/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:17 am**

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The healing vigilantes are quite annoying. No. We do not want your healing bees. We do not want your goodzu. We do not want healium. We do not want your heal patch.

There's a fucking job and department with talented people designated for healing people, and forbsome fuckingn reason people still think they must spread their healig bullshitbto creew.

Antways the bee person was a fail RPer. Did not think about allergies in a fucking hospital at all. Yikes!

Posted: **Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:28 pm**

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:16 pm How many people actually died due to the bees?

Probably none, but I never really checked

Posted: **Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm**

people who pick the allergy trait for "free trait points" deserve to die to their in game allergies

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:21 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm people who pick the allergy trait for "free trait points" deserve to die to their in game allergies

people salting at doctors after dying to allergies is the funniest thing ever.
My brother in Christ YOU picked this quirk.

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:15 pm**

The best time is when they bitch after not wearing their dog tag

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:00 pm**

I take no quirks.

Except the pineapple one.

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:55 pm**

i like taking the blind perk because it makes my jobs more exciting

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:06 pm**

kinnebian wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:55 pm i like taking the blind perk because it makes my jobs more exciting

I played Miner while blind once.

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:39 pm**

[2023-03-23 19:46:02.642] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I DONT GIVE A FUCK" (Medbay Lobby (125,110,3))
[2023-03-23 19:46:52.008] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "GET YOUR STUPID BEES" (Station Asteroid (107,114,3))
[2023-03-23 19:46:56.025] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "OUT OF MY DEPARTMENT" (Station Asteroid (106,114,3))
[2023-03-23 19:47:06.385] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Kill the fucking botanist." (Station Asteroid (99,118,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:08.243] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Arrest Leia" (Station Asteroid (101,117,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:11.881] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They stole my shit." (Station Asteroid (101,117,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:14.672] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "NOW" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:18.393] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "DID YOU HEAR HOS?" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:22.777] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "ARREST FUCKING LEIA!!" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
08:44:57 ADMIN PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) has created a command report: "Nearly thirteen thousand years of human evolution and I had the displeasure of encountering a crew with the collective IQ of a walnut.
08:45:28 ADMIN Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your paycheck is mine.
08:45:42 ADMIN @Thedragmeme[DC]/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your paycheck is mine.
08:49:10 ADMIN Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your stations a massive joke. All of you are still lucky to have jobs.

yo why the admins so aggressive mang
you guys alright?

08:42:14 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "No." (122, 74, 2) Supermatter Engine
08:42:29 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Put it in my mailbox at central." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
08:42:40 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Oh yeah, what was my title again? Command Represenative. That one." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room

what the hell
why are you mixing your admin status with your character!!! why are you flaunting about it in a smug way!!! holy cringe!!!

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:59 pm**

Fikou wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:39 pm
[2023-03-23 19:46:02.642] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I DONT GIVE A FUCK" (Medbay Lobby (125,110,3))
[2023-03-23 19:46:52.008] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "GET YOUR STUPID BEES" (Station Asteroid (107,114,3))
[2023-03-23 19:46:56.025] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "OUT OF MY DEPARTMENT" (Station Asteroid (106,114,3))
[2023-03-23 19:47:06.385] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Kill the fucking botanist." (Station Asteroid (99,118,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:08.243] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Arrest Leia" (Station Asteroid (101,117,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:11.881] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They stole my shit." (Station Asteroid (101,117,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:14.672] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "NOW" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:18.393] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "DID YOU HEAR HOS?" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:22.777] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "ARREST FUCKING LEIA!!" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
08:44:57 ADMIN PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) has created a command report: "Nearly thirteen thousand years of human evolution and I had the displeasure of encountering a crew with the collective IQ of a walnut.
08:45:28 ADMIN Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your paycheck is mine.
08:45:42 ADMIN @Thedragmeme[DC]/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your paycheck is mine.
08:49:10 ADMIN Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your stations a massive joke. All of you are still lucky to have jobs.
yo why the admins so aggressive mang
you guys alright?
08:42:14 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "No." (122, 74, 2) Supermatter Engine
08:42:29 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Put it in my mailbox at central." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
08:42:40 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Oh yeah, what was my title again? Command Represenative. That one." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
what the hell
why are you mixing your admin status with your character!!! why are you flaunting about it in a smug way!!! holy cringe!!!

