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looks like the new election is starting
are you running?
im running
who else is running?
are you excited for anyone in particular
have you already decided who you want to vote for?

I think platforms mean less and less the more familiar you are with the community (or in Misdoubtfuls case it meant nothing, with the host vote secured). An underdog coming in is going to need an all around great election cycle, including the introductions and policy to get initial eyes on you before the debates. Ideally, they will also be nolifing atleast two servers and maybe even the discord to speedrun player connection to go from "lol who is this LRP/MRPmin on my server" to "oh thats mr or ms admin they are my GUY/GIRL/PERSON/MOTH and I will die for them". Unless you're Stereo and you have the charisma of LA KNIGHT yeah, its hard to come back from a bad initial candidate page since you will be written off as a non-competitor

Somebody like goofball though is goofball and can completely troll his policy and he will still have diehard voters because he is funny.

Honestly I think its more my own biases towards particular bits of politics more than anything seeping into things here but, they certainly can tell you a lot about where a person sits with things surely.

I'm just personally interested in seeing a complete and well rounded offering, and I feverishly have a stockholders mindset of caring about seeing tangible results rather than the words and steps leading up to them.

Counterpoint: spessman game politics are funny and are very entertaining to watch and participate in.

To be perfectly clear I liked this headmin season the best, nothing is ever possible without the full team’s consent and agreement.

THAT SAID! If you replaced Lukas with say, Rave, I think this term would have gone completely different. Different issues would’ve been raised, internal discussion would’ve gone differently, and different policies would’ve been passed. So it’s not necessarily true that one headmin can’t make a difference.

I also have never claimed LRP > MRP, and I think server tribalism is immature.

THAT SAID! Just as what server you play reflects your values and ideals about SS13 (maybe you prefer slow roleplay-focused rounds, maybe you want people to let their hair down more, maybe you want more/less conflict, etc), so does where you admin. MRP headmins simply aren’t going to “get” the values LRP players hold because they don’t play it or enjoy being there.

Using yourself @Timber as an example of an MRP admin is a bit iffy, I would consider you more of a book-admin, somehow you are able to derive both LRP and MRP values without touching either server almost at all but that is a unique quality and I would NEVER count on it in any other case.

Ngl, while I certainly can't speak on their behalf, it feels like most LRP main admins I've interacted with are still avid RP enjoyers, but prefer the more fast paced rounds of the LRP servers.

Sightld2 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:02 pm Ngl, while I certainly can't speak on their behalf, it feels like most LRP main admins I've interacted with are still avid RP enjoyers, but prefer the more fast paced rounds of the LRP servers.

This is very true. Kieth is very much a zoomer ong fr fr LRP Terry courtesan and even then Lukas Beedell RPing is something everyone could learn from.

Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:18 pm Its why I think the elections fucking suck, because there is zero point in championing a platform you can not guarantee and don't have an action plan laid out for that can for sure happen. Almost everything isn't going to go as intended, there will be plenty of improvision, and some peoples principles may very well get sidelined when the need arises, or they lose a vote on something, or whatever else. In our cases specifically this term we've had a whole lot of life going on and conflicting schedules.

I think the misunderstanding here is that platforms are no really for players, they're for the other candidates so they know your general stance on things before you meet for the first time. Not every candidate will have the benefit of having known and seen the other admin or play or be in discord together enough to get a read on their general views.

Think of it like a CIA factbook on where you stand on things important to the community.

oranges wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:27 pm

Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:18 pm Its why I think the elections fucking suck, because there is zero point in championing a platform you can not guarantee and don't have an action plan laid out for that can for sure happen. Almost everything isn't going to go as intended, there will be plenty of improvision, and some peoples principles may very well get sidelined when the need arises, or they lose a vote on something, or whatever else. In our cases specifically this term we've had a whole lot of life going on and conflicting schedules.

I think the misunderstanding here is that platforms are no really for players, they're for the other candidates so they know your general stance on things before you meet for the first time. Not every candidate will have the benefit of having known and seen the other admin or play or be in discord together enough to get a read on their general views.

Think of it like a CIA factbook on where you stand on things important to the community.

This is a way of looking at it yeah. Maybe there is way to tailor platforms to both voters and potentially the people worked with.

When it came to being host voted the only things I cared about ended up being exactly that, how working with x people would be so I could prepare myself and have ideas on the different sets of expectations I could start to put together.

The purpose platforms serve in ANY election is to just state what your goals are, that the things you list are some things you campaign for during your term.

Any politicians platform isn't a list of things that will happen as many things could prevent that.

If a headmin's campaign features trying to remove MRP, it doesn't mean it's going to happen but it shows players where their heads at and that they are very unlikely to be MRP aligned.

They're great metrics to judge reliability, rationality and general suitability.

