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https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/79638Moth's critique could also be perceived as to what specifically to learn to help with the related issues Viro had with their sprites.conrad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:46 amThat was a cool response, and I see that you're passionate about the player's club. I think if you study some rethoric and learn proper formal logic you'd be able to produce much better, readable arguments for both yourself and the player's club.Constellado wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:34 am Idk how but my brain does not see that sentence posted here as condescending at all to me.
Not sure what about it makes it condescending other than maybe if you dont agree with some of the points there? Implications that they dont make great sprites? ehh. Depends on who you are I guess. I have been taught by people in the art world that would make comments that sound mega condescending and it can still be very good advice. If they speak like that when criticising your work, then thats how they are. If you don't like that, then give them pointers on how to improve back, or just ignore them. Don't fight them for it. Fighting them over it is just going to get more of what you don't like. People do not change how they talk easily.
Some people really cannot take criticism. Which is a shame, really..
But even then, what could Moth have done to sound nicer? Just.. not post? Yeah, I dont know. criticism is criticism.
Is it clearer now?
It is!conrad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:46 amThat was a cool response, and I see that you're passionate about the player's club. I think if you study some rethoric and learn proper formal logic you'd be able to produce much better, readable arguments for both yourself and the player's club.Constellado wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:34 am Idk how but my brain does not see that sentence posted here as condescending at all to me.
Not sure what about it makes it condescending other than maybe if you dont agree with some of the points there? Implications that they dont make great sprites? ehh. Depends on who you are I guess. I have been taught by people in the art world that would make comments that sound mega condescending and it can still be very good advice. If they speak like that when criticising your work, then thats how they are. If you don't like that, then give them pointers on how to improve back, or just ignore them. Don't fight them for it. Fighting them over it is just going to get more of what you don't like. People do not change how they talk easily.
Some people really cannot take criticism. Which is a shame, really..
But even then, what could Moth have done to sound nicer? Just.. not post? Yeah, I dont know. criticism is criticism.
Is it clearer now?
P much yeah
This is probably the part I find the most amusing. People have been super toxic to viro to the point of absurdity (which seems like an eye for an eye thing if you ask me), which viro seems to take pleasure in, but someone trying to be overly polite to the point of coming across as condescending makes them blow up. I can almost guarantee the thing that threw them over the line to exploding was the final line where Moff (intentionally or not) implied that they should practice color theory.DaydreamIQ wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:10 am Maybe TG players are so used to everyone being toxic douchebags that someone coming along and being genuinely positive is too much for them to handle. Call it a hot take or whatever but I see nothing wrong with Moth's post, being condescending was clearly not the intention and anyone fuelling that fire needs their head checked.
Stolen meme I know but its somewhat appropriateRedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:39 am This is probably the part I find the most amusing. People have been super toxic to viro to the point of absurdity (which seems like an eye for an eye thing if you ask me), which viro seems to take pleasure in, but someone trying to be overly polite to the point of coming across as condescending makes them blow up. I can almost guarantee the thing that threw them over the line to exploding was the final line where Moff (intentionally or not) implied that they should practice color theory.
anyone up to date on their Viro lore knows that they went to art school (or something) and have been spriting FOR YEAAAAAARS, which they bring up every time someone who hasn't sprited more sprites, been spriting longer than them, been there longer than them, and isn't a spritetainer criticizes their sprites.
To Viro's credit, they have a consistent color scheme, their color scheme is just (mostly) ugly.
Oh hey, I made that. You can tell because it's fucking massive and I constantly forget to downside the template.DaydreamIQ wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:28 amStolen meme I know but its somewhat appropriateRedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:39 am This is probably the part I find the most amusing. People have been super toxic to viro to the point of absurdity (which seems like an eye for an eye thing if you ask me), which viro seems to take pleasure in, but someone trying to be overly polite to the point of coming across as condescending makes them blow up. I can almost guarantee the thing that threw them over the line to exploding was the final line where Moff (intentionally or not) implied that they should practice color theory.
anyone up to date on their Viro lore knows that they went to art school (or something) and have been spriting FOR YEAAAAAARS, which they bring up every time someone who hasn't sprited more sprites, been spriting longer than them, been there longer than them, and isn't a spritetainer criticizes their sprites.
