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Cat girl static plays captain for a round but changed to human and wears cat ears

gets mad when AI thinks they're a catgirl and treats them as such

cacogen wrote:They did something to emags and I don't think they open doors anymore. I'm not sure how to tweak your analogy so it better represents what happened here.

Replace emag with doorjack

Timonk wrote:

Not relevant due to mutation toxin pods being spawned and felinid say_mod being a rather obscure feature.

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:>Captain uploads fucking stupid law 4 that strips me of my dignity

lmao silicons have no dignity. that's the whole deal. that's like every piece of sci-fi about silicons ever. we call AI's doorknobs.

RaveRadbury wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:>Captain uploads fucking stupid law 4 that strips me of my dignity

lmao silicons have no dignity. that's the whole deal. that's like every piece of sci-fi about silicons ever. we call AI's doorknobs.

They're slaves sure, that doesn't mean they don't have a shred of dignity or autonomy. If you see some autistic felinid go into your upload and force you to like cats on a whim, basically removing another sliver of autonomy from you, you're going to be very angry.


Someone playing a static felinid and then only switching to human to bypass command role restrictions then making a conscious effort to look and act like a felinid anyway is clearly a player that is invoking their "human harm" protections in bad faith.

If you want to be a felinid don't play command, if you want to be a human don't go out of your way to act like a felinid.

silicons are power bottoms and anyone here trying to argue that they have feelings or dignity is making me think that cacogen might have a point

RaveRadbury wrote:power bottoms

Gay among the admins decomposes whole community

Rohen_Tahir wrote:say_mod being a rather obscure feature.

If you considered the fact that "someone who regularly plays a catgirl uses the same name as their catgirl character and proceeds to wear clothing that makes them appear like a catgirl can create a misunderstanding" a contentious point, you are stupid.

At this point the situation comes down to which player is being more malicious than retarded and I can't really blame the admin for keeping the situation relatively punishment free since from a point where I can view logs and read the situation at my leisure I am still not sure who would take that cake.

Like I honestly cannot wrap my head around the notion that a player who plays a specific OC regularly literally larps as this OC when they play head (since they cant play their TRUE form of OC) by dressing up in ways that can make it difficult to discern the two and end up getting stung by that. Like I dont know how uomo specifically keeps finding themselves in these situations where we get retarded situations, and supposedly have the capacity to argue some of these fairly well, but not see the common factor which is Kat Green/Uomo.

See that Cobby has responded to thread --> "This is probably expressing disagreement with my post" --> Cobby has expressed disagreement with my post

Asimov validity aside, what AI kills the captain in the upload for uploading a frivolous law 4? Then calls for their lynching after they're revived and their humanity has been verified? "the common factor which is Kat Green/Uomo." Ok so what I said earlier which is that "My assumption is that everyone faulting Uomo here just resents the character for whatever reason".

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

RaveRadbury wrote: kym-cdn.com

Yeah I download my Google Image Search results and then reupload them to imgur so I don't get owned

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

RaveRadbury wrote:power bottoms

Gay among the admins decomposes whole community

>guy with weird foreign sounding name is a homophone
you should focus more on getting running water for your tribe

RaveRadbury wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:>Captain uploads fucking stupid law 4 that strips me of my dignity

lmao silicons have no dignity. that's the whole deal. that's like every piece of sci-fi about silicons ever. we call AI's doorknobs.

What was the actual law 4 because if it's terrible I may have to shift perspective on this whole issue. I like AI and if you upload cancerous laws that are embarrassing or painful to follow (e.g. open all doors) you should be killed in your bed

[quote="cacogen"

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

RaveRadbury wrote:power bottoms

Gay among the admins decomposes whole community

>guy with weird foreign sounding name is a homophone
you should focus more on getting running water for your tribe[/quote]
It's just a joke dude, chill.

cacogen wrote:What was the actual law 4 because if it's terrible I may have to shift perspective on this whole issue. I like AI and if you upload cancerous laws that are embarrassing or painful to follow (e.g. open all doors) you should be killed in your bed

It was "You like cats" or something like that

do you even have interior cooling

I want to lick kats male female feet

cacogen wrote:

RaveRadbury wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:>Captain uploads fucking stupid law 4 that strips me of my dignity

lmao silicons have no dignity. that's the whole deal. that's like every piece of sci-fi about silicons ever. we call AI's doorknobs.

