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I don’t like jackrip, he’s ruined many an antag round of mine but...for fucks sake man this jannie is such a fucking loser

OOC: Supah Duper: guy name korolo konzt or something kill me why he do that

this thread in a nutshell

If there were the correct game incentive not to do it you could discourage it. Hitman gives you a worse rating for killing non-targets, for example. I don't know how you'd make that matter here when people have always ignored their objectives, though. Scoreboards or something.

Or just have the game spawn waves of ERT until the round ends like cops in GTA, like someone else suggested. Even if they don't beat them players are still getting back into the round for a chance at revenge.

we have dug to china and are now constructing a space elevator to mars

Farquaar wrote:

NoxVS wrote:There can be fun rounds with a fuckton of chaos. There can be fun rounds without much happening. The chaotic rounds stop being fun when the threat is some guy who has been burnt out and should have quit or become an admin ages ago, but is instead using the lamest methods to guarantee they can keep as many people as possible from playing the game. The slower rounds stop being fun when literally nothing is happening or the only threat is an antag who decided to be friendly and join security. Neither are fun for anyone except a single person.

I like plasmafires. I enjoy dying in a fruitless last stand against an army of spiders. I enjoy watching the lone survivor of a ruined station find an escape pod while the bad guy is looking for him. I giggle like a madman when a wizard blows me to pieces with a fireball for literally no reason other than because he can. And yes, I enjoy running for my life while a crazed serial killer chases me down.

Jaredfogle wrote:This is what happens when you mix the current attempt to codify murderbone into rule legalese (the one in the MRP rules) with bad faith.

Bingo.

All of this is fun to me too. As long as it's not getting hit in the back of the head with a hammer.

cacogen wrote:If there were the correct game incentive not to do it you could discourage it. Hitman gives you a worse rating for killing non-targets, for example. .

And even so there are entire channels who produce content solely around eliminating all 400+ people in the level as efficiently as possible

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jackrip wrote:Do I need to respond to this thread to get a resolution? I feel like krus's whole argument was "korol bad and it was lowpop"

On a more serious and relevant note, admin complaints usually take a little longer than an equally open-and-shut ban appeal because there isn't the same time pressure and headmins are busy bees. (Or at least one of them usually is at any given moment)

cacogen wrote:If there were the correct game incentive not to do it you could discourage it. Hitman gives you a worse rating for killing non-targets, for example.

Funny you mention that (dead is Jackrip):

don't take this to mean anything please please please i just thought it was funny

cacogen wrote: Or just have the game spawn waves of ERT until the round ends like cops in GTA, like someone else suggested. Even if they don't beat them players are still getting back into the round for a chance at revenge.

This would be awful as a game mechanic. This doesn't discourage murderbone, it rewards it. Fighting cops in GTA is fun. You would be presenting murderboners with a challenge from the game itself.

"rewarding" murderboning is better than having people sit out for an entire round since the murderbone already happened its not like not having cops would make people stop murderboning they already have the reward

cacogen wrote:If there were the correct game incentive not to do it you could discourage it. Hitman gives you a worse rating for killing non-targets, for example. I don't know how you'd make that matter here when people have always ignored their objectives, though. Scoreboards or something.

Or just have the game spawn waves of ERT until the round ends like cops in GTA, like someone else suggested. Even if they don't beat them players are still getting back into the round for a chance at revenge.

Seeing people die and pets die upsets you #42157

Jaredfogle wrote:

cacogen wrote:If there were the correct game incentive not to do it you could discourage it. Hitman gives you a worse rating for killing non-targets, for example.

Funny you mention that (dead is Jackrip):

don't take this to mean anything please please please i just thought it was funny

cacogen wrote: Or just have the game spawn waves of ERT until the round ends like cops in GTA, like someone else suggested. Even if they don't beat them players are still getting back into the round for a chance at revenge.

This would be awful as a game mechanic. This doesn't discourage murderbone, it rewards it. Fighting cops in GTA is fun. You would be presenting murderboners with a challenge from the game itself.

based jackrip i love being a serial killer in hitman

shit man if only we could all self evaluate and own up like krus did

You know what I'm going to try a little bit of that right now

Im kidding myself if I say I murderbone for any other reason than I love it

Jaredfogle wrote:

cacogen wrote:If there were the correct game incentive not to do it you could discourage it. Hitman gives you a worse rating for killing non-targets, for example.

