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Posted: **Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:55 pm**

Bottom post of the previous page:

https://discord.com/channels/326822144233439242/808425762217656330/873235156029300836 wrote:It is time for head coders accept a new paradigm where they sit under the host, as head admins do.

Things can not continue as things once have. I will continue to get frustrated at feeling powerless in matters involving coderbus until that frustration leads me to abandon all protocol, as it did today.

The solution is obvious.

?

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:33 am**

Oh and btw tgstation is not only the largest server but also the easiest to get into, MSO does not need to worry about the server dying. If he does give, it’s of his own accord.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:06 am**

terranaut wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote: lmao you are such a fucking clown
stay mad, rent free, etc.
3 hours passed and im still laughing about this so yeah you got me, at least on the rent free
i don't know whose sympathies you aim to get by just ignoring someone's point because you don't like it and throwing around the white supremacist card, or any other completely irrelevant non-arguments that just attack someones character (without any evidence, too), but at best you'll only get the people who care more about virtue signaling/bandwagoning than actual issues being addressed

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:15 am**

actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote: lmao you are such a fucking clown
stay mad, rent free, etc.
3 hours passed and im still laughing about this so yeah you got me, at least on the rent free
i don't know whose sympathies you aim to get by just ignoring someone's point because you don't like it and throwing around the white supremacist card, or any other completely irrelevant non-arguments that just attack someones character (without any evidence, too), but at best you'll only get the people who care more about virtue signaling/bandwagoning than actual issues being addressed

damn that's wild have you ever tried using DS4Windows to set a USB-connected PS4 controller to constantly vibrate against your perinium

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:19 am**

Malkraz wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote: lmao you are such a fucking clown
stay mad, rent free, etc.
3 hours passed and im still laughing about this so yeah you got me, at least on the rent free
i don't know whose sympathies you aim to get by just ignoring someone's point because you don't like it and throwing around the white supremacist card, or any other completely irrelevant non-arguments that just attack someones character (without any evidence, too), but at best you'll only get the people who care more about virtue signaling/bandwagoning than actual issues being addressed

damn that's wild have you ever tried using DS4Windows to set a USB-connected PS4 controller to constantly vibrate against your perinium

yeah I had to go to a doctor for cumming too hard

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:27 am**

Coder genocide is a real thing.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:52 am**

actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote: lmao you are such a fucking clown
stay mad, rent free, etc.
3 hours passed and im still laughing about this so yeah you got me, at least on the rent free
i don't know whose sympathies you aim to get by just ignoring someone's point because you don't like it and throwing around the white supremacist card, or any other completely irrelevant non-arguments that just attack someones character (without any evidence, too), but at best you'll only get the people who care more about virtue signaling/bandwagoning than actual issues being addressed

White genocide is a real thing.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:02 am**

actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote: lmao you are such a fucking clown
stay mad, rent free, etc.
3 hours passed and im still laughing about this so yeah you got me, at least on the rent free
i don't know whose sympathies you aim to get by just ignoring someone's point because you don't like it and throwing around the white supremacist card, or any other completely irrelevant non-arguments that just attack someones character (without any evidence, too), but at best you'll only get the people who care more about virtue signaling/bandwagoning than actual issues being addressed

Out of anything I have said, the fact that this somehow gets to stay rent free in your head is hilarious. Rrrrrgh, this guy thinks white genocide is real, he must be a white surpremacist grrrr. Let's just sweep the atrocities that happen in South Africa under the rug here, right? Anyway, when is your next self-imposed exile from the community?

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:07 am**

MrStonedOne wrote:White genocide is a real thing.

It really fucking isn't

TheMythicGhost wrote:Out of anything I have said, the fact that this somehow gets to stay rent free in your head is hilarious. Rrrrrgh, this guy thinks white genocide is real, he must be a white surpremacist grrrr. Let's just sweep the atrocities that happen in South Africa under the rug here, right? Anyway, when is your next self-imposed exile from the community?

Yes, believing in a white supremacist conspiracy theory that either refers to "great replacement" racist bullshit or the narrative that pro apartheid white supremacist groups are pushing in south africa that farmers are being genocided when there's no evidence or data to actually back this up makes you a white supremacist.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:15 am**

so did coders back off from "gugu gaga no bee emoji in pr" and made peace with mso?

