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Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:04 am
by TheLoLSwat

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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:09 pm
by Hoolny
Everytime I’m a heretic and sec finds even a sign of me being a heretic through rift prints they instantly search me if they see anything heretic like they instantly execute me on the spot

Here is me giving a heretic a minor debuff while a chef tries to help an antag shoved me around stops me from doing arrest steals a disabler and break into sec meanwhile when I’m trying to do the one surgery the heretic rages and ghosts for losing some ears

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:10 pm
by toemas
rasonj wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:07 pm I posted them because his interaction with the cook seemed exceedingly shitsec to me
Actually it was based and redpilled

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:12 pm
by toemas
rasonj wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:07 pm He claims they shoved him around while the mime was in handcuffs but I don't see it in the logs.
Im a witness and i can confirm that this was certainly true. They had like a five minute long goose chase/scuffle where the chef saved the mime several times

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:19 pm
by toemas
Doesnt really matter though because of the ghost role grudging; Seth has literally done exactly this to me but he got away with it because the admin who handled my ahelp wasnt very smart
next ban reider and lisa

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:21 pm
by Hoolny
If I did? you should bring it up here I don’t remember doing this before

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:25 pm
by Vekter
ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:26 pm To all the people bringing up his past: it is completely irrelevant.
If he did things he shouldn't have done, and was punished for doing them, then that is resolved, and he shouldn't incur double jeopardy.
1) Double jeopardy only applies to the same instance of committing a crime and not future ones. You can't be punished twice for murdering someone, but you can be punished for murdering someone again.
2) You're completely irrelevant.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:13 am
by Epoc
Image

Seth won

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:26 am
by EmpressMaia
reider mesa sucks

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:52 am
by Qbmax32
toemas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:04 pm its not "validhunting" or "kill-hungry" to kill friendly/low-effort antags :)
always kill friendly wizards

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:09 am
by BeeSting12
Qbmax32 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:52 am
toemas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:04 pm its not "validhunting" or "kill-hungry" to kill friendly/low-effort antags :)
always kill friendly wizards
Suicide wizard is the only good nonantagonistic wizard gimmick

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:17 am
by Omega_DarkPotato
"oh yeah guys i'll respond to hoolny in a bit don't worry"

Image

i write too goddamn much

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:56 am
by TheLoLSwat
Hoolny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:02 pm The mime was drawing heretic circles in front of any one so as usual I arrested them and I was gona do a pacification surgery to keep them under control then the chef constantly tried to stop me arrested which I correctly stunned them for it went into the execute chamber to grab tools which then the chef broke into security stole a disablers and tried to disable me then I stunned them while I was talking to them the mime heretic escaped or something I though saw them back in perma where they opened rifts then they started talking as a mime they said they were gona ghost just because I ringed their ears


THE CHEF BROKE INTO SEC AND STOLE A DISABLER
just toss them both in perma isolation wearing muzzles and the 99.999% slowdown shoes and let them stir for 5 minutes(Image ) without letting them know how long they'll sit for being heretics and heretic supporters (since they both are in violation of code 312 ( Image ). AI shouldnt have a problem with this you can rp your way out of it if they do pretty easily since they both will have muzzles and the mime is actually a heretic. Something else will take the attention off of you guys for a bit (which could also be you!) and then you can come into perma, beat the mime to death and then blame the chef for it.

But ONLY do things like this if you intend to be shitsec and rile up the non sec crewmembers, which you should never do as an officer of nanotrasen.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:09 am
by Archie700
Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:17 am "oh yeah guys i'll respond to hoolny in a bit don't worry"