This is giving me holodeck card game flashbacks.

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:24 pm**

Fikou wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:39 pm
[2023-03-23 19:46:02.642] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I DONT GIVE A FUCK" (Medbay Lobby (125,110,3))
[2023-03-23 19:46:52.008] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "GET YOUR STUPID BEES" (Station Asteroid (107,114,3))
[2023-03-23 19:46:56.025] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "OUT OF MY DEPARTMENT" (Station Asteroid (106,114,3))
[2023-03-23 19:47:06.385] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Kill the fucking botanist." (Station Asteroid (99,118,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:08.243] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Arrest Leia" (Station Asteroid (101,117,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:11.881] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They stole my shit." (Station Asteroid (101,117,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:14.672] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "NOW" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:18.393] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "DID YOU HEAR HOS?" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:22.777] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "ARREST FUCKING LEIA!!" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
08:44:57 ADMIN PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) has created a command report: "Nearly thirteen thousand years of human evolution and I had the displeasure of encountering a crew with the collective IQ of a walnut.
08:45:28 ADMIN Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your paycheck is mine.
08:45:42 ADMIN @Thedragmeme[DC]/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your paycheck is mine.
08:49:10 ADMIN Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your stations a massive joke. All of you are still lucky to have jobs.
yo why the admins so aggressive mang
you guys alright?
08:42:14 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "No." (122, 74, 2) Supermatter Engine
08:42:29 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Put it in my mailbox at central." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
08:42:40 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Oh yeah, what was my title again? Command Represenative. That one." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
what the hell
why are you mixing your admin status with your character!!! why are you flaunting about it in a smug way!!! holy cringe!!!

This is fail RP from the admins. Ahelp it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:50 pm**

Fikou wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:39 pm
[2023-03-23 19:46:02.642] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I DONT GIVE A FUCK" (Medbay Lobby (125,110,3))
[2023-03-23 19:46:52.008] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "GET YOUR STUPID BEES" (Station Asteroid (107,114,3))
[2023-03-23 19:46:56.025] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "OUT OF MY DEPARTMENT" (Station Asteroid (106,114,3))
[2023-03-23 19:47:06.385] SAY: Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Kill the fucking botanist." (Station Asteroid (99,118,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:08.243] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Arrest Leia" (Station Asteroid (101,117,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:11.881] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They stole my shit." (Station Asteroid (101,117,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:14.672] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "NOW" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:18.393] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "DID YOU HEAR HOS?" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
[2023-03-23 19:47:22.777] SAY: PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "ARREST FUCKING LEIA!!" (Station Asteroid (101,116,2))
08:44:57 ADMIN PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) has created a command report: "Nearly thirteen thousand years of human evolution and I had the displeasure of encountering a crew with the collective IQ of a walnut.
08:45:28 ADMIN Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your paycheck is mine.
08:45:42 ADMIN @Thedragmeme[DC]/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your paycheck is mine.
08:49:10 ADMIN Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has created a command report: "Your stations a massive joke. All of you are still lucky to have jobs.
yo why the admins so aggressive mang
you guys alright?
08:42:14 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "No." (122, 74, 2) Supermatter Engine
08:42:29 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Put it in my mailbox at central." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
08:42:40 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Oh yeah, what was my title again? Command Represenative. That one." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
what the hell
why are you mixing your admin status with your character!!! why are you flaunting about it in a smug way!!! holy cringe!!!

theres no way to look at these logs that dont come off as just like... genuine mean insults and mockery. i played on this round and had a fun time, i thought the cc announcements were weird but the off radio stuff looks like genuine raging ooc

08:42:40 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Oh yeah, what was my title again? Command Represenative. That one." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room

this in particular is just like schoolyard level shit, uncharacteristic coming from drag

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:17 am**

Fikou wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:39 pm
08:42:14 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "No." (122, 74, 2) Supermatter Engine
08:42:29 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Put it in my mailbox at central." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
08:42:40 SAY Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Oh yeah, what was my title again? Command Represenative. That one." (124, 73, 2) Supermatter Engine Room
what the hell
why are you mixing your admin status with your character!!! why are you flaunting about it in a smug way!!! holy cringe!!!