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You can have a zinger platform then timber will say no mentors and you can't even do anything so it's cringe. Timber kinda gives me r*dit poster vibes for that idk. Thoughts?

yeah the more i think about it mentors kind of suck, used to be on board with it but. The shit sucks

Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:15 am yeah the more i think about it mentors kind of suck, used to be on board with it but. The shit sucks

you increased in the headmin ranking brother

Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:15 am yeah the more i think about it mentors kind of suck, used to be on board with it but. The shit sucks

SO TRUE

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:47 am You can have a zinger platform then timber will say no mentors and you can't even do anything so it's cringe. Timber kinda gives me r*dit poster vibes for that idk. Thoughts?

I have been called a "Grade-A Redditor" before, by AffectedArc.

I've often said to people they should frame their platform as a how I think, not what I will do.

However it's ultimately left up to candidates themselves to choose how to handle their thread.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:52 pm

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:47 am You can have a zinger platform then timber will say no mentors and you can't even do anything so it's cringe. Timber kinda gives me r*dit poster vibes for that idk. Thoughts?

I have been called a "Grade-A Redditor" before, by AffectedArc.

this is bullshit, you are clearly a "Grade-C Redditor"

oranges wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:39 pm I've often said to people they should frame their platform as a how I think, not what I will do.

However it's ultimately left up to candidates themselves to choose how to handle their thread.

Yeah absolutely, this is much more preferably.

all i really want to know is if timber is actually going to push for goof so i can stock up on popcorn in advance

Named host vote needs to be unanimous and I must convince Misdoubtful on the benefit of a goofministration.

have a sleep, will write platform when i wake up

nvm, first

Timberpoes is welcome to try

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:07 amnvm, first

First question for the first candidate.

How well do you handle criticism? If the criticism is purely a complaint do you still believe there is value in it and do you have a way to handle vitriol thrown at you? Do you think you could be sweet talked into making decisions you normally wouldn't?

since i can't vote timber i'm going to dartboard my vote because policy as a whole doesn't affect me in the slightest unless you config a ban on funny hats or something

fikou is however guaranteed my vote on at least the no.2 spot in the listing because he's funny and i like funny people

simple as

PRE TIER LIST CANDIDATE FIRST IMPRESSIONS

Kinnebian ( viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34687 ) - Very familiar face, especially in the past few months. Jumps past stereo (who was in this exact spot last election) because he put good effort into his introduction, and has the bonus of going first. Policies are relatively(?) safe and leave a bit to be desired, as Kinneb is running for status quo headmin (even saying as much in their introduction). This can be good or bad depending on how you feel about status quo headmins, and how you feel about this terms status quo being upheld atleast from kieths end. Could be a good playervote guess depending on how many hours they have on the servers. Also maybe an adminvote sleeper pick? We need to see more but keep your eye on this one. TLDR; Pretty bread and butter status quo campaign. Familiar face and funny, hard to dislike. Optimistic about their chances


Fikou ( viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34689 ) - I will keep this short because Fikou kept their introduction short. I expect Fikou to either win or be a very strong contender for the adminvote or even host pick. Depending on how strong or weak the candidates are this year Fikou could also be a playervote pick this cycle too! However, Fikou will need a better election cycle to win the playervote if we see some stronger names. TLDR; Very attractive pick because its fikou. Already shaking things up because there are TWO strong picks and both seem to be status quo headmins!

Charley Quinn( viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34691 ) - Charley Quinn is not interested in the adminvote. Charley Quinn said some things that made me go YEAH and some things that made me go oh ok and some things that made me go WHAT THIS IS NUTS. I enjoyed reading Fikou and Kinnebians introductions (because I enjoy reading all of them), but it was like clocking into your peaceful job and having a normal day. Reading this introduction was like going into work and being fired but then being given a bunch of money but then getting punched but then your crush likes you back but then you stub your toe bu- you get the idea. Huge props to Charleen Quinzel for taking a lot of risky stances and being the first one in the election to do so. Hopefully this outspoken-ness can continue in the question and debates, and this maybe can turn from a (really super based though) wingsuit dive into a volcano to a dark horse pickTLDR; Even though this might be a bit too divisive too early,I really appreciate Armodias being the first person to really shake things up and take stances and not treat their introduction as a formality

Cheshify ( viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34692 ) - Cheshifys introduction reminds me of a frilled-neck lizard in the best way. You see a bunch of colors and "Kurt sector??" and a list of cool accomplishments. Cheshify did a good job of making little substance look like a lot. Very smart policies (unknown if intentional), with two low hanging fruits that most people would enjoy along with something truly ambitious. Hopefully we can see more from them during the debates and questions, to see where they truly stand (as it isnt as clear as a few of the others we've seen). Chesh may need to do more to stand out among the others this cycle, as the competition is looking stiff TLDR; Strong introducton. Very cleverly picked policies. Adding his accomplishments also helps me believe that Cheshify can atleast see to it that the lower effort things are done throughout the term. Long road ahead but optimistic