What was the actual law 4 because if it's terrible I may have to shift perspective on this whole issue. I like AI and if you upload cancerous laws that are embarrassing or painful to follow (e.g. open all doors) you should be killed in your bed

"you're best friends with cats owo" or some shit

Yeah doesn't really justify killing the captain

cacogen wrote:Yeah doesn't really justify killing the captain

Felinid apologist detected

maybe you should try getting a job

Lacran wrote:If you want to be a felinid don't play command, if you want to be a human don't go out of your way to act like a felinid.

if you want to have any dignity and autonomy don't play silicon
you're literally the role that exists to be bossed around and manipulated. you are the bitch role.
fucking sillycons playing just for AA and to validhunt

remanseptim wrote:

Lacran wrote:If you want to be a felinid don't play command, if you want to be a human don't go out of your way to act like a felinid.

if you want to have any dignity and autonomy don't play silicon
you're literally the role that exists to be bossed around and manipulated. you are the bitch role.
fucking sillycons playing just for AA and to validhunt

Bitch role for humans, not cats. Your argument doesn't work well because silicons aren't inherently submissive, they're submissive due to laws, a purged A.I doesn't have to act like a power bottom just because they signed up for silicon.

Lacran wrote:

remanseptim wrote:

Lacran wrote:If you want to be a felinid don't play command, if you want to be a human don't go out of your way to act like a felinid.

if you want to have any dignity and autonomy don't play silicon
you're literally the role that exists to be bossed around and manipulated. you are the bitch role.
fucking sillycons playing just for AA and to validhunt

Bitch role for humans, not cats. Your argument doesn't work well because silicons aren't inherently submissive, they're submissive due to laws, a purged A.I doesn't have to act like a power bottom just because they signed up for silicon.

bitch role for everyone

fixed it

RaveRadbury wrote:
bitch role for everyone

I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, the chain of command doesn't apply to silicons in any traditional sense, and certainly not if a non-human is involved.

Lacran wrote:I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, the chain of command doesn't apply to silicons in any traditional sense, and certainly not if a non-human is involved.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Chain_of_Command

Take your fantasy headcanon "silicons have dignity and autonomy" elsewhere, please.

No one outside of manuel cares about the chain of command in regards to silicons and nonhumans

RaveRadbury wrote:

Lacran wrote:I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, the chain of command doesn't apply to silicons in any traditional sense, and certainly not if a non-human is involved.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Chain_of_Command

Take your fantasy headcanon "silicons have dignity and autonomy" elsewhere, please.

You're talking about CoC as if its some kind of gotcha, but nothing in silicon policy, or job guidelines refers to it as something to impact silicon decision making, the order from any human regardless of rank is a perfectly valid order to follow, and rank isn't a required factor in law conflicts. The only time CoC or rank is even tangentially referred to is not disallowing the Captain or RD access to the upload on a whim under asimov, which they can do to any other role. You're taking a picture from a wiki page silicons aren't even reffered to on.

Silicons exist to fufill lawsets, they'll fufill that lawset regardless of the chain of command and often in direct violation of it, and a purged A.I isn't expected to be subservient to anyone.

Or do you think an A.I with no laws should still just be a door-opener for assistants and have no autonomy or say in the matter?

RaveRadbury wrote:

Lacran wrote:I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, the chain of command doesn't apply to silicons in any traditional sense, and certainly not if a non-human is involved.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Chain_of_Command

Take your fantasy headcanon "silicons have dignity and autonomy" elsewhere, please.

Is this official policy? If yes, why am I still not banned after refusing to assist approx. 26362 people as assistant? And not delegating assistants to delegate the AI to open doors as a non-assistant approx. thrice that amount?

