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[OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:59 am
by bobbahbrown
Bottom post of the previous page:
wowza!
looks like it's time again!
will you be running? who will win? will goof secure his 2021 victory and finally control our democracy as a paradise for the proletariat? will coconut continue into his unprecedented fourth term?
all this and more in today's headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium!
with excitement,
bobbah 'bee' brown
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:51 am
by wesoda25
sinfulbliss » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:49 pm #613462
wesoda25 wrote:
We just recently banned a guy for saying "Nigga?" and "some nigga killed the HoP". A headmin deemed it "not worth overturning." Did you just miss that appeal?
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=29615
They said it to a black person you fucking cheese-head.
So much misinformation here.
First, it wasn’t a permaban. It was a note for saying the N-word. Not “to” a black person, but in reference to someone who was black.
“””
SINFUL WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NO ONE SAID SHIT ABOUT A PERMA BAN AND YOUR DISTINCTION DOESNT MATTER. NO ONES GONNA READ YOUR ESSAY IF YOUR THESIS IS SHIT. AND WHILE WE’RE AT IT WTF WAS THIS SHIT ABOUT SAYING “pretending to rape a corpse actually is pretty tame” I MEAN WHAT FUCKING PLANET DO YOU BUY YOUR TAKES FROM FFS
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:52 am
by wesoda25
q_q
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:06 am
by Malkraz
he's really gone wesodownhill
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:11 am
by chesse20
MrStonedOne wrote:
At a place that "bans slurs", saying "x just got banned for calling somebody a faggot" would also get you banned. This is retarded. There is no need to censor "faggot" in this context.
At a place that bans slurs, saying "what are you faggots playing" gets you in trouble, understandable to a degree, but also retarded. This usecase is not bigoted and its a term of endearment in this context.
MrStonedOne casually dropping ablelist slurs -_-. You could say something is bad or cringe or annoying or hell even use a less ablelist slur like "dumb" or "stupid" but you gotta go full r-word on your rant on how you hate the idea of banning slurs.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:15 am
by Malkraz
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:37 am
by wesoda25
Um
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:48 am
by Agux909
Wesoda needs a hug
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:21 am
by Rohen_Tahir
chesse20 wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:
At a place that "bans slurs", saying "x just got banned for calling somebody a faggot" would also get you banned. This is retarded. There is no need to censor "faggot" in this context.
At a place that bans slurs, saying "what are you faggots playing" gets you in trouble, understandable to a degree, but also retarded. This usecase is not bigoted and its a term of endearment in this context.
MrStonedOne casually dropping ablelist slurs -_-. You could say something is bad or cringe or annoying or hell even use a less ablelist slur like "dumb" or "stupid" but you gotta go full r-word on your rant on how you hate the idea of banning slurs.
lol
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:28 pm
by bobbahbrown
Rohen_Tahir wrote:chesse20 wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:
snip
snip
lol
he bit the chesse
best,
bobbah 'bee' brown
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:09 pm
by Omega_DarkPotato
so is wesoda's mental breakdown the (gone wrong) part of this megathread or can I expect it to go really downhill from here
sinful's takes are sometimes historically wrong but he's right on the case of rule 11 helping the community
reading is really not that hard (except for when it is, see reading "permaban" instead of "ban that headmins decided to not overturn")
also if this is the zoo can i be one of the cool animals like a pigeon
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:17 pm
by Rohen_Tahir
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:
SCRII! SCRII!
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:25 pm
by MrStonedOne
chesse20 wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:
At a place that "bans slurs", saying "x just got banned for calling somebody a faggot" would also get you banned. This is retarded. There is no need to censor "faggot" in this context.
At a place that bans slurs, saying "what are you faggots playing" gets you in trouble, understandable to a degree, but also retarded. This usecase is not bigoted and its a term of endearment in this context.
MrStonedOne casually dropping ablelist slurs -_-. You could say something is bad or cringe or annoying or hell even use a less ablelist slur like "dumb" or "stupid" but you gotta go full r-word on your rant on how you hate the idea of banning slurs.
Your byond username references animal cruelty, your argument is invalid.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:00 pm
by Stickymayhem
MrStonedOne wrote:chesse20 wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:
At a place that "bans slurs", saying "x just got banned for calling somebody a faggot" would also get you banned. This is retarded. There is no need to censor "faggot" in this context.
