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Capsandi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:21 pm This is why i keep an antag token on me at all times so that when my international network of assmad assistant mains whom I look good in comparison to is found out, I can use rule 4 protection to avoid a ban for orchestrating the psychological torment of emptyposters by proxy. It will be like the banhammer will be swung at me and then the token will explode and the shockwave will stop the ban hammer like one of them tank armors.

BonChoi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:49 pm Forum poster newbie makes shitty thread title

oranges wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm holy shit page 5

BonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:34 pm

oranges wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm holy shit page 5

I am a proud father

Armhulen wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:13 pm
Honestly none of this decides whether the game is going to be job sim or not, changes to Dynamic will set the pace. God I can't wait for the new new new Dynamic that's going to save us all

Nabski wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:45 pm

BonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:34 pm

oranges wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm holy shit page 5

I am a proud father

I am currently in the hospital and it is questionable between if I am going to be the father of a very premature girl or of nothing.

I am having a time right now. This is not a joke post.

zergking wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:29 pm

Nabski wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:45 pm

BonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:34 pm

oranges wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm holy shit page 5

I am a proud father

I am currently in the hospital and it is questionable between if I am going to be the father of a very premature girl or of nothing.

I am having a time right now. This is not a joke post.

Shit man, hope your girl pulls through

Nabski wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:45 pm

BonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:34 pm

oranges wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm holy shit page 5

I am a proud father

I am currently in the hospital and it is questionable between if I am going to be the father of a very premature girl or of nothing.

I am having a time right now. This is not a joke post.

Nabski wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:45 pm

BonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:34 pm

oranges wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm holy shit page 5

I am a proud father

I am currently in the hospital and it is questionable between if I am going to be the father of a very premature girl or of nothing.

I am having a time right now. This is not a joke post.

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:47 am

Nabski wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:45 pm

BonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:34 pm

oranges wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm holy shit page 5

I am a proud father

I am currently in the hospital and it is questionable between if I am going to be the father of a very premature girl or of nothing.

I am having a time right now. This is not a joke post.

sending love Nabski, hope it all goes well

sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.

oranges wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:39 am the permaban is for the blacklist, it's just more detailed than mso's message, if he doesn't like it he probably shouldn't have done all those things.

Timberpoes wrote:[Edit] For clarity's sake, being blacklisted is a ban from the tgstation community with no easy path of return. It is a Discord ban, a game ban and a forum ban. As part of the forum ban, you are also banned from appealing globally. That means you are unable to appeal any unassociated bans or notes; all the bans placed as part of the blacklisting; and the blacklist itself.

Any attempt to appeal via creating new forum accounts or by oversights in banning your forum account that still allows you to post appeals is automatically an appeal against the blacklist, and getting the blacklist removed is the minimum barrier to anything else being appealed.

Appeals by blacklisted players can be and are closed at any time and for any reason, including no reason at all other than the player is blacklisted, by any admin. Only in the most rare and exceptional circumstances of utmost mercy do the headmins permit a blacklist appeal to stay open under their Headminly Discretion, but the final decision always rests with MSO.

GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 am So uh, this happened: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=35398

Sinful created an appeal for the permaban that TBM made, not the blacklist ban that MSO made. It gets locked in 7 minutes flat, because apparently the permaban is also part of the blacklist. At least two people posted "lmao owned" during those 7 minutes; both messages have since been deleted. One of them was a headcoder (you get 3 guesses who, and the first 2 don't count) and the other was an admin. Then, Oranges made a peanut thread, which got locked about 10 minutes after it was created for unclear reasons. I think that's a full summary of the recent events. Now that the summary is out of the way...

sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.

This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.

oranges wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:39 am the permaban is for the blacklist, it's just more detailed than mso's message, if he doesn't like it he probably shouldn't have done all those things.

Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?

Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:12 am I calmed down, so I can say that whatever the headmins got from Scriptis (going by sinful's appeal), it (the entire logs) was never shared in full with us.

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:17 am there's a lot of misinformation in that thread - if that's the story he's been telling his friends, i am not shocked at the stance they've taken on this whole thing. take note of his ban reason and what his thread contained, they're linked tightly by gossamer.

GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:30 am

Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:12 am I calmed down, so I can say that whatever the headmins got from Scriptis (going by sinful's appeal), it (the entire logs) was never shared in full with us.

That is somewhat reassuring.

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:17 am there's a lot of misinformation in that thread - if that's the story he's been telling his friends, i am not shocked at the stance they've taken on this whole thing. take note of his ban reason and what his thread contained, they're linked tightly by gossamer.