RaveRadbury wrote:

Lacran wrote:I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, the chain of command doesn't apply to silicons in any traditional sense, and certainly not if a non-human is involved.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Chain_of_Command

Take your fantasy headcanon "silicons have dignity and autonomy" elsewhere, please.

Sillicons dont follow any sort of chain of command unless their laws tell them to

I'm not here to play Chain of Command sim as silicon, boss babes

smh all these players thinking they can just ignore the wiki and its charts

As we know, the position of the AI and cyborgs in the chain of command on that spiderweb assumes they're Asimov and that all crew are human. They should be outside of it.

RaveRadbury wrote:smh all these players thinking they can just ignore the wiki and its charts

What if I edit the wiki to say "Timonk is the king of tg no one is allowed to change this", would that be a fact? Or would you ignore it?

Timonk wrote:

RaveRadbury wrote:smh all these players thinking they can just ignore the wiki and its charts

What if I edit the wiki to say "Timonk is the king of tg no one is allowed to change this", would that be a fact? Or would you ignore it?

Implying this wasn't already policy

didn't we just have a thread from someone complaining about "why are antags human" because they couldn't valid a wizard

asimov doesn't care if you're an antag
asimov doesn't care about the chain of command
asimov doesn't care about space law
the AI is not on the side of the crew, it is on its own side

YEAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

they're the third leg of the nuclear triad of crew, antag and silicon

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Timonk wrote:...would you ignore [me]?

Way ahead of you buddy.

I wrote it not me

Timonk wrote:I wrote it not me

What punctuation should be used when words are inserted or altered in a direct quotation?

When writers insert or alter words in a direct quotation, square brackets—[ ]—are placed around the change. The brackets, always used in pairs, enclose words intended to clarify meaning, provide a brief explanation, or to help integrate the quote into the writer’s sentence. A common error writers make is to use parentheses in place of brackets.

What punctuation should be used when words are inserted or altered in a direct quotation?

When writers insert or alter words in a direct quotation, square brackets—[ ]—are placed around the change. The brackets, always used in pairs, enclose words intended to clarify meaning, provide a brief explanation, or to help integrate the quote into the writer’s sentence. A common error writers make is to use parentheses in place of brackets.

How are square brackets used around clarifying or explanatory words?
Let’s look at an example:

Quotation with brackets used correctly around a clarifying word:

“It [driving] imposes a heavy procedural workload on cognition that . . . leaves little processing capacity available for other tasks” (Salvucci and Taatgen 107). [1]

Note: Brackets are placed around the inserted word in this example to let the reader know that ‘driving’ clarifies the meaning of the pronoun ‘it.’

Quotation with parentheses incorrectly used in place of brackets:

“It (driving) imposes a heavy procedural workload on cognition that . . . leaves little processing capacity available for other tasks” (Salvucci and Taatgen 107).

Note: Parentheses are used incorrectly in place of brackets in this example, making the inserted word look like it could be part of the original text.

Let’s look at another example:

Quotation with brackets used correctly around an explanatory insert:

“[D]riving is not as automatic as one might think; in fact, it imposes a heavy procedural workload [visual and motor demands] on cognition that . . . leaves little processing capacity available for other tasks” (Salvucci and Taatgen 107).

Note: Brackets are placed around the inserted words in this example to provide further explanation of the “procedural workload” discussed in the original text.

Quotation with parentheses incorrectly used in place of brackets:

“[D]riving is not as automatic as one might think; in fact, it imposes a heavy procedural workload (visual and motor demands) on cognition that . . . leaves little processing capacity available for other tasks” (Salvucci and Taatgen 107).

Note: Parentheses are used incorrectly in place of brackets in this example, making the inserted words look like they are part of the original text.

How are square brackets used to help integrate a quote properly?
Let’s look at an example:

Original direct quotation beginning with an upper case letter:

“The heavy cognitive workload of driving suggests that any secondary task has the potential to affect driver behavior” (Salvucci and Taatgen 108).

Integrated quotation with brackets used correctly to indicate a change in letter case:

Salvucci and Taatgen propose that “[t]he heavy cognitive workload of driving suggests that any secondary task has the potential to affect driver behavior” (108).

