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"i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:44 am
by GPeckman
Bottom post of the previous page:
The title isn't perfectly accurate, I just thought the quote was funny in this context.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35134
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:51 pm
by EmpressMaia
Why are yall still posting about this
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:11 pm
by BlueMemesauce
Why to admins make silicon policy more confusing than it has to be?
1. Misinterpreting orders is directly allowed in the rules. There is no rule saying when someone orders you to state laws you must assume that they meant state all laws.
2. There is no rule saying you need to ask the roboticist for your "purpose" after being brought online. When has this ever been a thing?
3. He was following his cyborg laws and his nuke op status. He did not have a law saying he couldn't kill everyone on the station, meaning his nuke op antag status still applied and he could kill whoever he wanted (except the robo). Same thing as a traitor asimov borg being able to kill nonhumans.
None of these things are against the rules. Either unban Hoolny or write these secret rules down.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:15 pm
by RedBaronFlyer
EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:51 pm
Why are yall still posting about this
Because it’s funny.
It also shows that silicon policy will always be a clusterfuck whether it’s 500 words or 500,000 words.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:47 pm
by Cheshify
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:15 pm
EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:51 pm
Why are yall still posting about this
Because it’s funny.
It also shows that silicon policy will always be a clusterfuck whether it’s 500 words or 500,000 words.
Silicon policy is not the issue here.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:29 pm
by Turbonerd
This is an 18+ community. People shouldn't have to tell others about every fucking combination of what they can and can't do as if they're a toddler. Just use your brain and play in good faith.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:57 pm
by conrad
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:15 pm
EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:51 pm
Why are yall still posting about this
Because it’s funny.
It also shows that silicon policy will always be a clusterfuck whether it’s 500 words or 500,000 words.
If the problem is silicon policy and nothing you do can change that, then the problem isn't silicon policy. It's people refusing to play with the fun of people around them in mind, only their own.
The hills of /tg/ are littered with the corpses of those that chose to die in them.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:02 pm
by dendydoom
i agree, remove silicons
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:07 pm
by Kendrickorium
if this hits 5 pages i'm politics posting and nothing you can do will stop me
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:13 pm
by conrad
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:07 pm
if this hits 5 pages i'm starsector posting and nothing you can do will stop me
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR THIS POST
So sad Kendrick died bros what a loss
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:32 pm
by iansdoor
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:06 pm
by Ziiro
this thread is like watching a plasma fire in the hallway and then some asshole opens the firelock to your room with a crowbar
why the fuck is there so much non-admin posting in an appeal. why are you both continuing to argue in the peanut.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:56 pm
by Chadley
iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:32 pmLaws.png
Fire fucking edit, thank you, that made me smile.
Society hasn't failed.
The forum is thriving.
Sigilites must SMILE
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:10 pm
by Kendrickorium
conrad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:13 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:07 pm
if this hits 5 pages i'm starsector posting and nothing you can do will stop me
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR THIS POST
So sad Kendrick died bros what a loss
i'll see you on page 5
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:11 pm
by Kendrickorium
iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:32 pmLaws.png
lol switch that around to "can i search your bag?"
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:16 pm
by warbluke
iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:32 pmLaws.png
Him barely avoiding the pointers really adds to the image.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:34 pm
by NoxVS
So even if you theoretically didn’t break any rules by running away to avoid getting any orders, how is it not a violation of laws 1, 3, and 4 to run around sabotaging the station (which breaks secrecy), fighting the crew (which got you killed), and trying to get the nuke disk obtained (which is used to blow up the station your only operative is currently on).
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:35 pm
by Jacquerel
NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:34 pm
So even if you theoretically didn’t break any rules by running away to avoid getting any orders, how is it not a violation of laws 1, 3, and 4 to run around sabotaging the station (which breaks secrecy), fighting the crew (which got you killed), and trying to get the nuke disk obtained (which is used to blow up the station your only operative is currently on).
Don't forget that he only wants to blow up the station because he's a nuclear operative, which one of his laws says he isn't.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:42 pm
by Ziiro
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:35 pm
NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:34 pm
So even if you theoretically didn’t break any rules by running away to avoid getting any orders, how is it not a violation of laws 1, 3, and 4 to run around sabotaging the station (which breaks secrecy), fighting the crew (which got you killed), and trying to get the nuke disk obtained (which is used to blow up the station your only operative is currently on).