At a place that bans slurs, saying "what are you faggots playing" gets you in trouble, understandable to a degree, but also retarded. This usecase is not bigoted and its a term of endearment in this context.
MrStonedOne casually dropping ablelist slurs -_-. You could say something is bad or cringe or annoying or hell even use a less ablelist slur like "dumb" or "stupid" but you gotta go full r-word on your rant on how you hate the idea of banning slurs.
Your byond username references animal cruelty, your argument is invalid.
cheese20 just casually dropping references to the rape and slaughter of cows -_-. You could pick a name that is any other object, like table, or orange, or noodles, or even use a less problematic version like "vegancheese20" but you gotta go full c-word on your rant about how you hate ableist slurs
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:53 pm
by sinfulbliss
wesoda25 wrote:SINFUL WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NO ONE SAID SHIT ABOUT A PERMA BAN AND YOUR DISTINCTION DOESNT MATTER. NO ONES GONNA READ YOUR ESSAY IF YOUR THESIS IS SHIT. AND WHILE WE’RE AT IT WTF WAS THIS SHIT ABOUT SAYING “pretending to rape a corpse actually is pretty tame” I MEAN WHAT FUCKING PLANET DO YOU BUY YOUR TAKES FROM FFS
Wesoda, what part of my thesis of "I want to foster a culture of love and kindness" was so disagreeable to you? I don't think we disagree on anything that was said. The misinformation part wasn't directed at you, by the way, I was simply trying to set the record straight since everyone seemed to think it was a permaban.
Also, if you're going to quote me,
quote me - I never said "pretending to rape a corpse is pretty tame." That would be a clear violation. I simply thought Null0's dialogue in general was made more in jest and was mild for a rule 8 permaban. I do think rule 8 is overenforced and people need to develop a little bit of a thicker skin.
I mean, four people that I used to play with regularly have been banned for rule 8 violations in the past month alone,
none of which were the sort of "e-rape" rule 8 we would think of, but were pretty mild or even consensual fringe cases that were enforced by an admin who grew up in a Mormon family or something. All of these people were fun regular players that most people seemed to like. Nope, instant permaban for 3/4 of them.
The worst part about it is you can't just
appeal a rule 8 permaban. How humiliating would it be to actually drag up all the logs and go through them in front of your peers to prove... To prove what? They're less creepy than the banning admin says they are? At the end of the day if another admin looks at it and says, "yeah that's creepy," the permaban stays, so why bother? Even if nothing you said was remotely close to ERP (which rule 8 was
made for). People would prefer to just not appeal, rather than humiliate themselves publicly to that degree.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:03 pm
by Armhulen
sinfulbliss wrote:I mean, four people that I used to play with regularly have been banned for rule 8 violations in the past month alone
ooooooooooooooh this makes so much sense
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:08 pm
by sinfulbliss
Armhulen wrote:sinfulbliss wrote:I mean, four people that I used to play with regularly have been banned for rule 8 violations in the past month alone
ooooooooooooooh this makes so much sense
Yeah ok Mr. "Rule 11 should be remov- oh wait I was proven wrong RULE 11 IS FINE WE CAN KEEP IT JUST PUT IT IN RULE 1 SOMEHOW???"
yeah that's right get rekt
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:10 pm
by Armhulen
sinfulbliss wrote:Armhulen wrote:sinfulbliss wrote:I mean, four people that I used to play with regularly have been banned for rule 8 violations in the past month alone
ooooooooooooooh this makes so much sense
Yeah ok Mr. "Rule 11 should be remov- oh wait I was proven wrong RULE 11 IS FINE WE CAN KEEP IT JUST PUT IT IN RULE 1 SOMEHOW???"
yeah that's right get rekt
it's true rave convinced me tbh
he's got a big dick energy voice in vc
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:18 pm
by Fishimun
Armhulen wrote:sinfulbliss wrote:Armhulen wrote:sinfulbliss wrote:I mean, four people that I used to play with regularly have been banned for rule 8 violations in the past month alone
ooooooooooooooh this makes so much sense
Yeah ok Mr. "Rule 11 should be remov- oh wait I was proven wrong RULE 11 IS FINE WE CAN KEEP IT JUST PUT IT IN RULE 1 SOMEHOW???"
yeah that's right get rekt
it's true rave convinced me tbh
he's got a big dick energy voice in vc
[img]https://i.ibb.co/mvDgpTt/Shadow-Madness-442.png[/img]
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:54 pm
by Timonk
sinfulbliss wrote:The worst part about it is you can't just appeal a rule 8 permaban.
you go all the way, sign up on the sex offender registry for 2 years then come back to prove you havent reoffended
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:56 am
by Tlaltecuhtli
just ban evade and grief then in 1 year appeal the ban evasion and grief
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:23 pm
by Not-Dorsidarf
Stickymayhem wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:chesse20 wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:
At a place that "bans slurs", saying "x just got banned for calling somebody a faggot" would also get you banned. This is retarded. There is no need to censor "faggot" in this context.