Image

i write too goddamn much
The only issue I have with the note is that it say "complete ignorance of the first law of asimov".
There's no action I see here that resulted in Seth directly harming Reider as a borg, though it could just be because the actions Seth took may have caused Reider to come to harm.
That's it. I don't have any other issues with the note or ban.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:21 am
by Kendrickorium
rasonj wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:44 pm So I was doing a bunch of log diving on this one, and ran into something interesting from the start of the round. A heretic mime drew a rune in the kitchen and Seth saw it. What proceeded was a flashbanging of the entire kitchen and seth throwing the mime around at people hitting the cook and others.
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The cook tried to play it off as a fake rune and repeatedly tried to tell seth the mime had no hurt anyone. Seth continued tossing the mime around and eventually got him handcuffed. The cook taunted him for arresting a non harmful artist to which seth then stunned and kicked the cook.
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The cook followed him to the execution chamber where seth proceeded to freak out on the ai for not letting him in the door to the execution chamber while dragging a human. The mime then broke his vow of silence and begged the ai to not let seth execute him. Cook then berated the mime for speaking and asked the AI to help them save the mime from execution. Seth began pepperspraying the cook and chain stunning them on a table taking them from 92 to 22 hp. It should be noted that as far as I can tell, the mime escaped from seth not because of the cook, but because they shoved the mime while dragging it, then the ai helped it flee.
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The cook and seth get into an argument about why seth was trying to execute in the first place and seth gets mad and starts flash spamming the cook. Cook then gets stripped while not resisting and then Seth starts cutting their legs off with a circular saw putting them in crit.
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okay but thats hilarious

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:18 am
by ekaterina
Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:25 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:26 pm To all the people bringing up his past: it is completely irrelevant.
If he did things he shouldn't have done, and was punished for doing them, then that is resolved, and he shouldn't incur double jeopardy.
1) Double jeopardy only applies to the same instance of committing a crime and not future ones. You can't be punished twice for murdering someone, but you can be punished for murdering someone again.
2) You're completely irrelevant.
1) Of course. However, if your second punishment is worse than it should be because of your earlier crime, then, in effect, you're being punished twice for your first crime.
2) Yet another admin unable to follow forum rules whining about Seth potentially not having followed in game rules. lmao

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:51 am
by Archie700
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:18 am Of course. However, if your second punishment is worse than it should be because of your earlier crime, then, in effect, you're being punished twice for your first crime.
The basis behind escalating bans is that the player has not learnt from their previous recent ban/note and should be punished more harshly because by that point he should know better.
Many permabans are because of bad recent note history.
It is not at all similar to double jeopardy.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:27 am
by ekaterina
Archie700 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:51 am
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:18 am Of course. However, if your second punishment is worse than it should be because of your earlier crime, then, in effect, you're being punished twice for your first crime.
The basis behind escalating bans is that the player has not learnt from their previous recent ban/note and should be punished more harshly because by that point he should know better.
Many permabans are because of bad recent note history.
It is not at all similar to double jeopardy.
I am familiar with the argument. I disagree with it.

Permanently banning someone for minor violations, even if they're repeated, is grossly excessive in my view.
To use Lisa's security player analogy, you wouldn't execute someone because they committed petty theft, even if they had done it many times before.
There has to be a cap to ban escalation, because it reaches a point where it's plainly unreasonable.

Even then, though, what you said would only be applicable to similar violations of the same rule, not to unrelated violations.
This seems to only be his second instance of using ghost roles to get some sort of revenge against the player that killed him (at least of the notes shared by the admin).
There are two other notes pertaining to ghost roles, but they were not about hunting players, one was about loot and the other was about getting emagged on purpose.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:15 am
by Mice World
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:27 am Permanently banning someone for minor violations, even if they're repeated, is grossly excessive in my view.
What else can you do? If they're not improving there's no point temporarily banning them. Omega mentions they've had three chances with abusing meta-knowledge and they show no signs of improvement.

