the sentences which I didn't address and which oppose my own premises. It'll be like we live in two different worlds.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:16 pmI'm genuinely curious, not insulting you.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:14 pmImagine being angry over someone disagreeing with your opinion on whether a spessman did something wrong or not to the point of insulting me. I expected better from you, I thought you were the nicest person on this website.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:10 pmAre you dyslexic or something or do you just actively make the choice to only selectively pay attention to the things you want to pay attention to?ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:05 pm I am disappointed by the way this appeal ended. I think the headmins denied him a fair chance just because he has a bad reputation, they didn't even list the votes of each headmin as usual.
Sinfulbliss even demonstrated how little sense the admin's stance on this made. An assistant assisting is incontrovertibly an IC issue. Ahelping because you got assisted by an assistant is a skill issue.
Sinfupiss either shocked that Terry is not NRP or simply forgot how to read.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:17 amwhatconrad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:31 amI have been adminning mostly Terry for a whole solid 20 THOUSAND minutes and I have never seen an NRP situation. Unless it's a shitter, but there's like one or two that haven't been permabanned.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:45 am Terry is not NRP and if people want to play NRP so much they can go to merchant, having an IC reason is the bare minimum to create fun and interesting scenarios. Hard agree with Vekter
You do that a lot. Arguing with you feels like arguing with someone trapped in an echo chamber.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:23 pmIn that case, now that you mention it, I suppose I did wilfully ignore sentences that I consider to be false, inapplicable or irrelevant, which is evidently unproductive if trying to convince someone as it results in the a reaction like the one in which it did result, since said person's opinion will continue to be based on the sentences which I didn't address and which oppose my own premises. It'll be like we live in two different worlds.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:16 pmI'm genuinely curious, not insulting you.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:14 pmImagine being angry over someone disagreeing with your opinion on whether a spessman did something wrong or not to the point of insulting me. I expected better from you, I thought you were the nicest person on this website.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:10 pmAre you dyslexic or something or do you just actively make the choice to only selectively pay attention to the things you want to pay attention to?ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:05 pm I am disappointed by the way this appeal ended. I think the headmins denied him a fair chance just because he has a bad reputation, they didn't even list the votes of each headmin as usual.
Sinfulbliss even demonstrated how little sense the admin's stance on this made. An assistant assisting is incontrovertibly an IC issue. Ahelping because you got assisted by an assistant is a skill issue.
Yes, because at the very least, you put forth effort to actually talk the issue out.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:01 pm OUT OF CURIOSITY:
Would saying something like, "Hey you. I saw those insuls first, give them here." and THEN if they denied you, firelocking them for the insuls, be a better alternative? The issue seemed to be wordlessly firelocking them for something he wanted, since as you said, conflicts should start off nonviolent.
… timber is like the poster child of Manuel they were the most important admin for it for a long time before they went cringe maintainer mode
No I couldnt care less what happened to reider. Im just saying that i think that your a manuelmin, and keith was a admin on skyrat. But if i see more of you around sybil ill change my mind.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:28 pmYou realize that we all pretty much agreed on it right? That's how this works
didnt know that, well damn this headmin term is just confusing for me. I think that at least 2 are MRP mins. Apart from keith.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:05 pm… timber is like the poster child of Manuel they were the most important admin for it for a long time before they went cringe maintainer mode
I can't please everyoneLeekiLoku wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:43 pmNo I couldnt care less what happened to reider. Im just saying that i think that your a manuelmin, and keith was a admin on skyrat. But if i see more of you around sybil ill change my mind.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:28 pmYou realize that we all pretty much agreed on it right? That's how this works
You have enough hours on Terry and Sybil your redeemed in my eyes, but that really doesnt matter since im just a tiny little chang.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:57 pmI can't please everyoneLeekiLoku wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:43 pmNo I couldnt care less what happened to reider. Im just saying that i think that your a manuelmin, and keith was a admin on skyrat. But if i see more of you around sybil ill change my mind.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:28 pmYou realize that we all pretty much agreed on it right? That's how this works