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:21 am**

TheMythicGhost wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote: lmao you are such a fucking clown
stay mad, rent free, etc.
3 hours passed and im still laughing about this so yeah you got me, at least on the rent free
i don't know whose sympathies you aim to get by just ignoring someone's point because you don't like it and throwing around the white supremacist card, or any other completely irrelevant non-arguments that just attack someones character (without any evidence, too), but at best you'll only get the people who care more about virtue signaling/bandwagoning than actual issues being addressed

Out of anything I have said, the fact that this somehow gets to stay rent free in your head is hilarious. Rrrrrgh, this guy thinks white genocide is real, he must be a white surpremacist grrrr. Let's just sweep the atrocities that happen in South Africa under the rug here, right? Anyway, when is your next self-imposed exile from the community?

you really cant make this shit up

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:38 am**

MrStonedOne wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote: lmao you are such a fucking clown
stay mad, rent free, etc.
3 hours passed and im still laughing about this so yeah you got me, at least on the rent free
i don't know whose sympathies you aim to get by just ignoring someone's point because you don't like it and throwing around the white supremacist card, or any other completely irrelevant non-arguments that just attack someones character (without any evidence, too), but at best you'll only get the people who care more about virtue signaling/bandwagoning than actual issues being addressed

White genocide is a real thing.

oh no

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:54 am**

>>>/#politics-containment/

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:56 am**

And thus the code jannie and actual jannies derail another thread criticizing their friends with something completely irrelevant. Happens every time haha

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:58 am**

actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote:
actioninja wrote:
terranaut wrote: lmao you are such a fucking clown
stay mad, rent free, etc.
3 hours passed and im still laughing about this so yeah you got me, at least on the rent free
i don't know whose sympathies you aim to get by just ignoring someone's point because you don't like it and throwing around the white supremacist card, or any other completely irrelevant non-arguments that just attack someones character (without any evidence, too), but at best you'll only get the people who care more about virtue signaling/bandwagoning than actual issues being addressed

you still didn't address his point
let me spell it out for you
i dont give a shit about your opinion on politics, nor this guys, and neither does anyone with two braincells to rub together, because it's completely fucking irrelevant to playing the game here
what i do care about is people who hold some kind of position supposed to fill some kind of function, actually fulfilling that function. i just want all virtue signaling and identity politics peddling fucks to go back to digg or preferably back into their caves and off the internet completely, shrivel up and spend the rest of their days inhaling each others petrid fumes in the fetal position

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:59 am**

gonna white genocide all politics posters in a second here

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:54 am**

im POC silence white boy

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:18 am**

Flatulent wrote:im POC silence white boy

I'm poc (person of code)

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:18 am**

White genocide was probably a real thing som place someday

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:56 am**

skyrat's been doing a lot of white genocide am i right guys haha erp servers are wildinnn

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:56 am**

white genocide in their PANTS.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:04 am**

wtf admin doublepost, armhulen genocide

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:16 am**

Political orientation does not play a role in this situation, it is very disingenuous to bring this up and to disparage another person without addressing their points. Actionninja, it would be very preferable if you focused on the essentials of this discussion, which is for example, how to get the disco inferno shuttle reinstated as soon as possible. I would very much appreciate the shift in this direction.

With warm regards
-BONERMASTER

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:17 am**

Farquaar wrote:Does this mean we can finally remove felinids?

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:49 am**

TheMythicGhost wrote:
terranaut wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:gimme a quick run down
mso declares himself headcoder because fuck coders, coders/codejannies are seething.
About time too. Hopefully he doesn't cave on this one. I mean what are they going to do, host their own server? Okay, good luck having to manage the server, codebase, and playerbase. Good luck having to manage remote user access. Good luck getting a full-time free hosting schema, and support technician to have the thing as a passion project. Not to mention, say bye bye to the forums that are hosted on his domain too. He completely has them by the balls, and if they want to leave, okay sure go ahead. It's about time someone fucking reined in oranges, he's been out of line for way too long.

For the sake of moving the thread somewhere without actioninja's input:

MSO does not own the domain.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:55 am**

Who does?

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:02 am**

SuGGon_95

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:15 am**

after three days of not sleeping you start to hallucinate
I'm on day one of my three-day plan on how to learn to post in this shitshow of a thread

after the third day the shadow people will guide me and teach me how to epicly own everyone I dislike (starting with bonermaster, fuck you, disco inferno is a bad shuttle and a shitshow called by caps who just want a way to grief knowing full well that it's impossible for the common man to retaliate)

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:17 am**

you can retaliate by throwing the captain off his shitty shuttle

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:31 am**

this doesn't solve the problem that everyone riding that shitty shuttle's at a 80% chance of dying in a plasmafire
and also why I don't like the solution that everyone always thinks is a silver bullet of "just kill them, lol??"

