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well yeah I agree the slogan is close and yeah I did use the SS one Honestly I did because it sounds cooler not because of the affiliation I think the werhmact one is Oberst or somthing which sounds shit. and again [2023-03-21 00:23:36] Xxx_epicgamer_xxX/(Oberfuhrer Otto Weber) (Bridge (116,110,2)) (Event #9) "you not from the great riech" that quote is taken out of context here I could not understand what the person was saying. as I said to the other admin I could not understand him and if you read what my character was going to be it made sense its like he was a stranger and like your not from where im from.

Adam Klein wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:24 am Can we add being a nazi or EthnoNationalist as a blacklistable offense?

If you’re gonna argue for genocide, please never come back.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:52 am You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:24 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:52 am You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

this is about the “alt-right”, not the “right”, as far as im concerned a majority of right winged people find them distasteful. the alt-right is an entirely separate group of people. and the alt-right was quite literally forged by neo-nazis, hence empressmaia’s statement

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:54 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:24 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:52 am You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

this is about the “alt-right”, not the “right”, as far as im concerned a majority of right winged people find them distasteful. the alt-right is an entirely separate group of people. and the alt-right was quite literally forged by neo-nazis, hence empressmaia’s statement

The majority of right wing people find the majority of other right wing people distasteful. They're not a monolith. Allowing some delgo to lay claim that he FORGED AND FABRICATED THE VERY CONCEPT OF RIGHT WING DISCOURSE IN THE FIRES OF MOUNT RACISM is fuckin stupid.

conrad wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 am

Adam Klein wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:24 am Can we add being a nazi or EthnoNationalist as a blacklistable offense?

If you’re gonna argue for genocide, please never come back.

You can't undox someone. You can stop being a Nazi.

kayozz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:21 pm I dunno, not doubting you but are there any examples of reformed Nazis? As in original Nazis not neo-Nazis.

Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:26 pm

kayozz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:21 pm I dunno, not doubting you but are there any examples of reformed Nazis? As in original Nazis not neo-Nazis.

Look up Operation Paperclip - the US military decided that the Nazis had some pretty good scientists and took em for use in our own research.
Depends on how far you have to go for "proving" reformation, but positive contribution while leaving your original beliefs behind seems like a decent method for doing so - and examples like Wernher von Braun, chief architect of the Saturn V rocket that got man to the moon, had pretty positive contributions.

kayozz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:21 pm I mean... can you? I guess there's reformed previous racists who got away from the bad influencers and ex-skinheads who left the gangs etc.... But surely a view as extreme as being a Nazi is hard to shake away.

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:09 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:54 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:24 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:52 am You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

this is about the “alt-right”, not the “right”, as far as im concerned a majority of right winged people find them distasteful. the alt-right is an entirely separate group of people. and the alt-right was quite literally forged by neo-nazis, hence empressmaia’s statement

The majority of right wing people find the majority of other right wing people distasteful. They're not a monolith. Allowing some delgo to lay claim that he FORGED AND FABRICATED THE VERY CONCEPT OF RIGHT WING DISCOURSE IN THE FIRES OF MOUNT RACISM is fuckin stupid.

if your concept of right wing ideology doesn't distinct alt-right ideology then this sounds like a you problem. i cannot stress my distinction enough

conrad wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:45 pm

kayozz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:21 pm I mean... can you? I guess there's reformed previous racists who got away from the bad influencers and ex-skinheads who left the gangs etc.... But surely a view as extreme as being a Nazi is hard to shake away.

This line of enquiry makes me irrevocably sad. So when someone fucks up, joins the wrong crowd and has the chance to be better, what, we just ignore them and alienate them? Won't that make the same previous crowd, in this case the fucking nazis, seem like the welcoming option?

Punch nazis, sure. But if someone is ashamed and has stopped ascribing to that mentality, we should give them a chance.

kayozz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:06 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:45 pm

kayozz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:21 pm I mean... can you? I guess there's reformed previous racists who got away from the bad influencers and ex-skinheads who left the gangs etc.... But surely a view as extreme as being a Nazi is hard to shake away.

This line of enquiry makes me irrevocably sad. So when someone fucks up, joins the wrong crowd and has the chance to be better, what, we just ignore them and alienate them? Won't that make the same previous crowd, in this case the fucking nazis, seem like the welcoming option?

Punch nazis, sure. But if someone is ashamed and has stopped ascribing to that mentality, we should give them a chance.

I never suggested otherwise. I stated two examples (reformed racists, ex skin-heads) and than asked for examples of genuine Nazis who sought redemption from their past sins. If that makes you sad and makes the Nazis sound welcoming then you have issues that I and nobody here can help. Either that or you have trouble reading? I prefer and hope to think it's the latter.
My point was that a lot of extremists don't seem to be willing or able to shake such views. So finding examples of people who have is a good thing, right?

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:16 pm Yeah everyone should chill out like if someone is being an idiot ban them for being a fucking idiot and say "you can come back when you are no longer an idiot"

kayozz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:32 pm Agreed, sorry for misunderstanding you conrad.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:52 am You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:45 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:52 am You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

That's not what they're saying, they're saying that the person who started the Alt Right movement is a neo-Nazi and the movement itself is built on those same foundations. Not everyone on the right is a Nazi, but anyone who calls themselves Alt-Right has to contend with the fact that their leader is literally a fucking Nazi.

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:01 pm Brother you didn't take issue with people using alt right as a label where it's untaken, you took issue with them using it as a synonym for nazism. That isn't the same argument.
It's an extension but you're denying the base assertion because you don't like the outcome. Doesn't make any sense

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:10 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:45 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:52 am You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

That's not what they're saying, they're saying that the person who started the Alt Right movement is a neo-Nazi and the movement itself is built on those same foundations. Not everyone on the right is a Nazi, but anyone who calls themselves Alt-Right has to contend with the fact that their leader is literally a fucking Nazi.

And what I'm saying is that then people point to any "right wing guy who doesn't immediately kowtow to what I say" and say "you sir, are and alt-right and therefore a Nazi". It's a meaningless ad-hom on the level of pointing at anyone who has ever voted democrat and saying "ok groomer"

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:16 am by the way they typed I imagine this is an edgy 14-year old, not a hardcore skinhead (then again they aren't known for intelligence either....)
be careful not to waste the meaning of the word nazi on dumbass trolls though, so it still has value when you have to call out the definitely real nazis
good ban, we don't need them either way

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:49 pm Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:42 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:49 pm Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

Nah, I know you agreed, I was just saying that we need to treat people who are being edgy idiots like they're not edgy idiots and actually mean it so the real problem doesn't show up.

Boot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:14 pm I to am not a fan of socialists of the national variety or any socialists for that matter.

Boot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:14 pm I to am not a fan of socialists of the national variety or any socialists for that matter.

MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:55 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:42 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:49 pm Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

Nah, I know you agreed, I was just saying that we need to treat people who are being edgy idiots like they're not edgy idiots and actually mean it so the real problem doesn't show up.

hard disagree

Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:44 pm

MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:55 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:42 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:49 pm Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

Nah, I know you agreed, I was just saying that we need to treat people who are being edgy idiots like they're not edgy idiots and actually mean it so the real problem doesn't show up.

hard disagree

Well, if we ever end up with a bunch of Nazis running around, I'll make sure to let you know.