this is legitimately pitiful to read, and I sincerely hope that drag rethinks how they handle themselves ingame.
When you're playing, act as any player - don't flaunt that you're an admin and that everyone should kow-tow to you because of it. jfc.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:05 am**

im looking forward to seeing what the headmins have to say about this

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:07 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:05 am im looking forward to seeing what the headmins have to say about this

Remember, ban appeal, not complaint.
Still hopeful thou.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:17 am**

TBH this is not a sandbox game, you are not entitled to your gimmick every round, especially not when it fucks with the round and you expect others to play along

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:33 am**

vect0r wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:07 am
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:05 am im looking forward to seeing what the headmins have to say about this
Remember, ban appeal, not complaint.
Still hopeful thou.

i've looked over this a few times to formally form the opinion that while there is nothing wrong with the note being placed- i think any admin would place a note for it, i know i certainly would- i think the note should be removed upon deep investigation.

first and foremost, botany really didn't "refuse" to remove the bees. at least, i personally think refuse is a strong word here. they were asked to remove the bees only at this point:

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07:43:28	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "+Botany.+"	(126, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:37	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "+Remove the bees from medical.+"	(126, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:38	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Quit it with the fucking bees botany."	(127, 98, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:52	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "the bees heal you stupid"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:00	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they heal you"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:05	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They hurt."	(123, 106, 3)	Medbay Central

as you can see, they gave a retort back and was told "They hurt." (they're literally healing bees? lol?) and beyond that they were told nothing else.

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07:45:19	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) grabbed Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)	(124, 100, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:22	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Ah."	(122, 97, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:27	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) attacked *no key*/(bee (Regenerative Jelly)) (NEWHP: 7)	(127, 101, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:29	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) attacked *no key*/(bee (Regenerative Jelly)) (NEWHP: 4)	(127, 101, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:32	ATTACK	*no key*/(bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(126, 95, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:34	ATTACK	*no key*/(bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(128, 98, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:35	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked *no key*/(bee (Regenerative Jelly)) with scalpel (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -6)	(128, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:37	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "DAMNIT!!"	(128, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:40	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "'BOTANY!!"	(128, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:41	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "I hate these bees so much."	(127, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:43	EMOTE	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) breathes in.	(128, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:43	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) grabbed Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)	(127, 98, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:45:47	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "BOTANY!!"	(127, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
07:45:48	EMOTE	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) points at the apiary	(128, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
07:45:48	EMOTE	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) points at the apiary	(128, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
07:45:49	EMOTE	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) points at the apiary	(128, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
07:45:49	EMOTE	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) points at the apiary	(128, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
07:45:51	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:45:52	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:45:53	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:45:54	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:45:55	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:45:56	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:45:57	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:45:58	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:45:59	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked [apiary] with the circular saw	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby

after two minutes since they told botany, they resort to destroying the apiarys outright.

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07:46:00	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:01	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) kicks Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:01	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:02	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I DONT GIVE A FUCK"	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:02	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(126, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:04	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:08	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(123, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby

now the botanist comes in, and stops drag from destroying the apiary further. however... at this point, they had already destroyed the apiary. at least that's what I understand with the queen bee being able to attack vex here:

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07:46:16	ATTACK	*no key*/(queen bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(127, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock

the defense of "they should have just moved the bees" is a flimsy one, when they had only been told once- very aggressively as an order rather than an ask- at which they responded to with a reasonable retort. no attempts at reaching a middle ground were made. they went straight to destroying the botanist's harmless- helpful, even- work.

now the logs below is just the fight logs, because im not commentating on every part of the fight but i will rather summarize the logs here so that you don't have to read them like i did:

- more shoving, Jadyn (the cmo) flashes Leia (the botanist) while also flashing themselves in the process, dropping the flash.
- Leia grabs hold of the flash and flees down to the lower tram
- Jadyn and Vex give chase, Leia goes back to the upper part of the ladder
- Leia grabs hold of the telebaton from Vex, stuns Vex and then tosses them off the catwalk down into the lower tram area (to gtfo them)
- Vex chases Leia all the way to the West side of the tram.
- Vex flashes them and then proceeds to beat them to death with the telebaton, ignores Jadyn telling them "ENOUGH"