At a place that bans slurs, saying "what are you faggots playing" gets you in trouble, understandable to a degree, but also retarded. This usecase is not bigoted and its a term of endearment in this context.
MrStonedOne casually dropping ablelist slurs -_-. You could say something is bad or cringe or annoying or hell even use a less ablelist slur like "dumb" or "stupid" but you gotta go full r-word on your rant on how you hate the idea of banning slurs.
Your byond username references animal cruelty, your argument is invalid.
cheese20 just casually dropping references to the rape and slaughter of cows -_-. You could pick a name that is any other object, like table, or orange, or noodles, or even use a less problematic version like "vegancheese20" but you gotta go full c-word on your rant about how you hate ableist slurs
Gonna be real people should say that one less, he has a point just wrong the wrong direction
edit wait this is the headmin thread I came here to ask how many days of voting left before iamgoofball is crowned king
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:15 pm
by Stickymayhem
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Stickymayhem wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:chesse20 wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:
At a place that "bans slurs", saying "x just got banned for calling somebody a faggot" would also get you banned. This is retarded. There is no need to censor "faggot" in this context.
At a place that bans slurs, saying "what are you faggots playing" gets you in trouble, understandable to a degree, but also retarded. This usecase is not bigoted and its a term of endearment in this context.
MrStonedOne casually dropping ablelist slurs -_-. You could say something is bad or cringe or annoying or hell even use a less ablelist slur like "dumb" or "stupid" but you gotta go full r-word on your rant on how you hate the idea of banning slurs.
Your byond username references animal cruelty, your argument is invalid.
cheese20 just casually dropping references to the rape and slaughter of cows -_-. You could pick a name that is any other object, like table, or orange, or noodles, or even use a less problematic version like "vegancheese20" but you gotta go full c-word on your rant about how you hate ableist slurs
Gonna be real people should say that one less, he has a point just wrong the wrong direction
edit wait this is the headmin thread I came here to ask how many days of voting left before iamgoofball is crowned king
In a better world retard wouldn't be used but I think it does more damage than good to attempt to block it and makes people like us look like we really don't allow any fun.
I think it's been used differently enough that it's objectively less harmful than the n word at least.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:13 pm
by Agux909
I wouldn't miss "retard" if it went away.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:32 pm
by Stickymayhem
Agux909 wrote:I wouldn't miss "retard" if it went away.
But we'd lose half the playerba-
oh you meant the word
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:55 pm
by cacogen
retard is usually used by retards and it's best weaponised against them here
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:25 am
by saprasam
the day a player wins is the day there are 2 headmins with authority
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:16 pm
by Agux909
Stickymayhem wrote:Agux909 wrote:I wouldn't miss "retard" if it went away.
But we'd lose half the playerba-
oh you meant the word
lol
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:33 pm
by iksyp
Stickymayhem wrote:
In a better world retard wouldn't be used but I think it does more damage than good to attempt to block it and makes people like us look like we really don't allow any fun.
I think it's been used differently enough that it's objectively less harmful than the n word at least.
the difference between retard and n-word is that retard wasn't designed to be a slur and isn't often used as such; most of the time you're called a retard it's because it's a synonym for slow (and therefore stupid) or you are a commercial pilot, not because of a mental disability
the n-word was designed as a slur, it has different contexts in spite of that, but it is a slur solely created because people with melanin exist
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:47 am
by Agux909
iksyp wrote:Stickymayhem wrote:
In a better world retard wouldn't be used but I think it does more damage than good to attempt to block it and makes people like us look like we really don't allow any fun.