If you were an admin, what would you do? Note them again? Ban them for a week? A month? These have been tried, yet they still average one note every 1-2 months.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:46 am
by ekaterina
Mice World wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:15 am If you were an admin, what would you do? Note them again? Ban them for a week? A month? These have been tried, yet they still average one note every 1-2 months.
One note every 1-2 months. This is serious enough to justify a permanent ban to you?
Mice World wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:15 am What else can you do? If they're not improving there's no point temporarily banning them.
You're looking at this from a point of view of changing the player, which I do not think is what you should be doing. The purpose of a ban should not be to change a player (he is not a kid and you are not his parent, frankly you have no right), but to protect the community from a player's rule-breaking actions. If he changes of his own initiative, that's a good bonus, a win-win even, but it shouldn't be the goal.
The harm in permanently banning a player is much greater than the benefit to the community in having one less fuck-up a month, not to mention how the same protection would be achieved by a ghost role ban.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:59 am
by Agux909
Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:17 am "oh yeah guys i'll respond to hoolny in a bit don't worry"

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i write too goddamn much
Damn Omega, yeah that was a big one. There's a lot of context we were (still are) missing and you did a really good job at explaining your reasoning and train of thought.

At least for me, just by seeing what was appealed here on the forums, it just didn't justify a perma, even if Seth isn't the most exemplary player. Damn I've hated things he does on some rounds we played together too.

But yeah after reading all the new context and points of view, I think you've done a good service both to Hoolny and the servers. Cheers, I hope he can improve and get back with an improved playstyle.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:20 pm
by Mice World
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:46 am One note every 1-2 months. This is serious enough to justify a permanent ban to you?
I never said this. What justifies a permanent ban is the lack of change. If a player gets a note every few months then they're obviously doing something wrong. But if they learn from their mistakes instead of repeating them, they shouldn't be banned.
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:46 am You're looking at this from a point of view of changing the player, which I do not think is what you should be doing. You should be looking at what's best for the community.
Changing a problem player IS good for the community.
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:46 am The harm in permanently banning a player is much greater than the benefit to the community in having one less fuck-up a month.
Disagree. It doesn't matter how good a player someone is, if they're willing to make the game worse for their own enjoyment, they're a net negative. Also this ban isn't "permanent". If Seth is willing to wait a year or actively show he is improving his play, he can appeal again.
Mice World wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:15 am If you were an admin, what would you do?
You never answered this.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:32 pm
by conrad
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:18 am
Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:25 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:26 pm To all the people bringing up his past: it is completely irrelevant.
If he did things he shouldn't have done, and was punished for doing them, then that is resolved, and he shouldn't incur double jeopardy.
1) Double jeopardy only applies to the same instance of committing a crime and not future ones. You can't be punished twice for murdering someone, but you can be punished for murdering someone again.
2) You're completely irrelevant.
1) Of course. However, if your second punishment is worse than it should be because of your earlier crime, then, in effect, you're being punished twice for your first crime.
2) Yet another admin unable to follow forum rules whining about Seth potentially not having followed in game rules. lmao
Imagine not understanding criminal record.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:34 pm
by ekaterina
Mice World wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:20 pm
Mice World wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:15 am If you were an admin, what would you do?
You never answered this.
In this particular instance, I don't think Seth did anything really severe. He was an Asimov borg trying to prevent human harm.
If the concerns about him using metaknowledge of Reider's location were found to be true, I'd give him a note - otherwise, I'd do nothing at all.
Mice World wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:15 am
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:46 am You're looking at this from a point of view of changing the player, which I do not think is what you should be doing. You should be looking at what's best for the community.
Changing a problem player IS good for the community.
Doesn't change the fact that you don't have a right to tell someone else who to be.
You do, however, obviously have a right to protect yourself from someone else who chooses to harm you and your community.
The latter should be the basis for bans.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:22 pm
by Ryusenshu
At MINIMUM this would be a perma ghost and silicon ban, just a note for something like this would be stupid

I think admin handled it well here

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:35 pm
by ekaterina
Ryusenshu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:22 pm At MINIMUM this would be a perma ghost and silicon ban
While I might not agree, I understand where you're coming from.
A permanent server ban, however, is grossly excessive any way you word it.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:22 pm
by Misdoubtful
Please don't get hung up on the word 'permanent' here.

The reality is that when bans like this happen its because intervention has been attempted multiple times for reoccurring issues or overall issues relating to the spirit of the game and improvements just aren't happening.

The appeal was handled in a respectful way that generated a complete understanding of expectations to return and options being provided on how to return and an agreement to pursue those options.