GOOFBALL ( viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34693 ) - Goof will still get votes despite the troll campaign, and its always fun to see the wacky and zany antics he employs to get eyes to his (routine) triple backflip moonsault off 6 ladders of a campaign. I am begging Kieth and Timber and Hugs to do the funniest thing ever as this is the closest goof will ever get to winning hostvote TLDR; GOOF STOCKS THROUGH THE ROOF

I woke up to some very sad news: It appears that Goofball's campaign was taken out back and killed for not being a real campaign. This will shake up the election as we have lost our #1 pick for hostvote and playervote. I will keep you guys updated

General Thrax ( viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34695 ) - Does this introduction leave a bit to be desired? Sure. I dont have too much to go on but Thrax is a long-time admintrainer and a "not thaaaaaat mrp" mrp candidate, and it reflects in their introduction. I hope to see more during the questions and debates so a better idea can be drawn about their standing TLDR; Need to see more during the questions and debates. Potential dark horse for adminpick as a strong status quo candidate. In nearly the exact same boat as WineAllWine

WineAllWine ( viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34700 ) - Yet another status quo candidate! Our glorious leader and friends must be working magic behind the scenes! In all seriousness I hope atleast a few of these status-quo looking candidates can shake it up but only time will tell. I am not the biggest fan of no introductions but I know a large part of that is impatience so hopefully this Wine can age as well as the rest of them. TLDR; Another status-quo candidate. Introduction was the most formality-like one we have seen other than maybe fikous (but it's in a unique format atleast). Competition is very stiff this time around, Wine will need to stand out during the debates / questions. In nearly the exact same boat as General Thrax

Striders13 ( viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34701 ) - Pulls a Ms Doubtful and doesnt have anything more to say after winning the hostvote. Hopefully we can see them speak up during the elections so we know what they plan to do but they also dont have to because they won the host vote. Congrats! TLDR; HOST VOTE WINNER - LET THEM COOK! is stinky and smelly and lied about winning hostvote

I really dislike the notion of "anti-admin, pro-player". These sound way too populist and simple for the complicated issues of separation between admin and player.

Archie700 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 am I really dislike the notion of "anti-admin, pro-player". These sound way too populist and simple for the complicated issues of separation between admin and player.

is it that complicated? players rule, admins drool (except our glorious leader LUKAS BEEDELL)

Archie700 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 am I really dislike the notion of "anti-admin, pro-player". These sound way too populist and simple for the complicated issues of separation between admin and player.

Is there anyone actually running with that campaign point right now? At most, I see Chadley, but theirs is "I am going to call you out for being an idiot whether you are an admin or a player if you're being stupid."

I AM DUMB AND SHOULD SLEEP BEFORE READING CAMPAIGN THREADS

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:24 am

Archie700 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 am I really dislike the notion of "anti-admin, pro-player". These sound way too populist and simple for the complicated issues of separation between admin and player.

Is there anyone actually running with that campaign point right now? At most, I see Chadley, but theirs is "I am going to call you out for being an idiot whether you are an admin or a player if you're being stupid."

their first words in the campaign are literally "I can't promise perfection, but if you want an admin with an anti-admin, pro-player platform, I'm your girl."

Fikou wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:34 am

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:24 am

Archie700 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 am I really dislike the notion of "anti-admin, pro-player". These sound way too populist and simple for the complicated issues of separation between admin and player.

Is there anyone actually running with that campaign point right now? At most, I see Chadley, but theirs is "I am going to call you out for being an idiot whether you are an admin or a player if you're being stupid."

their first words in the campaign are literally "I can't promise perfection, but if you want an admin with an anti-admin, pro-player platform, I'm your girl."

See, this is a prime example of why I shouldn't read threads when I haven't slept in 15+ hours.

all excellent contenders so far. i enjoyed all of their intro posts and what they want to bring to the table. there aren't really any bad choices.

what will be interesting is seeing how the dynamic holds up between the winners. this term has been my favourite in all my time playing because while each of our headmins has a different view and approach to what they want to see become reality, they've actually been very good at co-ordinating together and keeping track of it all. what little i can reveal behind the scenes is that whatever disagreements they may have they put them aside to keep everything running smoothly and remain productive in their approach. they pick their battles intelligently. they don't seem to get caught up in petty squabbles and instead focus on the bigger picture. it's a quality which we should cherish, as it's very hard to come by. i'm way too headstrong for it. i hope the new term can continue that trend.

hey goof, you good?

i'm genuinely concerned.

ive come up with funny platforms for like 20 elections, why do i gotta be funny every time?

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:54 am ive come up with funny platforms for like 20 elections, why do i gotta be funny every time?

