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https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28213
Hmm I wonder why he's back in town


Oh wait, looks like he got lonely over the xmas period

cacogen wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Screemonster wrote:Why do people argue their fuckin constitutional rights about being UNFAIRLY BANNED from a social gathering

he's got the same energy as some dipshit that calls the cops over being ejected from a wendy's

Because freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence.

Are you joking or mind-bogglingly retarded?

I don't think it's possible to know what interpretation of the motivation behind each other's posts each of them is responding to. Rohen seems to resent the idea when presented by Misdoubtful, an admin that the right to free speech doesn't protect him from all possible consequences of the speech it protects. Misdoubtful seems to want to see saying n      made illegal and cops brought in to arrest people for saying racist things in public.

True honestly. Assumptions and miscommunication are the devil. I'm guilty of it too.

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Screemonster wrote:Why do people argue their fuckin constitutional rights about being UNFAIRLY BANNED from a social gathering

he's got the same energy as some dipshit that calls the cops over being ejected from a wendy's

Because freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence.

Are you joking or mind-bogglingly retarded?

I'll let you think about that one when you get arrested for screaming obscenities in public.

Ok so the second one.
I don't scream obscenities in public, I just consider the UDHR a better source of human rights definitions than Twitter/digg.

Absolutely, I understand 100%. Whatever you gotta tell yourself to make it true. Nation-wide agreements don't nullify national laws.

Good thing I don't live in whereever the fuck freedom of speech is defined as the state being unable to use censorship but being able to retaliate against people who express dissenting oppinions in any way state officials see fit. Which I guess is North Korea and Syberia because asynchornous communication and therefore also censorship is impossible in those places.

You should really take the time to look at the different bits of unprotected speech and public morality clauses all the around the world then. Italy, the US, Denmark, Sweden. Consequence isn't the same as censorship by the way. Unless you think hate speech laws themselves are censorship, but then you'd be telling on yourself. So lets avoid that, please.

Yes, consequence isn't the same as censorship.
No, freedom of speech isn't equal to freedom from censorship.
Freedom of speech includes freedom from censorship.

Again, my definition of the right to freedom of speech pretty much alligns with the UDHR.
Also, my local laws allow me to express all oppinions I unironically hold without any state retaliation at all.

Rohen_Tahir wrote:e

Fantastic, all I was really getting at is how different these national laws are. Now I'll be moving on to point at France enforcing laws where men have to wear speedos at the beach.

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:e

Fantastic, all I was really getting at is how different these national laws are. Now I'll be moving on to point at France enforcing laws where men have to wear speedos at the beach.

Oi mate you are handling salmon in suspicious circumstances.

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:e

Fantastic, all I was really getting at is how different these national laws are. Now I'll be moving on to point at France enforcing laws where men have to wear speedos at the beach.

Oi mate you are handling salmon in suspicious circumstances.

Better not drive a dirty car in Russia you'll get a fine.

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:e

Fantastic, all I was really getting at is how different these national laws are. Now I'll be moving on to point at France enforcing laws where men have to wear speedos at the beach.

Oi mate you are handling salmon in suspicious circumstances.

Better not drive a dirty car in Russia you'll get a fine.

Am I being mistaken for a deedub supporter
Big chungus?

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:e

Fantastic, all I was really getting at is how different these national laws are. Now I'll be moving on to point at France enforcing laws where men have to wear speedos at the beach.

Oi mate you are handling salmon in suspicious circumstances.

Better not drive a dirty car in Russia you'll get a fine.

Am I being mistaken for a deedub supporter
Big chungus?

die

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

Misdoubtful wrote:

Rohen_Tahir wrote:e

Fantastic, all I was really getting at is how different these national laws are. Now I'll be moving on to point at France enforcing laws where men have to wear speedos at the beach.

Oi mate you are handling salmon in suspicious circumstances.

Better not drive a dirty car in Russia you'll get a fine.

Am I being mistaken for a deedub supporter
Big chungus?

I didn't even see the off color text until it got quoted ouch.

what the fuck even happened to this thread

free speech doesn't entitle you access to other people's property if they want you to fuck off then off you fuck

weh weh weh but muh free speech but muh censorship muh right to stand in your dining room and scream obscenities into a bullhorn

Screemonster wrote:what the fuck even happened to this thread

free speech doesn't entitle you access to other people's property if they want you to fuck off then off you fuck

weh weh weh but muh free speech but muh censorship muh right to stand in your dining room and scream obscenities into a bullhorn

Did you know that its not against the law to escape prison in Denmark?

Misdoubtful wrote:

Screemonster wrote:what the fuck even happened to this thread

free speech doesn't entitle you access to other people's property if they want you to fuck off then off you fuck

weh weh weh but muh free speech but muh censorship muh right to stand in your dining room and scream obscenities into a bullhorn

Did you know that its not against the law to escape prison in Denmark?

I did not know that but I guess it's already technically covered by other crimes like contempt of court

Misdoubtful wrote:

Screemonster wrote:what the fuck even happened to this thread

free speech doesn't entitle you access to other people's property if they want you to fuck off then off you fuck

weh weh weh but muh free speech but muh censorship muh right to stand in your dining room and scream obscenities into a bullhorn

Did you know that its not against the law to escape prison in Denmark?

so if you escape and they grab you they just put you back in and you sit off the rest of your time or what?

If memory serves its because they believe "of course prisoners will want to escape prison sucks" and they don't punish people for doing the 'obvious'

yeah danish are cringe, what a surprise?

Screemonster wrote:free speech doesn't entitle you access to other people's property if they want you to fuck off then off you fuck

I agree. Partially because this allows me to protect my house from meta-ethical relativists.

Freedom of speech is directly related to freedom from consequences. Freedom of speech outlines what can be expressed and what can and cannot be consequences regarding that speech.

Some people think that freedom of speech should/do apply to all forms of speech, they don't, in any country.

Lacran wrote:Freedom of speech is directly related to freedom from consequences. Freedom of speech outlines what can be expressed and what can and cannot be consequences regarding that speech.

Some people think that freedom of speech should/do apply to all forms of speech, they don't, in any country.

regardless of consequences, the freedom to say what you want doesn't grant you any additional privilege to say it wherever you want
the right to read out every racial slur in existence doesn't usurp the right for people to choose who they allow to access their property, you don't get to trespass because you're doing it in order to speak
nobody is taking away deedubya's right to play SS13 as is evident by the existence of boomerstation, he can play SS13 as much as he wants, he's just mad he can't force other people to play with him when they don't want to

I was the one to confine him to FNR
And I did it with le funny infinity wars quote

Deedub