Don't forget that he only wants to blow up the station because he's a nuclear operative, which one of his laws says he isn't.
how does he know what his laws are if he never states them? he doesn't have to follow them
checkmate, atheists
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:15 pm
by TheRex9001
Iansdoor is so unlucky to get this many appeals, and one like this all whilst still being a candidate admin
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:54 pm
by Kendrickorium
30 more posts guys
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:47 pm
by BlueMemesauce
NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:34 pm
So even if you theoretically didn’t break any rules by running away to avoid getting any orders, how is it not a violation of laws 1, 3, and 4 to run around sabotaging the station (which breaks secrecy), fighting the crew (which got you killed), and trying to get the nuke disk obtained (which is used to blow up the station your only operative is currently on).
This is correct, and it would be fine if they banned him for breaking his laws. Breaking laws is an actual rule. But they're banning him for misinterpreting orders and not following his "purpose". Neither of those are actual rules.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:35 pm
Don't forget that he only wants to blow up the station because he's a nuclear operative, which one of his laws says he isn't.
Except none of his laws said anything about that what he is, so I have no idea what you're talking about. According to headmin precedent, if there's nothing in the laws saying he's no longer an antag, he's still allowed to act like an antag.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:12 pm
by Jacquerel
BlueMemesauce wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:47 pmExcept none of his laws said anything about that what he is, so I have no idea what you're talking about. According to headmin precedent, if there's nothing in the laws saying he's no longer an antag, he's still allowed to act like an antag.
His laws identify the only syndicate agent on the station as someone who isn't him. That means he isn't one.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:22 pm
by BlueMemesauce
oh dang I didn't even think of that
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:43 pm
by Hoolny
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:12 pm
BlueMemesauce wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:47 pmExcept none of his laws said anything about that what he is, so I have no idea what you're talking about. According to headmin precedent, if there's nothing in the laws saying he's no longer an antag, he's still allowed to act like an antag.
His laws identify the only syndicate agent on the station as someone who isn't him. That means he isn't one.
oh... first of all that wasn't even brought upon the ban appeal so it isn't relevant but I never thought about it in that way I mean you are the only one that did think that.
Anyways it still dosent affect my nukie status though nowhere in my laws does it say me being a syndicate agent or not affects me having rule 4 I am although no longer a syndicate agent still an antagonist I guess with no allegiance to the syndicate but I still have the antag purpose to blow up the station.
Also im 100% sure the roboticist and I can agree that their intention with their laws wasen't that and not even the banning admin thought of that so it isn't very applicable to the situation.
I will still use this in the future thanks for the insight smart thinking
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:48 pm
by conrad
How do we get through seth's thick head that being an antag borg doesn't mean he can break silicon policy by not following his laws?
E: I made this:
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:11 am
by Kendrickorium
conrad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:48 pm
How do we get through seth's thick head that being an antag borg doesn't mean he can break silicon policy by not following his laws?
E: I made this:
this is pretty good, could you take maybe 3-5 posts to explain it though for those who don't get it
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:43 am
by mindstormy
We should start having a longest most ridiculous peanut for the simplest rule break ever award every year. I would like to nominate this peanut for 2023.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:54 am
by oranges
Generally if you're going to relitigate the ban it helps not to follow the exact same debate points that were in the ban appeal that were refuted by the admins, otherwise you just seem kind of crazy.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:39 am
by NoxVS
Hoolny wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:43 pm
nowhere in my laws does it say me being a syndicate agent or not affects me having rule 4 I am although no longer a syndicate agent still an antagonist I guess with no allegiance to the syndicate but I still have the antag purpose to blow up the station.
Law 1: You may not injure a syndicate agent or, through inaction, allow a syndicate agent to come to harm.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:48 am
by BlueMemesauce
then say he's violating his laws instead of saying "purpose" "monopoly of one person's intent" "The only person in your world that mattered" "an act of bad faith play"
none of these things are against silicon policy all you have to do is say "you violated laws 1, 3, and 4"
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:55 am
by BlueMemesauce
By the way you can use ChatGPT to make Hoolny's posts have grammar and spelling.
I don’t think it’s fair for you to take my ban note into account since you pulled that note out of a Discord conversation, not from an ahelp. I feel like it’s compromised evidence to be using.
Syndicate borgs are not computers; they are MMI syndicate agent brains, and they have their own independent purposes. This is explained by both S.E.L.F. Lore and in-game when you are gibbed as a borg, leaving a brain behind.
Regarding the laws given, they were lazy. They could have done a lot more than just giving me a Freeform law that didn’t take many possibilities into account. It's their own fault that I had the capability of leaving and killing within my laws.
The new law didn’t state I had any different purpose; it just changed the current syndicate agent it aligned to. It did not say, “Protect this syndicate agent at all costs, stay next to them all the time.” It simply said not to let them get harmed and to follow their orders. Why is the leap being made that I am obligated to stay next to them when the laws given do not state this as a fact?