Well, it's expected of you to do a half serious half joking campaign thread, and saying "I fucking suck and I make people miserable. I deserve death for it, and I'm an asshole, I suck. If you vote for me you're voting for someone who sucks and is a dick. No campaign promises" is about as 180 and depressing as you can get without pulling a Kurt Cobain + shotgun combo.

Lmao I got a funky review of my thread, thanks lolswat.

Goof 2024 And All Future Years Too

dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:38 am all excellent contenders so far. i enjoyed all of their intro posts and what they want to bring to the table. there aren't really any bad choices.

what will be interesting is seeing how the dynamic holds up between the winners. this term has been my favourite in all my time playing because while each of our headmins has a different view and approach to what they want to see become reality, they've actually been very good at co-ordinating together and keeping track of it all. what little i can reveal behind the scenes is that whatever disagreements they may have they put them aside to keep everything running smoothly and remain productive in their approach. they pick their battles intelligently. they don't seem to get caught up in petty squabbles and instead focus on the bigger picture. it's a quality which we should cherish, as it's very hard to come by. i'm way too headstrong for it. i hope the new term can continue that trend.

I will fight the other members of the triumvirate in a rage cage. Only the robust will remain.

Chadley or Kinnebian dream.....I just wish kinneb had something about events with players.

Goof campaign over in record time

Domitius wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:53 am

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:07 amnvm, first

First question for the first candidate.

How well do you handle criticism? If the criticism is purely a complaint do you still believe there is value in it and do you have a way to handle vitriol thrown at you? Do you think you could be sweet talked into making decisions you normally wouldn't?

I think Ive proven myself to be open to feedback and willing to change.
Ive talked down an angry mannycord from blind hate to actual constructive feedback
Ive on multiple occasions reached out to get the opinions of players whos views are typically dissenting

I'm always genuinely open for feedback, and 100% willing to listen and change.
If public bans dont work out, theyre terrible and its hated by our playerbase? We can change it, we can revert it. I dont have to be constantly 100% on all of my policies. If someone else can convince me something else is better, thats the one I'll go with.

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:23 am

Domitius wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:53 am

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:07 amnvm, first

First question for the first candidate.

How well do you handle criticism? If the criticism is purely a complaint do you still believe there is value in it and do you have a way to handle vitriol thrown at you? Do you think you could be sweet talked into making decisions you normally wouldn't?

I think Ive proven myself to be open to feedback and willing to change.
Ive talked down an angry mannycord from blind hate to actual constructive feedback
Ive on multiple occasions reached out to get the opinions of players whos views are typically dissenting

I'm always genuinely open for feedback, and 100% willing to listen and change.
If public bans dont work out, theyre terrible and its hated by our playerbase? We can change it, we can revert it. I dont have to be constantly 100% on all of my policies. If someone else can convince me something else is better, thats the one I'll go with.

Err, is "making all bans, even temp ones" even a headmin policy thing, or is that a coding thing?

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:54 am

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:23 am

Domitius wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:53 am

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:07 amnvm, first

First question for the first candidate.

How well do you handle criticism? If the criticism is purely a complaint do you still believe there is value in it and do you have a way to handle vitriol thrown at you? Do you think you could be sweet talked into making decisions you normally wouldn't?

I think Ive proven myself to be open to feedback and willing to change.
Ive talked down an angry mannycord from blind hate to actual constructive feedback
Ive on multiple occasions reached out to get the opinions of players whos views are typically dissenting

I'm always genuinely open for feedback, and 100% willing to listen and change.
If public bans dont work out, theyre terrible and its hated by our playerbase? We can change it, we can revert it. I dont have to be constantly 100% on all of my policies. If someone else can convince me something else is better, thats the one I'll go with.

Err, is "making all bans, even temp ones" even a headmin policy thing, or is that a coding thing?

100% headmin action. I dont see it ever happening without a headmin team behind it.

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:17 am Chadley or Kinnebian dream.....I just wish kinneb had something about events with players.

I most definitely wouldve included it if I had known it would be such a prominent point in the threads. I might brainstorm something and put it in my campaign later tonight.

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:02 am

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:17 am Chadley or Kinnebian dream.....I just wish kinneb had something about events with players.

I most definitely wouldve included it if I had known it would be such a prominent point in the threads. I might brainstorm something and put it in my campaign later tonight.

If you want an idea you can use discord threads/feedback systems for a fast response way of letting players pitch ideas

Very strong first batch of candidates, and even more to go through now

also congrats strider

congrats strider on your incoming election subforum post approval

hold on i didn't check the board yesterday is striders hostpick?

We have our hostvote so I can make the first tier list tonight after we get a few more candidates in

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:22 pm We have our hostvote so I can make the first tier list tonight after we get a few more candidates in

i asked striders if he was the hostvote and he said no