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Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:46 am Seems like a hit on dissenting opinions to me, and I don't think much outside of direct evidence which I know won't be given is going to make me believe differently. The specificity in targets seems too deliberate to my liking.

GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 am So uh, this happened: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=35398

Sinful created an appeal for the permaban that TBM made, not the blacklist ban that MSO made. It gets locked in 7 minutes flat, because apparently the permaban is also part of the blacklist. At least two people posted "lmao owned" during those 7 minutes; both messages have since been deleted. One of them was a headcoder (you get 3 guesses who, and the first 2 don't count) and the other was an admin. Then, Oranges made a peanut thread, which got locked about 10 minutes after it was created for unclear reasons. I think that's a full summary of the recent events. Now that the summary is out of the way...

sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.

This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.

oranges wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:39 am the permaban is for the blacklist, it's just more detailed than mso's message, if he doesn't like it he probably shouldn't have done all those things.

Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:36 am alright i get it but why was the appeal made unviewable and then we are told "do not trust the misinformation" - like that just isn't a good look. the only person willing to share an ounce of information on the story is being actively called misinformation? im expecting some kind of fuckin explanation in return here. or not. you don't really have to. but it also means i have zero trust and faith in this entire situation.

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:55 am

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:36 am alright i get it but why was the appeal made unviewable and then we are told "do not trust the misinformation" - like that just isn't a good look. the only person willing to share an ounce of information on the story is being actively called misinformation? im expecting some kind of fuckin explanation in return here. or not. you don't really have to. but it also means i have zero trust and faith in this entire situation.

Blacklist appeal, so hidden. You cant appeal whilst blacklisted from tg. I totally get your frustration though, and I’d like to see more proof too, however it might not happen if the headmins are afraid it comtains personal data

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:51 am

GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 am So uh, this happened: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=35398

Sinful created an appeal for the permaban that TBM made, not the blacklist ban that MSO made. It gets locked in 7 minutes flat, because apparently the permaban is also part of the blacklist. At least two people posted "lmao owned" during those 7 minutes; both messages have since been deleted. One of them was a headcoder (you get 3 guesses who, and the first 2 don't count) and the other was an admin. Then, Oranges made a peanut thread, which got locked about 10 minutes after it was created for unclear reasons. I think that's a full summary of the recent events. Now that the summary is out of the way...

sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.

This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.

oranges wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:39 am the permaban is for the blacklist, it's just more detailed than mso's message, if he doesn't like it he probably shouldn't have done all those things.

Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?

I can in good faith tell you that only the headmins and mso have seen the full log. Only they have had access, and only they will have access.

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:02 am

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:51 am

GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 am So uh, this happened: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=35398

Sinful created an appeal for the permaban that TBM made, not the blacklist ban that MSO made. It gets locked in 7 minutes flat, because apparently the permaban is also part of the blacklist. At least two people posted "lmao owned" during those 7 minutes; both messages have since been deleted. One of them was a headcoder (you get 3 guesses who, and the first 2 don't count) and the other was an admin. Then, Oranges made a peanut thread, which got locked about 10 minutes after it was created for unclear reasons. I think that's a full summary of the recent events. Now that the summary is out of the way...

sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.

This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.

oranges wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:39 am the permaban is for the blacklist, it's just more detailed than mso's message, if he doesn't like it he probably shouldn't have done all those things.

Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?

I can in good faith tell you that only the headmins and mso have seen the full log. Only they have had access, and only they will have access.

assuming you're talking about the "I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern," the headmins were the ones being badmouthed. except fikou i think everyone was chill on fikou

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:21 am like seriously, why the fuck are headmins being sicced on the history of entire discord servers? personally, what drives me the most insane about this entire situation, is the fact that they batcaved 3 admins to try to get them to send over the ENTIRE TRANSCRIPTION of the ENTIRE SERVER. on what fucking hunch? like dear fucking god it's a spaceman game. you can fuck right off if you think you have a god given right to strongman three people into giving an entire transcript of personal information of other people. and then to go through every single god damn message?

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:40 am I've never seen a blacklist appeal get hidden ever I don't think and I was a headmin what the FUCK. It's fully hidden??? That's absolutely crazy. Didn't see the appeal itself because I was zzzz but I wonder what was written on it to get it insta killed.