Throwing the captain off his shitty shuttle doesn't solve the problem that the shuttle is there - hell, nothing solves the problem. After he buys it, anyone taking the shuttle is (generally) fucked. I've seen one, maybe two disco infernos make it to centcom without turning the people inside into barbeque-ready charcoal.
Your options are to take a pod or to suck shit, pack a bag of burn chems, and snag a fireman's outfit. And there's fuck all you can do else about it aside from "helping yourself maybe survive better."
Captain gets away with his legal, authorized grief that typically results in multiple people losing their lives, because it's Funny

and A Captain Gimmick

.

Rule 10, you die in spessmen, dying is natural and even traitors don't get shit from redtexting, so there's no incentive to really survive outside of "wow! i did it

", especially when it's a shuttle that, once launched, means there's 2 minutes to the round finishing. It doesn't stop it from being annoying or pointless grief though.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:33 am**

why exactly do you consider the absolute guaranteed last 3 minutes of the game ending in a plasma inferno to be a problem in the first place? shuttle grief never bothered me, you know for a fact you will be playing again in 5 minutes and dont run risk of lying dead in maint for 2 hours
like you even said it yourself, its irrelevant. i really dont get it, it's just someones idea of senseless fun and fits the overall theme of the game

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:34 am**

I genuinely have no idea why I consider it to be a problem, shuttle bombing was one of my old kicks that would always put a smile on my face when done right
I'm waiting for the shadow people to come and give me guidance on this one.

It just irritates me for some fuckin reason

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:40 am**

i think what are you trying to express is that people burning are more boring than people being blown up or dying from guns or melee aster round end.
i think improving the audio and the fire sprite would improve the dramatic effect over the current white-yellow screen

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:55 am**

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:i think what are you trying to express is that people burning are more boring than people being blown up or dying from guns or melee aster round end.
i think improving the audio and the fire sprite would improve the dramatic effect over the current white-yellow screen

pretty sure my problem is more that I get mad when non-antags just grief people because it's funny regardless of how long they have to endure it for

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:56 am**

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:
Tlaltecuhtli wrote:i think what are you trying to express is that people burning are more boring than people being blown up or dying from guns or melee aster round end.
i think improving the audio and the fire sprite would improve the dramatic effect over the current white-yellow screen
pretty sure my problem is more that I get mad when non-antags just grief people because it's funny regardless of how long they have to endure it for

*slips you as nonantag*

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:31 am**

Omega_DarkPotato wrote: because it's funny

we are all here to have fun

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:41 am**

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:how to epicly own everyone I dislike (starting with bonermaster, fuck you, disco inferno is a bad shuttle

>disliking
>BONERMASTER
sir i think you have a typo here
Also both BONER and Terra were joking in their first posts you missed the joke friend.....

Anyway I don't see how Disco Inferno is even remotely on-topic but it sure as hell beats talking about white genocide.
Also

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:SuGGon_95

More like... SuGGon_Dees...

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:50 am**

Daniel is better than disco inferno
prove me right.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:53 am**

daniel was the tiny flying living room right
i liked it
i like all meme/special shuttles honestly, couldnt care less if i die on the shuttle as long as its funny

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:03 pm**

you’re all wrong on the fact that round will end soon.

NEVER FORGET THE 410% TD DISCO INFERNO THAT LASTED 20 MINUTES

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:19 pm**

Flatulent wrote:you’re all wrong on the fact that round will end soon.

NEVER FORGET THE 410% TD DISCO INFERNO THAT LASTED 20 MINUTES

this will get better now that mso is headheadcoder and will force c*ders to write better code before feature bloating stuff nobody wants

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:20 pm**

Is this actually all over a bee emoji?

Lmao people need to get a grip if it is it's a bee emoji it's not even a big deal????

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:43 pm**

Misdoubtful wrote:Is this actually all over a bee emoji?

Lmao people need to get a grip if it is it's a bee emoji it's not even a big deal????

It’s about the maintainers sperging out and deleting a vitally needed bug fix PR over a bee emoji in the title, MSO telling them not to frivolously delete PRs for dumb shit, then them sperging out because they never agreed to not be retards.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:48 pm**

Misdoubtful wrote:Is this actually all over a bee emoji?

Lmao people need to get a grip if it is it's a bee emoji it's not even a big deal????