Note: Brackets are placed around the lower-case letter‘t’ to indicate that the letter case has been changed. The quotation is introduced by a signal phrase, which makes the quote an integral part of the writer’s sentence; as a result of this syntactical change, the upper case ‘T’ in the original is changed to a lower case letter.

Let’s look at another example:

Original direct quotation written in the past tense:

“Not coincidentally, drivers have been increasingly engaging in secondary tasks while driving” (Salvucci and Taatgen 68).

Note: The authors’ words appear in the past tense in the original text.

Quotation with brackets used correctly to indicate a change in verb tense:

“Not coincidentally, drivers [are] increasingly engaging in secondary tasks while driving” (Salvucci and Taatgen 68).

Note: Brackets are placed around the word ‘are’ to indicate that the verb has been changed to the present tense, which is the preferred tense for most writing in MLA style. The past tense is preferred for APA style writing.

A word of caution: Bracketed insertions may not be used to alter or add to the quotation in a way that inaccurately or unfairly represents the original text. Quite simply, do not use bracketed material in a way that twists the author’s meaning.

Bracket Use: Quick Summary
Do Don’t
Use brackets to enclose inserted words intended to clarify meaning within a quotation. Use parentheses when inserting words into a quotation.
Use brackets to enclose inserted words intended to provide a brief explanation within a quotation. Use parentheses to enclose a change in letter case or verb tense when integrating a quote into your paper.
Use brackets to enclose a change in letter case or verb tense when integrating a quote into your paper. Use bracketed material in a way that twists the author’s meaning.


[1] Salvucci, Dario D., and Niels A. Taatgen. Multitasking Minds. Oxford: Oxford UP, 2011. eBook Collection (EBSCOhost). Web. 20 Feb. 2012.

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Ok

tl:dr;

RaveRadbury wrote:smh all these players thinking they can just ignore the wiki and its charts

if its a non moderated page then yes

Kat Ears???

If you want an AI that's the crew's bitch instead of all and only human's bitch, you should change its laws to be as such.

What punctuation shouwd be used when wowds awe insewted ow awtewed in a diwect quotation?

When wwitews insewt ow awtew wowds in a diwect quotation, squawe bwackets—[ ]—awe pwaced awound the change. The bwackets, awways used in paiws, encwose wowds intended to cwawify meanying, pwovide a bwief expwanyation, ow to hewp integwate the quote into the wwitew’s sentence. A common ewwow wwitews make is to use pawentheses in pwace of bwackets.

What punctuation shouwd be used when wowds awe insewted ow awtewed in a diwect quotation?

When wwitews insewt ow awtew wowds in a diwect quotation, squawe bwackets—[ ]—awe pwaced awound the change. The bwackets, awways used in paiws, encwose wowds intended to cwawify meanying, pwovide a bwief expwanyation, ow to hewp integwate the quote into the wwitew’s sentence. A common ewwow wwitews make is to use pawentheses in pwace of bwackets.

How awe squawe bwackets used awound cwawifying ow expwanyatowy wowds?
Wet’s wook at an exampwe:

Quotation with bwackets used cowwectwy awound a cwawifying wowd:

“It [dwiving] imposes a heavy pwoceduwaw wowkwoad on cognyition that . . . weaves wittwe pwocessing capacity avaiwabwe fow othew tasks” (Sawvucci and Taatgen 107). [1]

Nyote: Bwackets awe pwaced awound the insewted wowd in this exampwe to wet the weadew knyow that ‘dwiving’ cwawifies the meanying of the pwonyoun ‘it.’

Quotation with pawentheses incowwectwy used in pwace of bwackets:

“It (dwiving) imposes a heavy pwoceduwaw wowkwoad on cognyition that . . . weaves wittwe pwocessing capacity avaiwabwe fow othew tasks” (Sawvucci and Taatgen 107).

Nyote: Pawentheses awe used incowwectwy in pwace of bwackets in this exampwe, making the insewted wowd wook wike it couwd be pawt of the owiginyaw text.