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:57 am this has been my big takeaway too now. i think the bans/deadminnings were too severe (sinful did NOT deserve a blacklist imo) but i can see the gist of why they were placed i guess? but the headmins getting their hands on 6 MONTHS worth of logs from a private and personal discord server and digging through it looking for infractions is such an INSANE overreach

NoxVS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:34 am

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:57 am this has been my big takeaway too now. i think the bans/deadminnings were too severe (sinful did NOT deserve a blacklist imo) but i can see the gist of why they were placed i guess? but the headmins getting their hands on 6 MONTHS worth of logs from a private and personal discord server and digging through it looking for infractions is such an INSANE overreach

How was the deadminning too far?

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:04 am

NoxVS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:34 am

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:57 am this has been my big takeaway too now. i think the bans/deadminnings were too severe (sinful did NOT deserve a blacklist imo) but i can see the gist of why they were placed i guess? but the headmins getting their hands on 6 MONTHS worth of logs from a private and personal discord server and digging through it looking for infractions is such an INSANE overreach

How was the deadminning too far?

again, i don't know the specific adminbus leak she was dropped for because i haven't gone logdiving myself, and because like sinful said in his appeal, nobody's been given the exact messages they were banned for despite them apparently being shared with the rest of the admin team. but the only screenshots i ever saw charley post from adminbus were of her own posts with zero administrative value (it was a dramatization of some players club drama or a recent public ban iirc?) and one person's equally unimportant reaction to it. maybe she should've gotten a warning or something but deadminning her and stripping her event planner status was an overreaction imo. i don't know what specific breaches of conduct the admin staffing log is referring to, and as far as i know she doesn't either.

for alamo i understand why they were deadminned but i think the permaban on top of that is too much for what was actually said. from what i know, the most private player information they actually shared was sharing that a certain tg player was using a new ckey and revealing said ckey. deadminnable, yeah, sure, but i don't think it warranted the perma

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:04 am nobody's been given the exact messages they were banned for despite them apparently being shared with the rest of the admin team.

Fikou wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:21 am

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:04 am nobody's been given the exact messages they were banned for despite them apparently being shared with the rest of the admin team.

the only messages given to the admin team have been the logs that broke admin conduct, anything else (all the stuff relating to players) is not public

junkgle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:56 am

Fikou wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:21 am

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:04 am nobody's been given the exact messages they were banned for despite them apparently being shared with the rest of the admin team.

the only messages given to the admin team have been the logs that broke admin conduct, anything else (all the stuff relating to players) is not public

i think u misread. she did not imply otherwise

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:06 am for context, here's sinful's appeal before it got got


hope its alright to post this, if its not whatever there it goes

technokek wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:44 pm

c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:06 am for context, here's sinful's appeal before it got got


hope its alright to post this, if its not whatever there it goes

The admins 1984in a thread that puts them in a bad light is pretty concerning and only puts credibility to those concerns.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:40 am I've never seen a blacklist appeal get hidden ever I don't think and I was a headmin what the FUCK. It's fully hidden??? That's absolutely crazy. Didn't see the appeal itself because I was zzzz but I wonder what was written on it to get it insta killed.

In cases like this I can't help but wonder, what was said in malice and what was people venting/coping/trying to show off. Seeing the appeal just killed does leave a bad taste in my mouth.

One lesson that strikes me in all of this is watch what you say in the private GC. People often forget that it's not a safe places where people will just accept all behaviour, they get cozy and break rules and doomer n stuff. You will most likely be held responsible to some extent if you are around these homies even if you yourself are not

ALSO....TO WOULD BE LEAKERS you take pictures of the specific information and send it on. Scraping server logs is one of the biggest scumbag moves you can make imo. All of those private unreleated conversations being read by people? The complete feeling of violation of privacy? Really fucked up hope no one else is subject to this and it's such a fucking concerning trend that's occurring. STOP. DOING. THIS.

Edit: I also hope the people who peanutted on his appeal are punished because they usually aren't.

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:53 pm Why are people surprised that a blacklist appeal got hidden? It's a blacklist. They're not supposed to be able to make a presence on the community. The fact that the Jackrip wasn't hidden was a real shocker to the community. He could've doxxed everyone or sometbing, who knows. The appeals should've never been able to be created in the first place.

kinnebian wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:54 pm

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:53 pm Why are people surprised that a blacklist appeal got hidden? It's a blacklist. They're not supposed to be able to make a presence on the community. The fact that the Jackrip wasn't hidden was a real shocker to the community. He could've doxxed everyone or sometbing, who knows. The appeals should've never been able to be created in the first place.