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07:46:11	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved TransPride101/(Geico Armstrong) (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:12	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 112, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:13	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(127, 116, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:16	ATTACK	*no key*/(queen bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(127, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:16	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(126, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:17	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) flashed(targeted) Blue142/(Joey Andreev) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(126, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:18	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) flashed(targeted) Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(122, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:19	ATTACK	*no key*/(queen bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(123, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:19	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) flashed(targeted) PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(119, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:19	EMOTE	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) points at Leia Pampa	(119, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:21	ATTACK	*no key*/(queen bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(120, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:21	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(119, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:22	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Impossibruh/(Mamos Monumentas) (NEWHP: 97)	(119, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:23	ATTACK	*no key*/(queen bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(119, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:24	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(118, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:25	ATTACK	*no key*/(queen bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(117, 116, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:28	ATTACK	*no key*/(queen bee (Regenerative Jelly)) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(115, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:35	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) flashed(targeted) PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(115, 115, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:46:37	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 98.4)	(115, 115, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:46:41	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)	(114, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:42	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shaken Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(114, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:43	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) kicks Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100)	(115, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:43	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(115, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:45	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) attacked [External Access] with the telescopic baton	(114, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:46	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) stun attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(112, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:47	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) grabbed Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)	(112, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:52	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "GET YOUR STUPID BEES"	(107, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:46:52	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) stun attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(106, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:46:56	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "OUT OF MY DEPARTMENT"	(106, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:46:56	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) grabbed Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100)	(105, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:46:57	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(105, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:46:59	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) grabbed Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100)	(99, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:47:00	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) thrown Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) grab from tile in Station Asteroid (98,114,3) towards tile at Station Asteroid (99,118,3) (NEWHP: 100)	(98, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:47:00	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) has thrown Vex Petunia-Licht	(98, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:47:06	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Kill the fucking botanist."	(99, 118, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:47:08	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Arrest Leia"	(101, 117, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:47:11	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They stole my shit."	(101, 117, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:47:14	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "NOW"	(101, 116, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:47:18	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "DID YOU HEAR HOS?"	(101, 116, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:47:22	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "ARREST FUCKING LEIA!!"	(101, 116, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:47:29	ATTACK	Tatto_Moon/(Worships-The-Moon) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)	(115, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:47:31	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "They stole the CMOS baton"	(115, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:47:48	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) flashed(targeted) Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(66, 122, 3)	Port Tram Dock
07:47:51	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) flashed(targeted) Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the flash (NEWHP: 92.2)	(65, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:52	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shaken Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 91.8)	(65, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:55	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) flashed(targeted) Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the flash (NEWHP: 93.7)	(65, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:58	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 96.1)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:59	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) suffered: Joint Dislocation to left leg | Damage: 10 (rolled 21/25.1189) | WB: 15 | BWB: 5	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:59	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 88.6)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:00	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 79.9)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:02	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 71.4)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:03	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 71.4)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:09	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 75.1)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:10	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 65.1)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:11	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 55.1)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:11	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 46.3)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:12	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 36.3)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:13	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 37.8)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:14	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 27.7)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:15	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 19.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:16	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "cmo killing me"	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:16	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 9.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:17	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 0.6)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:17	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "ai-OW!"	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:18	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -9.4)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:19	WHISPER	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "himan harm"	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:19	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -19.4)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:20	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -28.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:21	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -38.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:21	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Enough."	(67, 121, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:22	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -46.7)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:22	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) is stripping Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) of the leather satchel.	(67, 121, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:23	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -56.7)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:24	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -65.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:24	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "ENOUGH."	(67, 121, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:25	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -75.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:25	EMOTE	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) gasps!	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -84.4)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) has stripped Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) of the leather satchel.	(67, 121, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) Has succumbed to death with -84.4 points of health!	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	EMOTE	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless...	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) has died (BRUTE: 184.9, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 16.2667, CLONE: 0)	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ACCESS	Mob Login: Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer		
07:48:27	GAME	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) Client Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) has taken ownership of mob Leia Pampa(/mob/dead/observer)	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:28	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "IM NOT DONE."	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:29	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has thrown the telescopic baton	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:31	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Fucking HELL."	(67, 121, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:31	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) has thrown the burnt-out flash	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:36	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) is putting the leather satchel on *no key*/(Leia Pampa)	(67, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:37	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Stupid fuck head."	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:38	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) has put the leather satchel on *no key*/(Leia Pampa).	(67, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:38	EMOTE	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) sighs.	(67, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:39	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) grabbed *no key*/(Leia Pampa) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(67, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:40	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) grabbed *no key*/(Leia Pampa) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(67, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:40	EMOTE	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) cracks his knuckles.	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:41	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) grabbed *no key*/(Leia Pampa) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(67, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:45	GAME	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) started fireman carrying Leia Pampa.	(67, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:57	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (DEAD) "thats a report"	(65, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:49:07	GAME	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) is no longer being ridden by Leia Pampa.	(125, 101, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:49:07	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) thrown *no key*/(Leia Pampa) grab from tile in Medbay Treatment Center (125,101,3) towards tile at Medbay Treatment Center (128,102,3) (NEWHP: -100)	(125, 101, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:49:07	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) has thrown Leia Pampa	(125, 101, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:49:12	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Have fun fixing them up."	(127, 98, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:49:18	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (DEAD) "i put medicine bees in medbay, shoved the cmo for chasing me with baton"	(94, 120, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:49:21	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (DEAD) "and they murdered me"	(94, 120, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:49:23	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "But note they're absolutely fucking banned from ever stepping into medical."	(127, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:49:25	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (DEAD) "full on murdered"	(94, 120, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:49:32	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I +hate+ it when people force their fucking bullshit on me"	(125, 100, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:49:36	ACCESS	Mob Login: Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human		
07:49:36	GAME	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) Client Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) has taken ownership of mob Leia Pampa(/mob/living/carbon/human)	(128, 102, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:49:36	ACCESS	Mob Login: Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer		
07:49:37	GAME	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) Client Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) has taken ownership of mob Leia Pampa(/mob/dead/observer)	(128, 102, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:49:39	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "And then act like Im the asshole for removing it."	(125, 100, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center