I think it's been used differently enough that it's objectively less harmful than the n word at least.
the difference between retard and n-word is that retard wasn't designed to be a slur and isn't often used as such; most of the time you're called a retard it's because it's a synonym for slow (and therefore stupid) or you are a commercial pilot, not because of a mental disability
the n-word was designed as a slur, it has different contexts in spite of that, but it is a slur solely created because people with melanin exist
It's still used for the shock value and super uninspired at this point. Learn from Crag and be more creative when trying to swear at someone, geez.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:11 pm
by kieth4
Vote Lukas
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:05 pm
by chocolate_bickie
Timonk wrote:sinfulbliss wrote:The worst part about it is you can't just appeal a rule 8 permaban.
you go all the way, sign up on the sex offender registry for 2 years then come back to prove you havent reoffended
Players who break rule 8 should be punished with the permanent trait 'Chemical Castration'
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:02 am
by iksyp
Agux909 wrote:iksyp wrote:Stickymayhem wrote:
In a better world retard wouldn't be used but I think it does more damage than good to attempt to block it and makes people like us look like we really don't allow any fun.
I think it's been used differently enough that it's objectively less harmful than the n word at least.
the difference between retard and n-word is that retard wasn't designed to be a slur and isn't often used as such; most of the time you're called a retard it's because it's a synonym for slow (and therefore stupid) or you are a commercial pilot, not because of a mental disability
the n-word was designed as a slur, it has different contexts in spite of that, but it is a slur solely created because people with melanin exist
It's still used for the shock value and super uninspired at this point. Learn from Crag and be more creative when trying to swear at someone, geez.
i concur but this also wasn't the point; the point is that retard isn't inherently offensive while the n-word is
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:12 am
by Agux909
iksyp wrote:Agux909 wrote:iksyp wrote:Stickymayhem wrote:
In a better world retard wouldn't be used but I think it does more damage than good to attempt to block it and makes people like us look like we really don't allow any fun.
I think it's been used differently enough that it's objectively less harmful than the n word at least.
the difference between retard and n-word is that retard wasn't designed to be a slur and isn't often used as such; most of the time you're called a retard it's because it's a synonym for slow (and therefore stupid) or you are a commercial pilot, not because of a mental disability
the n-word was designed as a slur, it has different contexts in spite of that, but it is a slur solely created because people with melanin exist
It's still used for the shock value and super uninspired at this point. Learn from Crag and be more creative when trying to swear at someone, geez.
i concur but this also wasn't the point; the point is that retard isn't inherently offensive while the n-word is
Granted.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:44 pm
by Timberpoes
Approach twilight of vote.
Wish luck to all who run.
Excited for Bindy & goofball 1000 year reign.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:31 pm
by dragomagol
Timberpoes wrote:Approach twilight of vote.
Wish luck to all who run.
Excited for Bindy & goofball 1000 year reign.
Good luck everybody!!
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:59 pm
by Sacko
Deepstate already sniped fikou.
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:37 pm
by Armhulen
I hope the people I want to win... win! Good luck
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:01 am
by bobbahbrown
the preliminary results are in!
looks like player vote was rave, and admin vote was tattle, without filtering, very exciting!
best wishes,
bobbah 'bee' brown
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:04 am
by MrStonedOne
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:19 am
by Qustinnus
I'm glad we're only stuck with this for 6 months
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:29 am
by MortoSasye
Super excited about this term!
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:39 am
by bastardblaster
Timber was robbed I demand a recount
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:40 am
by oranges
Recount complete, goof was winner
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:41 am
by RaveRadbury
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Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:45 am
by Timberpoes
ardentarclight wrote:Timber was robbed I demand a recount
Thanks for support! Keep eye out in 6 months.
Still have more to give to servers, players & admin team in the meantime. Continue drive to improve both self & game. Do even better next time!
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:47 am
by Agux909
Wish you three the best of luck on your term. Also excited to see how it plays out and how you work as a team to push a fresher vision for the community. Cheers Rave, Tattle, Nameless!
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:12 am
by cacogen
I don't even know who the admin pick is and the players have cucked themselves but if Rave's election results in the banning of slurs it could have an entertaining effect on the naggers on Terry
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:50 am
by cSeal
Raves pfp frightens me so I demand a recount
Seriously though, excited for this term :0J congrats to all the winners
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:09 am
by Timonk
Lukas was fucking robbed
Rave won because of sticky, cimika and paxilmaniac fans
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:21 am
by Stickymayhem
Keith and rave showed up for the debate
Re: [OFFICIAL] headmin election 14 discussion megathread and peanut emporium (GONE WRONG)
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:23 am
by saprasam
im going to relapse into ss13 addiction and find the game's atmosphere and administration team vastly different one day