It serves as a 'shit or get off the pot' moment for when something seriously needs to change and efforts made to help people mesh aren't working. Its a last ditch effort to help someone be able to enjoy the game and be able to participate in it in a healthy way.

The ban is in no way permanent unless the person actively chooses to not make improvements to how they approach the game or attempt to be better.

Otherwise they can appeal in a years time with that time serving as mitigation of behavior alongside an acknowledgement of things, or they can make the active effort to showcase that they are going to do what it takes to mesh with the community expectations and be back in three months or less.

The only permanency here is for those that aren't willing to put in the effort. For those that really care, it equates to a very reasonable three month or less ban. For those that don't care to try, well they surely won't care about not being around in three months or a years time and the game environment will be in a healthier place without those behaviors existing.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:27 pm
by Omega_DarkPotato
Honestly at the rate Hoolny plays he can churn 150 hours out in 1mo (despite my recommendations to take it a little slower)
the bit about "there's no time on a reappeal if you get a vouch" was so that I don't have to just take a written promise to get better - I'm giving Hoolny a chance to directly prove themselves with the incentive that if they do I don't really care about a duration-based "punishment".

Prove that you've learned from where you were messing up or that you've changed from breaking the rules that you've previously had an issue with, and the ban's done all that it needs to - no need to arbitrarily keep people out of the game beyond that.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:42 pm
by ekaterina
Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:27 pm no need to arbitrarily keep people out of the game beyond that
What do you hope to achieve that you wouldn't also achieve with a ghost role ban?

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:43 pm
by Misdoubtful
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:42 pm
Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:27 pm no need to arbitrarily keep people out of the game beyond that
What do you hope to achieve that you wouldn't also achieve with a ghost role ban?
Commitment. Someone can ignore a ghost role ban and continue to play without acknowledging their issues and making the effort to change.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:50 pm
by ekaterina
Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:43 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:42 pm
Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:27 pm no need to arbitrarily keep people out of the game beyond that
What do you hope to achieve that you wouldn't also achieve with a ghost role ban?
Commitment. Someone can ignore a ghost role ban and continue to play without acknowledging their issues and making the effort to change.
And why does this matter to the community? In both cases, the community is shielded from any bad acts on his part as a ghost role.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:09 pm
by Omega_DarkPotato
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:50 pm And why does this matter to the community? In both cases, the community is shielded from any bad acts on his part as a ghost role.
because he (more occasionally) performed very similar bad acts as a non ghostrole.
Although yes, it is more occasional than just his ghostrole specific incidents, they were happening nonetheless in a pattern that was similar to the ghostrole incidents, so I swept them together into this overall ban. A ghostrole can self-antag just as well as a non-ghostrole can, and my goal is to curb it entirely.

As sort of an odd extra positive, pushing hoolny to prove themselves on another server also offers them the opportunity to at the same time get hours in ghostroles should he want to clear that aspect up as well when he comes back (which, again, I don't expect to be taking more than 2mo - he normally has a played rounds/day avg of ~6-10 here, and on some of the other servers out there with longer rounds he'd only need to be making 2-3 rounds a day to get back in ONE month)

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:23 pm
by RedBaronFlyer
Qbmax32 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:52 am
toemas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:04 pm its not "validhunting" or "kill-hungry" to kill friendly/low-effort antags :)
always kill friendly wizards
Preach. "Friendly" wizards, xenos, spiders, etc, always eventually turn manhunter. Either through constant harassment from some of the crew or, more likely, boredom.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:51 pm
by bastardblaster
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:46 am
Mice World wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:15 am If you were an admin, what would you do? Note them again? Ban them for a week? A month? These have been tried, yet they still average one note every 1-2 months.
One note every 1-2 months. This is serious enough to justify a permanent ban to you?
the average person gets 0-1 notes per year

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:13 pm
by Qbmax32
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:34 pm In this particular instance, I don't think Seth did anything really severe. He was an Asimov borg trying to prevent human harm.
If the concerns about him using metaknowledge of Reider's location were found to be true, I'd give him a note - otherwise, I'd do nothing at all.
lol