Well, like the post above mine (unless I get ninja'd) says, Sinful is not the only one saying this. Other people who were apparently on that server are also saying that much the same thing. While I understand the need for discretion, especially given Sinful's own concerns about that, the lack of transparency is really not helping you guys here. Especially not with admins briefly locking this thread along with every other thread about this topic, and then unlocking this thread, all without comment.

edit: damnit, I DID get ninja'd.

Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:34 am Let me also point out that the other people on that server might either be ignorant or worse, in on it.
The entire issue is that the cord is not publically accessible. It is highly likely that those people who were on the server have a vested interest in saying that the admins were exaggerating.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:46 am Honestly? Very little merit is put in earning the trust and faith of the players in this very limited and specific instance. Information is being kept confidential. I prefer it that way. I'd like to know that if there was a huge leak of my secret ERP metacord that saw me deadminned, the headmins would have more tact than to release all the evidence to the tgstation playerbase.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:46 am Honestly? Very little merit is put in earning the trust and faith of the players in this very limited and specific instance. Information is being kept confidential. I prefer it that way. I'd like to know that if there was a huge leak of my secret ERP metacord that saw me deadminned, the headmins would have more tact than to release all the evidence to the tgstation playerbase.

They're already blacklisted by the host, there's nothing you can do to save them.

Either accept the outcome that MSO has chosen to blacklist them on valid grounds having seen enough evidence to satisfy him that it's appropriate, or assume that MSO has blacklisted two people for shits and giggles and act accordingly (at this point, go to another community with a host you trust is the only solution because this stoner is not for turning).

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:58 am
the issue, as i see it, is that the information was put forth by the banned person. i understand that the headmins wouldn't want to release the information of their own conviction, it just seems wild to me that the appeal was taken down.

im gonna be real, the prospect that being in this community alone allows for any and all of my discord messages to be scoured through makes me a little bit uneasy. something like that requires for me to have a lot of trust and faith to subside my uneasiness.

GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:58 am

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:46 am Honestly? Very little merit is put in earning the trust and faith of the players in this very limited and specific instance. Information is being kept confidential. I prefer it that way. I'd like to know that if there was a huge leak of my secret ERP metacord that saw me deadminned, the headmins would have more tact than to release all the evidence to the tgstation playerbase.

If the admin team was willing to actually accept the lack of trust and deal with it, then that would be understandable. But no, admins want us to take them at their word that the ban was valid, while simultaneously telling us to distrust everyone from the server who says it wasn't valid, because apparently they're complicit or something (are we just supposed to ignore the fact that none of these other players have been blacklisted too? Isn't that what you would do if they were actually complicit?). Memoryholing Sinful's appeal also doesn't make sense even from a confidentiality standpoint. I saw the thread before it got deleted; if any confidential information was possibly leaked there, then it was leaked by Sinful himself, because nobody else posted more than a single sentence.

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:06 am

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:49 am Also it shouldn't come as a surprise that players, infact, don't see 99% of the admin stuff we do. They only see the 1% of appeals and permabans.

If you think this is bad, imagine all the information that's being hidden from you concerning every other permanent ban placed and every other non-permanent ban place and every other note placed that doesn't get appealed!

There must be hundreds of thousands of lines of logs and screenshots and other evidence accompanying bans and notes. The day that the tgstation headmins refused to reveal confidential or private information to you was the most memorable day of your life. For them, it was Tuesday.

Redrover1760 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:14 am This is why I plan to apply as an admin. I want to set things right by looking at the secret logs and coming to the same conclusion the unanimous antag team perspective on the issue has come to and then go ahead and be called a traitor by the players that supported me.

dragomagol wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:30 am

Redrover1760 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:14 am This is why I plan to apply as an admin. I want to set things right by looking at the secret logs and coming to the same conclusion the unanimous antag team perspective on the issue has come to and then go ahead and be called a traitor by the players that supported me.

What you get will not satisfy you. And likewise there's not much to see. You won't always get definitive proof as an admin or headmin. It's just people trying their best, all the way up.

You can choose to believe me or not, but there is no grand conspiracy here. I trust the headmins have done their due diligence, until I have reason to believe that that trust is misplaced.

Redrover1760 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:32 am

Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:46 am Seems like a hit on dissenting opinions to me, and I don't think much outside of direct evidence which I know won't be given is going to make me believe differently. The specificity in targets seems too deliberate to my liking.