to me? this all seems like proper self defense by Leia. Vex exercised poor escalation by killing Leia in the first place. Two wrongs don't make a right, of course, but Nox's view of this situation is completely twisted:

At this point you are tracked down and beaten to death. Which, honestly, seems fine even without the possibility of you being a rev. Security had seemingly said that the issue wasn't a priority, and you had robbed the people involved in the fight.

Leia didn't rob them. Leia had only taken away their tools they were using to assault Leia. Leia never resorted to lethals with the exception of kicking a few times (happens all the time) and tossing Vex off the catwalk (but was very obviously using it as a way to disengage from the fight) - Vex's response to chase them down and then kill them is 100% against escalation policy when they had already gotten the telebaton and flash back.

OK, but does this excuse Leia gunning down Vex? Well they destroyed the botanist's apiary, which is damage that they had caused to the botanist. And they had "tried to murder the botanist a second time" - I've already covered that incident in my previous post. I don't want to go through it again so I will just quote it here:

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iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:56 pmHOWEVER HOWEVER HOWEVER... Their scuffle with Vex wasn't just over the bees. Vex handcuffed Leia while they were dead in medical, and then dragged them out of medical and unhandcuffed once they were revived. And then said

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07:54:32	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Stupid cunt."	(123, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock

to which Leia responded with

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07:54:39	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 85)	(123, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock

Honestly? Totally valid to welder someone for calling you a stupid cunt. Poking the bee's nest, so to speak (get it?)

The next part is what's juicy:

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07:54:49	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) suffered: Rough Abrasion to head | Damage: 15 (rolled 9/44.3127) | WB: 15 | BWB: 10	(116, 121, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:54:49	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 80.6)	(116, 120, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:54:53	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) suffered: Open Laceration to head | Damage: 15 (rolled 43/44.3127) | WB: 15 | BWB: 10	(108, 122, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:54:53	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 67.7)	(109, 122, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:54:58	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "FUCK OUTTA HERE!!"	(107, 120, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:55:01	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "CMO"	(116, 121, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:06	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "MURDERER"	(116, 121, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:13	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 85)	(116, 123, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:14	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 76.6)	(114, 123, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:14	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 85)	(115, 123, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:15	ATTACK	Fren256/(Sails-The-Stars) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 76.6)	(115, 124, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:19	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 78.8)	(117, 120, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:20	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) kicks Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 81)	(117, 120, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:20	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 81)	(117, 120, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:27	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Stay out of medical"	(118, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:28	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 85)	(119, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:29	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) into Sails-The-Stars (NEWHP: 85)	(117, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:30	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) kicks Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 85)	(117, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:30	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 85)	(117, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass

Now here's the interesting thing. All of the following logs are from BELOW the tram. Not above. I don't know how they got down there (I don't think falling is logged, so I can't say for sure if they somehow both fell down there at the same time) but you can clearly tell from the logs that Vex is the aggressor and the fight ends when Leia is able to shove Vex down and stun them. Methinks Vex chased them once again! Is the aggression justified with Leia weldering them once after they called them a stupid cunt? Maybe. Now, here's what Leia thinks about the situation:

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08:10:08	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "Vex murdered me"	(123, 124, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:10:11	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "And tried to again"	(123, 124, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:10:22	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "Vex tried multiple times and succeeded once in killing me"	(123, 124, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:10:25	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "instead of calling security"	(123, 124, 3)	Central Tram Dock

Now, what about Vex's general attitude about the situation? Well let's look at what Vex themselves thinks about their attitude:

Vex is a really mean and jaded character and he acts like it. It's really hard for me to defend myself when people are treating some bitchass twink who needs to be punted over the nearest fence as my personal mentality.

I do want to extend an apology because I did have a hand in inflating the issue more than it should have.

In my opinion, Vex was being mean, or as Vex likes to call people "a stupid cunt." They inflated the situation and created an IC enemy and they must reap what they sow. Admins should not be protecting IC assholes from IC consequences. Sorry for the long post I just think there's a lot more nuance to this situation than people think and I hope the headmins take all of this information into consideration.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:16 am**

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:17 am TBH this is not a sandbox game, you are not entitled to your gimmick every round, especially not when it fucks with the round and you expect others to play along

Literally ask. If Medical wants it, then you can do your funny healing bees. If they don't, then you go "ok" and don't.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:47 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:33 am
first and foremost, botany really didn't "refuse" to remove the bees. at least, i personally think refuse is a strong word here. they were asked to remove the bees only at this point:
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07:43:28	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "+Botany.+"	(126, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:37	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "+Remove the bees from medical.+"	(126, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:38	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Quit it with the fucking bees botany."	(127, 98, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:52	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "the bees heal you stupid"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:00	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they heal you"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:05	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They hurt."	(123, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
as you can see, they gave a retort back and was told "They hurt." (they're literally healing bees? lol?) and beyond that they were told nothing else.

From the looks of the logs, both sides basically didn't bother to talk it out at all. They just refused to consider that MAYBE they should talk it out.

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07:43:52	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "the bees heal you stupid"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:00	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they heal you"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:36	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "you are a medical doctor"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:39	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "you arent even a clown"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 am**

As far as the mean angry IC logs go: admins shouldn’t have to worry about how their fuckin IC logs reflect on them as admins, EVEN IF they were probably mad at least somewhat OOC, it doesn’t matter, they’re not operating in an admin capacity IC.

Flaunting CC status is another story, I can get it can form your character’s backstory especially on an MRP server like Manuel but it’s better to keep the two things separate. If you’re adminning your character can be the jaded Centcom commander and shit on crew, if not they should just be a worker like everyone else. It can come across as trying to flaunt your OOC admin status which makes it a good bit worse than flaunting your IC Centcom commander status.

Also can we take a moment of silence for the fact that this was all over HEALING BEES in medical. Healing bees. Think about it for a bit. If someone dies due to an allergy to a bee sting that is the best possible outcome ever of the allergy quirk.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:13 am**

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:47 am
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:33 am
first and foremost, botany really didn't "refuse" to remove the bees. at least, i personally think refuse is a strong word here. they were asked to remove the bees only at this point:
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07:43:28	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "+Botany.+"	(126, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:37	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "+Remove the bees from medical.+"	(126, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:38	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Quit it with the fucking bees botany."	(127, 98, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:52	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "the bees heal you stupid"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:00	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they heal you"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:05	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They hurt."	(123, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
as you can see, they gave a retort back and was told "They hurt." (they're literally healing bees? lol?) and beyond that they were told nothing else.
From the looks of the logs, both sides basically didn't bother to talk it out at all. They just refused to consider that MAYBE they should talk it out.
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07:43:52	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "the bees heal you stupid"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:00	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they heal you"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:36	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "you are a medical doctor"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:39	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "you arent even a clown"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby

For the record, the last two messages in those logs were in response to a clown doctor, whom steals Leia’s shoes and pulls them away from medical for a minute or two, which is why Leia comes “out of nowhere” - they had been in the Medbay Lobby for the entire time their healing bees were up. They were able to be reached at any time and had already talked to many medbay staff about it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:26 am**

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 am As far as the mean angry IC logs go: admins shouldn’t have to worry about how their fuckin IC logs reflect on them as admins, EVEN IF they were probably mad at least somewhat OOC, it doesn’t matter, they’re not operating in an admin capacity IC.