1)bee emoji made in pr https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/60701 get closed by maintainer that can edit title and desc with a single botton press ( and tells person to make a new whole pr)
2)this makes mso flip the table and add guideline that maintainers shouldnt close prs for piss poor reasons https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/60733/files
3) maintainers mald and tell mso to step down or they ll make a new server
4) maintainers calm down and accept mso as head coder

end of timeline

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:58 pm**

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:
Misdoubtful wrote:Is this actually all over a bee emoji?

Lmao people need to get a grip if it is it's a bee emoji it's not even a big deal????
1)bee emoji made in pr https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/60701 get closed by maintainer that can edit title and desc with a single botton press ( and tells person to make a new whole pr)
2)this makes mso flip the table and add guideline that maintainers shouldnt close prs for piss poor reasons https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/60733/files
3) maintainers mald and tell mso to step down or they ll make a new server
4) maintainers calm down and accept mso as head coder

end of timeline

damn i didn't know i was speaking to the man from 2054. how's medbay in recent years?

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:26 pm**

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:
Misdoubtful wrote:Is this actually all over a bee emoji?

Lmao people need to get a grip if it is it's a bee emoji it's not even a big deal????
1)bee emoji made in pr https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/60701 get closed by maintainer that can edit title and desc with a single botton press ( and tells person to make a new whole pr)
2)this makes mso flip the table and add guideline that maintainers shouldnt close prs for piss poor reasons https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/60733/files
3) maintainers mald and tell mso to step down or they ll make a new server
4) maintainers calm down and accept mso as head coder

end of timeline

Agent, you are not to interfere with the timeline. Follow the plan. Capture Yulaw.

With warm regards
-MultiVerse Authority™

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:00 pm**

I wonder if MSO would approve bringing nanites back...

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:18 pm**

commemorate this moment by having every round spawn a book containing the script to the Bee Movie.

Well guys, ya like jazz?

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:24 pm**

Gigapuddi420 wrote:commemorate this moment by having every round spawn a book containing the script to the Bee Movie.

Well guys, ya like jazz?

Bee movie, without fail, finding itself once again in the center of the drama.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:44 pm**

the absolute division was a mistake

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:53 pm**

Misdoubtful wrote:Is this actually all over a bee emoji?

Lmao people need to get a grip if it is it's a bee emoji it's not even a big deal????

The reasons are naturally more complex than the weird fanfic that's being painted here.

It started some time ago, MSO started being more active on development after years of inactivity.
He found a lot of things changed during his absence, and there was a different contribution culture from when he directed development long ago.
In particular, he had/has a hard time conciliating views with the newer maintainers, who brought a lot of changes in standards and procedures into the codebase.
I assume there have been other factors as well, as MSO has butted heads several times with several maintainers, and we got a few unkind words from him, me included though I wasn't actually the author of what he was complaining about.

Many small things that by themselves are not worth much ended up getting on his nerves, and that exploded in parts in two moments.

First was the slips one: there was a bug that made some turfs perma-slippery and he asked on how to fix it live. A maintainer gave him the wrong proc for him to call with SDQL and he permanently broke it for the round, generating a lot of hanging references. That made him very mad, chiefly at the obscurity of admin tools, the lack of support for live-debugging, and things having grown to a complexity in which it wasn't as trivial as before to fix things on the go.
His reaction was to force the test merge of the removal of all slips, declaring there would be no more slipping until admin tools to grant similar control of the game as a few years ago were made. The size of that request is difficult to explain if you don't know the code, but suffice it to say that's far from trivial.

Things were not on good standing by then, he had publicly declared his lack of trust on the team and made it clear he didn't think of us very much (of me and all maintainers who joined the team after he said to lack the critical thinking skills necessary to do the job), so when Timber closed a PR for poor reasons he exploded a bit more violently again, abused his commit access to instantly self-merge a change in the contribution guidelines and declared himself above the headcoders.

The headcoders naturally removed his commit access for its abuse, and the dev team in general, already tired of his rudeness, did not seem inclined to accept this proposed new arrangement.
Spirits rose, threats were made, and as is usual things calmed down.

The aftermath of this is that fewer people have access to the servers now, only a few trusted keyholders. Some maintainer-keyholders lost that privilege.

What does this mean, how does this impact people?
Very little, it changes almost nothing.
A few people who contributed with their spare time so that players wouldn't get disconnected during crashes, to fix things in a more timely manner and to generally maintain the servers lost their access.
The ones who retained it will have a bit more work on their hands, and things might be a little bit slower.
But the game carries on.

Posted: **Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:04 pm**

sooner or later this thread is going to be full of deleted posts I tell you what. Next time just tell actionninja to fuck off with his derail and debate that shit in another thread, all the politics containment nerds are breaking out their 'ACKUALLY...'

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