Funny you mention that (dead is Jackrip):

don't take this to mean anything please please please i just thought it was funny

cacogen wrote: Or just have the game spawn waves of ERT until the round ends like cops in GTA, like someone else suggested. Even if they don't beat them players are still getting back into the round for a chance at revenge.

This would be awful as a game mechanic. This doesn't discourage murderbone, it rewards it. Fighting cops in GTA is fun. You would be presenting murderboners with a challenge from the game itself.

He is bad at Hitman.

Fighting cops in GTA isn't fun, what's fun is using a trainer to turn cops off entirely (or just give yourself unlimited health and bullets) and then destroying everything, perhaps with less gravity and slow motion or inclimate weather or whatever. Get menyoo, play the sandbox the way it's supposed to be played instead of anti-fun moralist police teleporting in to kill you.

Normally the cops respawn endlessly, can teleport to the top of Mt. Chiliad after you silently kill a lone hitchhiker with a sniper rifle and gradually wittle away your armour and health until you're forced to either flee or die. The same principle can be applied here.

Challenge is not fun. Challenge is work. This is one of the reasons people were crying about actual fair matchmaking in BO:CW because they actually have to sweat to win instead of just steamrolling women and children. And it's worse in this situation because not only are the skill levels not matched, the strength of equipment, awareness of the threat and willingness to even fight in the first place are too. One of the reasons people use SS13 to get their K/D ratio up in is because it gives the same satisfaction as killing in any other multiplier game but the playing field is inherently not level, because it's supposed to play out like Mafia. If you take advantage of that, then the game should increase the challenge to match your skill level.

At the very least, Nanotrasen trying to retake their expensive research station from an insurgent gives people in deadchat something to do. The alternative of course is that murderboners still happen, people like Jackrip aren't faced with a proper challenge and they get to have their ego stroked knowing there are 23 people watching in deadchat just gobsmacked at the skill on this guy.

jackrip wrote:shit man if only we could all self evaluate and own up like krus did

You know what I'm going to try a little bit of that right now

Im kidding myself if I say I murderbone for any other reason than I love it

LMAO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THIS SEASON IS CRAZY

I had some time to think about it and Krusvik was only doing what he felt he could do about jackrip's treatment of this game as a sandbox murder simulator, which is honourable and therefore shouldn't be punished. I would suggest he didn't go far enough.

oranges wrote:we have dug to china and are now constructing a space elevator to mars

Any time you suggest an idea, not the best idea you could come up with mind you, just an example off the top of your head to prove your overall point that it doesn't have to be like this and to prompt discussion, they just jump down your throat and attack that idea.

cacogen wrote:I had some time to think about it and Krusvik was only doing what he felt he could do about jackrip's treatment of this game as a sandbox murder simulator, which is honourable and therefore shouldn't be punished. I would suggest he didn't go far enough.

Who are you

No wait, better question

Do you play the game or do you just code

jackrip wrote:

cacogen wrote:I had some time to think about it and Krusvik was only doing what he felt he could do about jackrip's treatment of this game as a sandbox murder simulator, which is honourable and therefore shouldn't be punished. I would suggest he didn't go far enough.

Who are you

No wait, better question

Do you play the game or do you just code

he has never liked a single thing i made so he's more like a renegade

the headmins have killed TWO game masters they cant keep getting away with this

historically speaking,
bobbah 'bee' brown

How can he not like the cannons

This peanut was still a colossal waste of everyone's time and I'm upset that I have been suppressed of my right to 'nut in it with morshu remixes.

RIP my homie the hut, beloved dumpsterfire you were.
Maybe the real treasure was the retarded fucking quotes we got on the way.

I told you the entire time that the hut needs to come back, but instead it's still deleted and this retard actually got the complaint through against the jannie, truly the worst timeline. Frankly, disgusting.

ArcaneDefence wrote:This peanut was still a colossal waste of everyone's time and I'm upset that I have been suppressed of my right to 'nut in it with morshu remixes.

