/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:41 am**

Bottom post of the previous page:

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The last thing you'd want in your nuts is someone's foot fungus. But as it turns out, that might be what you get.
A 4channer uploaded a photo anonymously to the site showcasing his feet on nuts with the statement 'This is the nuts you gobble at Player's Club.'
Admittedly, he had shoes on. But that's even worse.

Pre-entry opens in three days.

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:14 am**

Farquaar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:52 pm The real question is whether goof's thread will end up being 10 pages of arguing like previous elections

God I hope so it's the only joy I find every 6 months

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:14 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

No

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:26 am**

HELP ME GORDAN

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:28 am**

feel free to screenshot to whoever asked

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:38 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:28 am

feel free to screenshot to whoever asked

thank you

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:45 am**

can I put my headmin election thread in your jaws

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:51 am**

You should vote for Timber he's a pretty cool dude.

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:51 am**

At last, a true gamer throws his hat into the ring

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:00 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

What is this, babby's first vote on every pr suggestion? Boo. Oh, and randomly headmins are thrown in to administrate the repository? Daring today, aren't we?

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:55 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

This feels like the unconditional acceleration view on the divide between codebase and administration. (for further reading, see: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whackjob)

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:58 am**

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:55 am
san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?
This feels like the unconditional acceleration view on the divide between codebase and administration.

“TG is TG”

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:38 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:58 am“TG is TG”

That's /tg/ to you, mister

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:50 am**

Farquaar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:38 am
san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:58 am“TG is TG”
That's /tg/ to you, mister

I quoted it for a reason.

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:11 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

lol

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:22 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

Local man fails to comprehend codebase and server politics episode 200

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:38 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

deranged

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:52 am**

i can practically hear the gavel in that document

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:25 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

Does this look trustworthy to you? Does this look sane to you?

It sure as hell doesn't to me.

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:49 pm**

Can my vote count as a -1 for some individuals running?

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 6:29 pm**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

I guess it depends on how a vote is started, but 3/5 player majority is way too low of a bar. Pretty much any controversial change or decision would probably get someone removed.

Like imagine if this was around when cloning got axed. Overall a good decision, but people were pissed when it happened. A removal poll would have probably gotten to 60%.

I do think having some sort of process for removal might be a good idea, but this is way too easy.

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:13 pm**

Bee does this where their playerbase has to vote on PRs before they go through. Bee is also stuck in like 2018 TG because of it.

There needs to be a way for coders to push through controversial changes that will be good for the overall health of the game despite the playervote. If you did this maybe you could give headcoders a few "veto" cards each year to push important PRs through despite player opinion, whereas less important but still super unpopular PRs would be overruled.

I doubt it's a good idea to let players control what's in the codebase but if you wanted to do it that seems like it'd be the best way.

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:41 pm**

Also: to anyone considering/thinking that letting Game Server Administration have power over the codebase should look at Bay. I heard all of the maintainers resigned over it.

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:35 pm**

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:13 pm Bee does this where their playerbase has to vote on PRs before they go through. Bee is also stuck in like 2018 TG because of it.

There needs to be a way for coders to push through controversial changes that will be good for the overall health of the game despite the playervote. If you did this maybe you could give headcoders a few "veto" cards each year to push important PRs through despite player opinion, whereas less important but still super unpopular PRs would be overruled.

I doubt it's a good idea to let players control what's in the codebase but if you wanted to do it that seems like it'd be the best way.

I agree but all of coding general is removing romerol in their sleep

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:43 pm**

that pr went stale because nobody wants to merge it and i wonder if oranges forgot about it

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:58 pm**

As usual, sticky's headmin thread is simply too based for most players to understand why the platform contained within would make their games better. Not sarcastic.

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:14 pm**

i unironically like a lot of what sticky said but i also enjoy playing ai sometimes so maybe im a statistical outlier

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:17 pm**

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:43 pm that pr went stale because nobody wants to merge it and i wonder if oranges forgot about it

in their sleeeep!!!

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:56 pm**

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:58 pm As usual, sticky's headmin thread is simply too based for most players to understand why the platform contained within would make their games better. Not sarcastic.

Yeah i found myself agreeing with sticky for the most part. Kinda weird

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:08 pm**

Alphanerdd wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:56 pm
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:58 pm As usual, sticky's headmin thread is simply too based for most players to understand why the platform contained within would make their games better. Not sarcastic.
Yeah i found myself agreeing with sticky for the most part. Kinda weird

Posted: **Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:45 pm**

I figured I'd throw my hat into the ring again. I can find the time to do the work if I win.

