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https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/64464
"I do not like romerol and I do not like zombies"

iprice wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:33 pm Romerol's a fun race against time, especially around medical. The devaluation of TCs makes rarifying things complicated though (similarly with TC trades)

No way of ending the round? Isn't that most things? Spiders, xenos, any powerful antag in a late revs round can just take over the station and if the shuttle isn't coming then it stagnates, same as zombies. Most things don't have a "defined ending", they either get killed, or they force a shuttle call and kill anyone they can. We have admins and vote restart to deal with the few things that fall through the cracks.

Nuke when 90% of souled non SSD mobs on station Z's are zombies.

It will be rarer and more impressive if locked behind 1300+ rep and a lot of TC than it was before when it was a 25 TC trade? 40 could be a reasonably tall order for that rep.

oranges wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:08 pm

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:35 pm its okay for things to be a little bad sometimes if they're rare, unique, interesting, and result in small flashes of exciting gameplay

yeah so when will zombies be any of those things ever.

HOLY SHIT.

PLAY

THE FUCKING

GAME

massa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:11 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:02 pm

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:38 am

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:06 am I will stand up for the mouse and say that this is actually true. That's why they need to be rare, and we should simply just remove the progtraitor round end ones only.

What ways remain, then?

Since it's not removed from the game, we'll still see it on occasion from admins, which is what I'm happy about

It is functionally removed from the game and is irrelevant unless it remains a final objective or item for purchase, and that's what we want to stop.

Getting to these objectives is very difficult for all but the most robust, and even they won't make it a crazy amount of time. Romerol or star fury are equal in fun potential. They are both good, and the objective is a good one, even if it's extremely rare and can only be gotten from that objective. Just make it like a reasonable percentage to roll for rarity.

It's too common if it can be routinely achieved through an endgame objective. Also sounds like Mothblocks said there was already a way for it to happen without admins, so I think we can all be satisfied.

Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:28 amMate stop saying what i needed a whole paragraph for in two sentences. It makes me look bad

What can I say, it's a gift

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:29 pm

massa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:11 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:02 pm

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:38 am

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:06 am I will stand up for the mouse and say that this is actually true. That's why they need to be rare, and we should simply just remove the progtraitor round end ones only.

What ways remain, then?

Since it's not removed from the game, we'll still see it on occasion from admins, which is what I'm happy about

It is functionally removed from the game and is irrelevant unless it remains a final objective or item for purchase, and that's what we want to stop.

Getting to these objectives is very difficult for all but the most robust, and even they won't make it a crazy amount of time. Romerol or star fury are equal in fun potential. They are both good, and the objective is a good one, even if it's extremely rare and can only be gotten from that objective. Just make it like a reasonable percentage to roll for rarity.

It's too common if it can be routinely achieved through an endgame objective. Also sounds like Mothblocks said there was already a way for it to happen without admins, so I think we can all be satisfied.

I don't think so at all, it's still effective removal. A lot of things are potentially doable that just don't happen.

The coders can tweak the rarity. Make it 20% chance to spawn a romerol objective instead of another one once you hit sicko mode (or however it actually works, that was just the cheapest example). If people can routinely and consistently hit the insanely high numbers, which is an almost impossible order for most station's crews, I think it would be fine as a rarer roll that could be very expensive at the cost of the traitor. If it can ONLY spawn on a max level tot after 60+ minutes and is very rare to spawn as an objective, how could that ever be a problem?

And why is zombies somehow worse for the crew than... 15 nukies? Neither are bad. Both seemingly clearly lend to big fun in my opinion.

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:24 pm

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:38 am

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:06 am I will stand up for the mouse and say that this is actually true. That's why they need to be rare, and we should simply just remove the progtraitor round end ones only.

What ways remain, then?

Necrotic revival

Huh, yeah I suppose that'd work, actually. I don't think I've ever seen someone do that.