Wet’s wook at anyothew exampwe:

Quotation with bwackets used cowwectwy awound an expwanyatowy insewt:

“[D]wiving is nyot as automatic as onye might think; in fact, it imposes a heavy pwoceduwaw wowkwoad [visuaw and motow demands] on cognyition that . . . weaves wittwe pwocessing capacity avaiwabwe fow othew tasks” (Sawvucci and Taatgen 107).

Nyote: Bwackets awe pwaced awound the insewted wowds in this exampwe to pwovide fuwthew expwanyation of the “pwoceduwaw wowkwoad” discussed in the owiginyaw text.

Quotation with pawentheses incowwectwy used in pwace of bwackets:

“[D]wiving is nyot as automatic as onye might think; in fact, it imposes a heavy pwoceduwaw wowkwoad (visuaw and motow demands) on cognyition that . . . weaves wittwe pwocessing capacity avaiwabwe fow othew tasks” (Sawvucci and Taatgen 107).

Nyote: Pawentheses awe used incowwectwy in pwace of bwackets in this exampwe, making the insewted wowds wook wike they awe pawt of the owiginyaw text.

How awe squawe bwackets used to hewp integwate a quote pwopewwy?
Wet’s wook at an exampwe:

Owiginyaw diwect quotation beginnying with an uppew case wettew:

“The heavy cognyitive wowkwoad of dwiving suggests that any secondawy task has the potentiaw to affect dwivew behaviow” (Sawvucci and Taatgen 108).

Integwated quotation with bwackets used cowwectwy to indicate a change in wettew case:

Sawvucci and Taatgen pwopose that “[t]he heavy cognyitive wowkwoad of dwiving suggests that any secondawy task has the potentiaw to affect dwivew behaviow” (108).

Nyote: Bwackets awe pwaced awound the wowew-case wettew‘t’ to indicate that the wettew case has been changed. The quotation is intwoduced by a signyaw phwase, which makes the quote an integwaw pawt of the wwitew’s sentence; as a wesuwt of this syntacticaw change, the uppew case ‘T’ in the owiginyaw is changed to a wowew case wettew.

Wet’s wook at anyothew exampwe:

Owiginyaw diwect quotation wwitten in the past tense:

“Nyot coincidentawwy, dwivews have been incweasingwy engaging in secondawy tasks whiwe dwiving” (Sawvucci and Taatgen 68).

Nyote: The authows’ wowds appeaw in the past tense in the owiginyaw text.

Quotation with bwackets used cowwectwy to indicate a change in vewb tense:

“Nyot coincidentawwy, dwivews [awe] incweasingwy engaging in secondawy tasks whiwe dwiving” (Sawvucci and Taatgen 68).

Nyote: Bwackets awe pwaced awound the wowd ‘awe’ to indicate that the vewb has been changed to the pwesent tense, which is the pwefewwed tense fow most wwiting in MWA stywe. The past tense is pwefewwed fow APA stywe wwiting.

A wowd of caution: Bwacketed insewtions may nyot be used to awtew ow add to the quotation in a way that inyaccuwatewy ow unfaiwwy wepwesents the owiginyaw text. Quite simpwy, do nyot use bwacketed matewiaw in a way that twists the authow’s meanying.

Bwacket Use: Quick Summawy
Do Don’t
Use bwackets to encwose insewted wowds intended to cwawify meanying within a quotation. Use pawentheses when insewting wowds into a quotation.
Use bwackets to encwose insewted wowds intended to pwovide a bwief expwanyation within a quotation. Use pawentheses to encwose a change in wettew case ow vewb tense when integwating a quote into youw papew.
Use bwackets to encwose a change in wettew case ow vewb tense when integwating a quote into youw papew. Use bwacketed matewiaw in a way that twists the authow’s meanying.


[1] Sawvucci, Dawio D., and Nyiews A. Taatgen. Muwtitasking Minds. Oxfowd: Oxfowd UP, 2011. eBook Cowwection (EBSCOhost). Web. 20 Feb. 2012.

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