Genuinely though I do think a Fusion RP ruleset would be best to preserve the classic /tg/ experience.
Either this goes for a new unified tgstation ruleset, or a specific server to try it out first.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:33 am**

I usually don't have an opinion on these shitshows but Sticky has some policies that would pole-vault quality if they were executed.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:40 am**

Sticky's policies are fucking great

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:52 am**

Sticky has been epic for years and I am glad people are finalizing realizing this

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:02 am**

I think Sticky is one of the most deranged admins on /tg/ and his platform is still top-tier.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:30 am**

Man if this Sticky guy is so cool, why hasn’t he been headmin yet?

WAIT

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:21 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

Boopboops has been taken down by Big Tech (Google) for his views as a /tg/ headmin. This is one of the few surviving screenshots.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:38 am**

Gupta has now made a headmin candidacy application.

Very pleasing to me is that they are advocating community re-unification as well.

The more people we get on board with that idea, the more public opinion shifts hopefully. I wish them luck!

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:46 pm**

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:38 am Gupta has now made a headmin candidacy application.

Very pleasing to me is that they are advocating community re-unification as well.

The more people we get on board with that idea, the more public opinion shifts hopefully. I wish them luck!

I did it half jokingly, vote for someone you think will be a good headmin candidate.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:16 pm**

One of my new major campaign issues: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31013

#ConcurCampaign

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:33 pm**

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:58 pm As usual, sticky's headmin thread is simply too based for most players to understand why the platform contained within would make their games better. Not sarcastic.

I voted Sticky very high up last cycle - his new campaign thread does not look great. Begins by calling everyone who might even potentially disagree with him idiotic sheeple. Does not seem to care what players want or think, and suggests he will instill his own policies because of his personal beliefs about what will be good for the game. Openly expresses a lack of interest in hearing contrary opinions or even feedback.

Finishes strong by saying admins should ban people more over minor things. OCK ICK? Sit out for a week, then maybe you'll learn...

I'm sure their intentions are good but I really disliked the tenor of the thread.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:57 pm**

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:33 pm I'm sure their intentions are good but I really disliked the tenor of the thread.

No, their intentions are entirely self-serving. You can be 100% certain of that at any given time.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:03 pm**

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:33 pm I'm sure their intentions are good but I really disliked the tenor of the thread.

Yeah i agreed with most of the issues in the thread, but the tone was pretty off.

Like the bit about raising the standards of LRP. That's something I want to see happen, but it's full of shit like "flipclapspamming sussy zamners."

And the stuff about harsher punishments for minor offenses is dumb. People aren't going to learn faster, they're just going to stop playing tg. In my opinion positive admin interactions are by far the best way to encourage good behavior. Especially for newer players, a reminder on the rules from admins can go a long way towards future behavior.

"Training the worst players like dogs," "more effective than notes and warnings and lovely ahelp conversations" Like fucking hell, condescending much? I really like most of these policies, i just wish it was someone other than sticky championing them.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:07 pm**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am What do you guys think?

If 3/5 of players, including downstream players, was enough to vote out a coder we would have literally no coders.
Not that “coder” is an official position anyway.

EDIT: I didn’t realize there was a whole second page, seems like people already said what I said.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:34 pm**

Donpedrito wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:07 pm If 3/5 of players, including downstream players, was enough to vote out a coder we would have literally no coders.
Not that “coder” is an official position anyway.

You would not have any good coders left because they all just want to run a sledgehammer through the game to suit their whims.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:07 pm**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

Yes lets run on a platform making promises the the position you're running for has 0 authority to implement

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:52 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?

viewtopic.php?p=630303#p630303

And, we're back.

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:36 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:52 am
san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?
viewtopic.php?p=630303#p630303

And, we're back.

This man runs the coder oppression party.

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:27 am**

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:36 am
san7890 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:52 am
san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?
viewtopic.php?p=630303#p630303

And, we're back.
This man runs the coder oppression party.

Good, coding is a moral failure and should be punished

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:09 am**

why do people who started playing in 2021 think they deserve human rights much less the ability to run in elections

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:16 am**

san7890 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:52 am
san7890 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 am viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30999

What do you guys think?
viewtopic.php?p=630303#p630303

And, we're back.

6 months is already a blink of an eye. Any good faith movement with evidence would come up in like month 4 or 5 of a term and would accomplish nothing.

If in a headmin platform it'll be the same as the rest, work for the sake of work or a pyramid/vanity project to say you've done something. More candidates need to be okay stating that they will work to keep the lights on and be active and none of these goals to pointlessly pursue more bureaucracy to pad out air time.

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:11 am**

Qbmax32 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:09 am why do people who started playing in 2021 think they deserve human rights much less the ability to run in elections

Honestly it’s a shame because I like those people, I just think you’d need to have been part of TG for at least a year before you’d have the wherewithal to make paradigm-shifting rule and policy decisions.

I agree with rule 3 being implemented but anyone who advocates for it to be forced in, whether for the greater good or not, is not someone who I’d vote for. Testing and feedback should be important parts of any discussion that would change the game to such an extreme degree.

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