RIP my homie the hut, beloved dumpsterfire you were.
Maybe the real treasure was the retarded fucking quotes we got on the way.

Completely and utterly wrong

I used this wonderful thread to compile a list of all the people who hate me. I will use this list for..

Things...

It's not hate against you, it's your playstyle. ?

Jaredfogle wrote:It's not hate against you, it's your playstyle. ?

You are categorized under a maybe anyways

Same with oranges weirdly enough. I still have hope for our blossoming relationship

Maybe is good enough for me ?

jackrip wrote:Who are you

No wait, better question

Do you play the game or do you just code

I don't do either of these things

Armhulen wrote: he has never liked a single thing i made so he's more like a renegade

If I'd known you cared I'd have tried harder to like whatever you've made (I don't know).

jackrip wrote:Completely and utterly wrong

I used this wonderful thread to compile a list of all the people who hate me. I will use this list for..

Things...

You seem fine. You're just doing one of the most gratifying things you can do in this game and the game doesn't do much to discourage it.

did it hurt to be called a coder cacogen?

cacogen wrote:

jackrip wrote:Who are you

No wait, better question

Do you play the game or do you just code

I don't do either of these things

Lies and deceit

either we have all completely worn each other out
or krusvik has brought temporary peace among our people

let us hold onto this moment for as long as we can and ride this gravy train into the sunset

oranges wrote:did it hurt to be called a coder cacogen?

I think you called it being an integrator once

Punishment seems a bit harsh idk man.

Guy owned up to the mistake on his own and even the plaintiff was happy with the response.

jackrip wrote:either we have all completely worn each other out
or krusvik has brought temporary peace among our people

let us hold onto this moment for as long as we can and ride this gravy train into the sunset

i think manning up was a move everyone liked.

you know all of us PARTAKE in a lil' murderbone

murderboning is fun like miner is fun to players its just you against the world jacks saying it helps players get good and probably does but at the end of the day some guy gets the limelight in a round and its his/her choice to do what they want with it. if people cared so much about how the dude in the limelight plays then they shouldn't look to prevent him from getting the limelight and instead give a better option to act out that limelight.
i think most people in this thread are just burning off steam from being burntout after getting murderboned or past experiences with murderboners when they just want to chill down on a round. that happens for everybody but the salt is real and its big.

Krusvik did nothing wrong

ArcaneDefence wrote:This peanut was still a colossal waste of everyone's time and I'm upset that I have been suppressed of my right to 'nut in it with morshu remixes.

RIP my homie the hut, beloved dumpsterfire you were.

ArcaneDefence wrote:Maybe the real treasure was the retarded fucking quotes we got on the way.

korol is taking his murderboning out of the game and straight to the admins

korol murderboning admins

this was a good thread, I enjoyed this

agreed, good thread. probably A-B tier on off-topic dramathread tierlist.

this gave me an epic idea: the more people you kill the less chance you have to be an antag in the future. Murderboners don't @ me

Another GameMaster merc'd.

I had a similar thought like the more sloppy you are as a traitor the less likely you are to be picked again but I decided not to suggest it

MrAlphonzo wrote:Another GameMaster merc'd.

alphonzo i don't have much time you need t

we should just ban murderbone across all servers so i can finally move on with my life

391 replies. you must be wondering what we got out of this

i'll tell you what we got out of this

we identified this scary ass motherfucker


who is he? what does he want? we have identified the greatest threat to tgstation since lexia black and yet no one is talking about it

jackrip wrote:391 replies. you must be wondering what we got out of this

i'll tell you what we got out of this

we identified this scary ass motherfucker


who is he? what does he want? we have identified the greatest threat to tgstation since lexia black and yet no one is talking about it

Johnny Crystal is coming for you... better watch out.

We can't ignore the fact cacogen said fighting cops in GTA isn't fun...

it's not

This thread showed me that Jared fogle can fucking ice motherfuckers left and right without second thought. He's like oranges before he got old and decrepit holy shit a new contender to the throne

No it's just half assed graphs ok

I'm surprised data like that could be collected at all, I wonder if the next step is accounting for player loss/gains over the day

that reminds me, someone asked me to get data on how old our active playerbase is (our churn, more or less). i don't have any point to prove with that but I am curious on if servers have different results