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:32 pm
by Armhulen
Qbmax32 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:13 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:34 pm In this particular instance, I don't think Seth did anything really severe. He was an Asimov borg trying to prevent human harm.
If the concerns about him using metaknowledge of Reider's location were found to be true, I'd give him a note - otherwise, I'd do nothing at all.
lol
ekat did a run to the poop store for their opinion and they didn't even tell me?! (i needed my takes on silicon balance)

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:36 pm
by BONERMASTER
Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:22 pm Please don't get hung up on the word 'permanent' here.
[...]
The ban is in no way permanent unless the person actively chooses to not make improvements to how they approach the game or attempt to be better.
I'm not sure I quite follow with your reasoning here.
But I know someone else that would:
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With good regards
-BONERMASTER

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:03 pm
by Misdoubtful
BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:36 pm
Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:22 pm Please don't get hung up on the word 'permanent' here.
[...]
The ban is in no way permanent unless the person actively chooses to not make improvements to how they approach the game or attempt to be better.
I'm not sure I quite follow with your reasoning here.
But I know someone else that would:
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With good regards
-BONERMASTER
I'm not really interested in diving into the semantics of why the phrase 'perma ban' sucks to use in these situations, but the purpose of the ban and its conditions are clear. If there was another way to name it, I'd be more than happy to but logistically that isn't possible. Its a placeholder for anything that doesn't have a defined expiration date. C'mon dude.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:06 pm
by BeeSting12
Are we seriously comparing the permabanning of a player who has had consistent behavioral issues to 1984?

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:08 pm
by iwishforducks
i dont get all the hubbub about this ban, i enjoyed seth deces being around in his time but i also knew he was constantly working his way towards a perma

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:14 pm
by conrad
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:06 pm Are we seriously comparing the permabanning of a player who has had consistent behavioral issues to 1984?
The admin team is in eternal courtship with ideas bespoken of dictactorial intent.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:26 pm
by Cobby
Qbmax32 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:13 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:34 pm In this particular instance, I don't think Seth did anything really severe. He was an Asimov borg trying to prevent human harm.
If the concerns about him using metaknowledge of Reider's location were found to be true, I'd give him a note - otherwise, I'd do nothing at all.
lol
Ive always tended to sway away from bans but if they are being malicious punks then giving them a note is shameful on your, the admin's, end.

If you are going to tell me respawning in several times as different characters to kill someone who has killed you isnt poor taste even to someone who has like a very primitive understanding of RP games before then its very hard to assume youre coming in w good faith. Even darkrp has a similar rule.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:36 pm
by RedBaronFlyer
BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:36 pm
Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:22 pm Please don't get hung up on the word 'permanent' here.
[...]
The ban is in no way permanent unless the person actively chooses to not make improvements to how they approach the game or attempt to be better.
I'm not sure I quite follow with your reasoning here.
But I know someone else that would:
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With good regards
-BONERMASTER
Image

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:39 pm
by conrad
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:36 pm funi
Have my babehs

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:26 pm
by BONERMASTER
At least I get to live in the golden 80s.
And you too, if you're
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With dangerous regards
-BONERMASTER

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:31 pm
by Epicgamer545
guys look I compared the admin team to 1984 please laugh

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:13 pm
by Qbmax32
what a classic! never in my life have I heard a jest so heartfelt and original!

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:38 pm
by RaveRadbury
I can't believe BONERMASTER is getting dragged for 1984-posting in this thread.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:45 pm
by Timberpoes
You have to save 1984 posts for only the most draconian of censorship-via-bans.

Otherwise they lose their dramatic impact.

This is definitely a Brave New World scenario though, not 1984. It's not control through pain, fear and oppression. It's control through love (of peanuts) and pleasure (of seeing people get dunked). Everyone is so placated.

Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:14 pm
by Kendrickorium
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:14 pm
by Kendrickorium
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:20 pm
by conrad
I'm really partial of going Conquest capital with a Gryphon escort, and Hammerheads to fill.
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