They usually dont get hidden, it also wouldve been a great oppurtunity to explain their reasoning further, given the confusion and drama around the ban.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:40 am Edit: I also hope the people who peanutted on his appeal are punished because they usually aren't.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:04 pm
The appeal being hidden is a new one, but fuck it they're already headmins there's nothing you can do to stop them.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:23 pm

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:40 am Edit: I also hope the people who peanutted on his appeal are punished because they usually aren't.

More people speaking out of their arses on this one. Full fact reveal.

The peanut post was an oranges shitpost that was in the approval queue.

It was approved by an admin.

I modified the post author to the admin that approved it, then warned that admin for it while dendy was deleting the shitpost.

They had no prior warnings or whatever for forum conduct so it was left at that.

My stance is approving a peanut is the same as posting it yourself. So that's my reasoning for it.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 pm Screaming transparency up until the point it's my ERP logs with kieth being combed through...

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 pmScreaming transparency up until the point it's my ERP logs with kieth being combed through due to an accusation by someone that I took advantage of him last term

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:36 pm i understand you would also like to see it because we like to gossip about appeals but it doesn't help sinfulbliss one way or the other

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:02 pm I always enjoyed interacting with sinful in game and on discord, I'm going to miss him in this community. I understand and respect that a lot of private and personal information is involved in this and as such it won't be released. I don't need to see it and I didn't ask him to see it for that reason. However, it is upsetting to see someone whose presence I enjoyed be removed without ever concretely knowing why. Yes, this is something of an empty post. I'm just frustrated with the dialogue surrounding this and that's unfortunately the only thing in regards to this ban that I can affect.

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:58 pm Nothing good could ever happen from letting a blacklisted person speak. They'll just try to cause more drama.

InternJohn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:28 pm

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:02 pm I always enjoyed interacting with sinful in game and on discord, I'm going to miss him in this community. I understand and respect that a lot of private and personal information is involved in this and as such it won't be released. I don't need to see it and I didn't ask him to see it for that reason. However, it is upsetting to see someone whose presence I enjoyed be removed without ever concretely knowing why. Yes, this is something of an empty post. I'm just frustrated with the dialogue surrounding this and that's unfortunately the only thing in regards to this ban that I can affect.

Agreed. I've known Sinful to be a positive member of the community, just sometimes he could be insufferable in-game. But I've never personally had issues with him, and this entire thing is just very odd. I'm going to miss my friend and his yellow hair.



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Overall I think the collective worry among people is that this was a personal hitjob on Sinful by the admins/MSO. But I don't really know MSO, and I don't think Sinful did either. I do know from reading the appeal, and talking to Sinful on discord, it looks like Sinful was actively seeking out MSO's help to resolve an issue. So it's just incredibly weird that admins/MSO would comb through so many logs of text just to vaporize 2 people like that. I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been, I always expected Sinful to eventually get QC banned, and I wouldn't have been surprised if I saw it, not this...

But there is nothing we can do except either hope MSO becomes merciful, or gives us better understanding of what happened.

Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:54 pm

InternJohn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:28 pm

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:02 pm I always enjoyed interacting with sinful in game and on discord, I'm going to miss him in this community. I understand and respect that a lot of private and personal information is involved in this and as such it won't be released. I don't need to see it and I didn't ask him to see it for that reason. However, it is upsetting to see someone whose presence I enjoyed be removed without ever concretely knowing why. Yes, this is something of an empty post. I'm just frustrated with the dialogue surrounding this and that's unfortunately the only thing in regards to this ban that I can affect.

Agreed. I've known Sinful to be a positive member of the community, just sometimes he could be insufferable in-game. But I've never personally had issues with him, and this entire thing is just very odd. I'm going to miss my friend and his yellow hair.



OIG.DdQ.jpg



Overall I think the collective worry among people is that this was a personal hitjob on Sinful by the admins/MSO. But I don't really know MSO, and I don't think Sinful did either. I do know from reading the appeal, and talking to Sinful on discord, it looks like Sinful was actively seeking out MSO's help to resolve an issue. So it's just incredibly weird that admins/MSO would comb through so many logs of text just to vaporize 2 people like that. I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been, I always expected Sinful to eventually get QC banned, and I wouldn't have been surprised if I saw it, not this...

But there is nothing we can do except either hope MSO becomes merciful, or gives us better understanding of what happened.

Adding my own Sinful fan post to this chain, I really enjoyed Sinful's shennanigans in all the spaces he inhabited and I really will miss him. And this is coming from a forum mod who butted heads with sinful's posts often.