I don’t know what the intention of the roboticist was, but baseline, my purpose as a nuclear operative is to get the disk or help to get the disk. I was revived and wanted to do so, and I saw no reason to stay, for my laws didn’t say I had to.
Also, it’s not like I wasn’t planning to come back to robotics. I was actually trying to get to robotics since I was getting gunned down, and all my modules were broken. Unfortunately, I got killed before I could make it there, which would have opened the possibility to converse with them.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:29 am
by cSeal
dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:02 pm
i agree, remove silicons
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:37 am
by Kendrickorium
we are getting so close guys keep it going
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:30 am
by Indie-ana Jones
The only time I've wanted Starfield to take over a thread.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:35 am
by Hoolny
mindstormy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:43 am
We should start having a longest most ridiculous peanut for the simplest rule break ever award every year. I would like to nominate this peanut for 2023.
It was not a simple clear cut rule break I’m tired of having to type on the forums so I’m not gonna elaborate further on this.
Nowhere in the laws did it say I had to stay and wait for orders to be given.
If this was so simple and clear this fucking dumbass policy discussion would t have lasted more than 3 pages.
My fucking wrists hurts after typing that much over the discussion something that I had never happened in my entire life of typing stuff
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:35 am
by Hoolny
mindstormy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:43 am
We should start having a longest most ridiculous peanut for the simplest rule break ever award every year. I would like to nominate this peanut for 2023.
It was not a simple clear cut rule break I’m tired of having to type on the forums so I’m not gonna elaborate further on this.
Nowhere in the laws did it say I had to stay and wait for orders to be given.
If this was so simple and clear this fucking dumbass policy discussion would t have lasted more than 3 pages.
My fucking wrists hurts after typing that much over the discussion something that I had never happened in my entire life of typing stuff
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:37 am
by mstachife
Damn I need to keep that in mind when I play AI, you can just ignore your laws on if you just kill comms and stare at your core.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:34 am
by Imitates-The-Lizards
mstachife wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:37 am
Damn I need to keep that in mind when I play AI, you can just ignore your laws on if you just kill comms and stare at your core.
What's your master plan for when someone just uses one of the many, many wall intercoms on the station?
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:36 am
by TheRex9001
Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:34 am
mstachife wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:37 am
Damn I need to keep that in mind when I play AI, you can just ignore your laws on if you just kill comms and stare at your core.
What's your master plan for when someone just uses one of the many, many wall intercoms on the station?
Turn off the one in the core
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:13 am
by Jacquerel
Hoolny wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:35 am
If this was so simple and clear this fucking dumbass policy discussion would t have lasted more than 3 pages.
I'm afraid that this has no bearing, people can argue in perpetuity about anything this only says that one or more of the participants is stubborn and has no particular bearing on the merits of their arguments.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:13 pm
by GPeckman
Hoolny in Appeal Thread wrote:
When it comes to the laws given they where lazy they could have done a lot more than just giving me a Freeform law that didn’t take a lot of possibilities into account it’s their own fault that I had the capability of leaving and killing within my laws.
Unfortunately it's not quite that simple. See, most law boards (especially ones that can delete laws instead of just adding them) cost both diamonds and bluespace crystals, but the freeform board only costs gold. As it happened, the miners didn't get any diamonds that round, so freeform was the only option.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:24 pm
by Kendrickorium
WE ARE SO CLOSE GUYS
SO CLOSE
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:36 pm
by Hoolny
didnt you say you where gona start at page 4 anyways
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:04 pm
by EmpressMaia
The Banning admin finally responded
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:26 pm
by Jacquerel
EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:04 pm
The Banning admin finally responded
you're 23 hours late
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:30 pm
by EmpressMaia
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:26 pm
EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:04 pm
The Banning admin finally responded
you're 23 hours late
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:55 pm
by conrad
Where's Kendrick? We're getting to page 5.
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:13 pm
by dendydoom
PAGE 5 LET'S GO I WOULD RATHER HEAR ABOUT STARSECTOR THAN READ ANY MORE OF THIS GISH GALLOPPING
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:40 pm
by conrad
dendydoom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:13 pm
PAGE 5 LET'S GO I WOULD RATHER HEAR ABOUT STARSECTOR THAN READ ANY MORE OF THIS GISH GALLOPPING
GISH GALLOPPING
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:14 pm
by Stabbystab
Let’s lock it before we get to page 5 to really mess with kendrick
Re: "i refused to state my laws because i was waiting to roll midround malf, officer" nut
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:15 pm
by Kendrickorium
conrad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:55 pm
Where's Kendrick? We're getting to page 5.
i have literally been counting down since page 3
