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Read the PR here:
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/67768

Combat shotguns are gone. Now we have energy shotguns and a laser machine gun forcefield projector...thing.

Read the design document here:
https://hackmd.io/@6DbtsAKCTtW_9MByKFjZqg/r1xYKCNOt

Other aspects:
- Potential removal of pipeguns, if crew continues attempting to regularly utilize ballistics
- Potential further nerfing or removal of Mosins
- Potential movement of the Deltra (the laser machine gun) to ERTs

Thoughts?

And so I did

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:48 am And so I did

based

I'll come back to this. I think there was enough concern with general balance as is and I feel nothing will budge on shotguns given recent discussions without cobby coming back to talk with him on it.

cacogen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:04 am did we not learn our lesson with thermal pistols? don't replace something good with something shit... jesus chris t

and theyre shit because theyre jank, like a bad mod, prs that overhaul core parts of the game should be seamless (actually all prs should be but thats too much to hope)

After having fucked with thermal pistols as opposed to the 551s or whatever, these are pure ass. They're not ugly, but they're definitely not as good looking. They're less fun. They're built around a neat enough gimmick, the problem is that that gimmick is *the* gimmick. Can we just have a nice gun that shoots at people? WT was king.

BALLISTICS ARE FUN PEOPLE LIKE BULLETS. ENERGY WEAPONS SUCK, WE HAVE ENOUGH. Especially niche ones with gimmicks. Please stop trying to remove ballistics. Give us MORE options, stop replacing/removing them. Why remove?

massa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:20 pm BALLISTICS ARE FUN PEOPLE LIKE BULLETS. ENERGY WEAPONS SUCK, WE HAVE ENOUGH. Especially niche ones with gimmicks. Please stop trying to remove ballistics. Give us MORE options, stop replacing/removing them. Why remove?

What if we had a gun that shot like a ballistic and felt like a ballistic but the bullets were colored in energetic sparkles so you know it was an energy gun.

To reload you fill it with metal, and it only does like 2 damage when uncharged

oh wait I accidentally just invented this pr

Shadowflame909 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:34 pm

massa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:20 pm BALLISTICS ARE FUN PEOPLE LIKE BULLETS. ENERGY WEAPONS SUCK, WE HAVE ENOUGH. Especially niche ones with gimmicks. Please stop trying to remove ballistics. Give us MORE options, stop replacing/removing them. Why remove?

What if we had a gun that shot like a ballistic and felt like a ballistic but the bullets were colored in energetic sparkles so you know it was an energy gun.

To reload you fill it with metal, and it only does like 2 damage when uncharged

oh wait I accidentally just invented this pr

To be honest, a gun you can load with different materials for different effects would be kinda neat

massa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:20 pm these are pure ass. They're not ugly, but they're definitely not as good looking. They're less fun

delusional

the autorifles are stupid boring ass generic assault rifles. literally the most generic gun i've ever seen, doesnt do anything remarkable at all
the thermal pistols look sick as hell and they make a cool ass BWA BWA noise when you shoot them and they also do funny piercing wounds that embed and make people bleed out and are funny as hell. You are wrong and your opinion sucks

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:08 pm the autorifles are stupid boring ass generic assault rifles. literally the most generic gun i've ever seen, doesnt do anything remarkable at all
the thermal pistols look sick as hell and they make a cool ass BWA BWA noise when you shoot them and they also do funny piercing wounds that embed and make people bleed out and are funny as hell. You are wrong and your opinion sucks

there is no reason to not have simple, straight forward weaponry that comes without gimmicks. that kind of stuff is good.

the 550s were even made to be used in space stations. we can have both and people can use both? why REMOVE shit?

massa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:16 pm

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:08 pm the autorifles are stupid boring ass generic assault rifles. literally the most generic gun i've ever seen, doesnt do anything remarkable at all
the thermal pistols look sick as hell and they make a cool ass BWA BWA noise when you shoot them and they also do funny piercing wounds that embed and make people bleed out and are funny as hell. You are wrong and your opinion sucks

there is no reason to not have simple, straight forward weaponry that comes without gimmicks. that kind of stuff is good.

the 550s were even made to be used in space stations. we can have both and people can use both? why REMOVE shit?

because they're boring and nobody is going to use other guns when the autorifle exists and is superior to all of them

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:46 pm

massa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:16 pm

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:08 pm the autorifles are stupid boring ass generic assault rifles. literally the most generic gun i've ever seen, doesnt do anything remarkable at all
the thermal pistols look sick as hell and they make a cool ass BWA BWA noise when you shoot them and they also do funny piercing wounds that embed and make people bleed out and are funny as hell. You are wrong and your opinion sucks

there is no reason to not have simple, straight forward weaponry that comes without gimmicks. that kind of stuff is good.

the 550s were even made to be used in space stations. we can have both and people can use both? why REMOVE shit?

because they're boring and nobody is going to use other guns when the autorifle exists and is superior to all of them

no, having normal weapons is good

SS13 is a game with an action economy. You know why autorifles are loved?

Because they have high ammo capacity (fewer reload actions) and no gimmick that requires actions (thermo pistol shuffling, cocking).

Energy guns are almost the same, but reloading takes a lot of actions unless you spend the time waiting for a reload doing something.

You could just unload both pistols into someone with dualwielding. They have more accurate dual wielding capability. You can reliably hit targets at about 3 tiles or so, or so I found.