To Viro's credit, they have a consistent color scheme, their color scheme is just (mostly) ugly.Spoiler:
Good to see them taking responsibility and understanding what they did wrong.yeah, ok. gonna come back to this, I'd post this in /tg/discord but I am banned, and most likely will be banned here sooner then later: I am not gonna make a spiel about this, because it's boring, but a friend talked to me recently and has regarded me as being a massive fucking asshole, so. gonna work on some stuff.
player's club, since I know you are watching this: yes, I am an asshole, you can post your ripbozo memes now. to @MoffNyan: I apologise for how I spoke to you, and I apologise for misinterpreting what you said. I am sure this comment will be trolled and made fun of in the forums, but it is sincere.
so, i'mma take a break for like, two months, and i'mma come back later. shit's been goin' on, and I should prob' reassess how I act.
anyway >inb4 post hidden due to being marked as off-topic
Vekter they did the same tearful "youtuber who got cancelled" apology song and dance last time, and they absolutely didn't learn from it or grow as a person.
mc-oofert wrote:good riddance
Yeah, like. Bless Vekter's heart for believing that Viro's just Going Through A Rough Patch (in his comment in the github) but no, this is just kinda who Viro is. They're not someone who struggles with anger issues but does their best. They're just a cunt. They're like this even when something hasn't been done to them to make them angry. They will just be a contrarian cunt to someone who happens to be talking in the same place as them.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:50 am i dislike that the conversation has degenerated to comparing someone that tries their damn hardest to be nice to someone who spends their time getting a rise out of people getting angry
viro is consistently and purposefully condescending 24/7. i dont think i particularly give any fucking shits about trying to weigh the scales against someone that was just trying to be nice
Yeah it's condescending, but he set himself up for it, which makes the entire thing pure Schadenfreude because Viro started the PR with pure flamebait and was being an ass to everyone (You might have missed this because of the edits). Trying to flamebait and being the one to completely blow up because of one sentence on a post with legit feedback will never not be funny, especially because the condescending part was apparently unintentional. Dude went as far as making a doxing threat.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:46 am I can't see what world:
Isn't insanely elitist and condescending.Sorry this was a long read, but I honestly do feel like you have the ability to make great sprites! If you continue to study colour theory and the design principals of picking out "focal points" you should be able to improve and make sprites that can make both yourself and others happy!
Stop acting like its wholesome.
Ok then he can be toxic there.Capsandi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:16 am I agree with goof an I won't be at all surprised when that two months becomes forever when viro realizes there are much more fulfilling avenues with which to leverage a competence at spiriting than to contribute to a project infested with end users who hate project contributions.
Unironically if he finds somewhere which actually appreciates his work more than we do and then people stop fighting him over it this is a good end for all parties involved.Capsandi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:16 am I agree with goof an I won't be at all surprised when that two months becomes forever when viro realizes there are much more fulfilling avenues with which to leverage a competence at spiriting than to contribute to a project infested with end users who hate project contributions.
Allow me to give you a recent example of the apparent bias in favor of Viro. To the best of my knowledge, Viro has not gotten so much as a single-day ban on Github, even after all they shit they pulled. But someone said "Good riddance" after Viro closed the PR and got permabanned from Github. Now, I'm not saying that the "good riddance" comment isn't banworthy, but I just can't see a world in which that is banworthy and yet nothing Viro did is worth a Github ban of any length. Does that make a little more sense?NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:53 am Iunno why anyone here in the thread is convinced viro has special privileges like he isn't at the end of an extremely short rope with the team as is. He literally got told, in this PR, he is going to get his pr's closed if his attitude doesn't improve and he doesn't stop trying to invite aggression towards himself. He is actively making things worse for everyone by behaving like that.