I was strictly speaking in a manner of the note/ban appeal affair. Them flaunting their CC status is a completely separate issue than being an IC asshole. I don’t think we should completely sanitize the game where you can’t be an IC asshole but if you are going to intentionally play a “mean and jaded character” “that deserves to be punted over the nearest fence” then you should be willing to live with the IC consequences of it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:54 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:26 am
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 am As far as the mean angry IC logs go: admins shouldn’t have to worry about how their fuckin IC logs reflect on them as admins, EVEN IF they were probably mad at least somewhat OOC, it doesn’t matter, they’re not operating in an admin capacity IC.
I was strictly speaking in a manner of the note/ban appeal affair. Them flaunting their CC status is a completely separate issue than being an IC asshole. I don’t think we should completely sanitize the game where you can’t be an IC asshole but if you are going to intentionally play a “mean and jaded character” “that deserves to be punted over the nearest fence” then you should be willing to live with the IC consequences of it.

This wasn’t directed at anyone in particular, it’s just easy to read some very disagreeable and sharp IC logs and think subconsciously “an admin is saying that?” then form a guttural reaction lynch mob you know, when in reality IC tone is completely irrelevant to actual issues about conduct.

In other words, saying “heya, yeah I work as a centcom commander in my spare time” should be just as much a breach in conduct as “yeah look at the badge fucko,” since the only difference is in tone but both commit the same faux pas in referencing OOC status IC. But the water is muddied since a Centcom commander is an IC role only held by those with an OOC role.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:09 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:13 am For the record, the last two messages in those logs were in response to a clown doctor, whom steals Leia’s shoes and pulls them away from medical for a minute or two, which is why Leia comes “out of nowhere” - they had been in the Medbay Lobby for the entire time their healing bees were up. They were able to be reached at any time and had already talked to many medbay staff about it.

Yeah, the logs I posted showed they only gave out this answer and didn't bother to respond to the CMO saying that "they hurt".
The non-response, coupled with Leia not doing anything, could be interpreted as "the botanist is not going to bother or even explain, so we're removing them ourselves".

That being said, honestly this would sound like normal escalation matters if it weren't for Leia lethaling Vex after both of them shittalking each other, a while after the second conflict that didn't result in death

Per Escalation Policy:

As a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Whomever you engage is entitled to respond to your actions. If the conflict leads to violence and you had a poor reason for causing conflict in the first place, you may face administrative action.

If you are wronged, you are expected to handle the conflict non-lethally whenever possible, escalating in severity as the conflict continues. As the defending party the rate of escalation increases with you, up to and including violence, while the instigator is always able to respond in kind.

If a conflict leads to violence and either participant is incapacitated, the standing participant is expected to make an effort to treat the other, unless they have reason to believe the other was an antagonist. Once treated the conflict is over; any new conflict with either individual must escalate once again. If you get into a conflict again with that individual, they may be removed permanently from the round.

Conflict is automatically suspended when one participant is dead or incapacitated. A player who uses the state of incapacitation to take further action against the downed party chooses to extend the ongoing conflict past its original endpoint, and opens themselves up to further reprisal to avenge damage or recover stolen possessions.

From attack logs of the three different conflicts:

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07:46:00	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:01	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) kicks Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:01	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:02	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(126, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:04	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 111, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:08	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(123, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:12	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(125, 112, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:46:13	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(127, 116, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:16	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(126, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:18	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) flashed(targeted) Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(122, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:21	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(119, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:24	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(118, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:35	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) flashed(targeted) PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(115, 115, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:46:37	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 98.4)	(115, 115, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:46:41	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)	(114, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:42	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shaken Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(114, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:43	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) kicks Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100)	(115, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:43	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 100)	(115, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:45	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) attacked [External Access] with the telescopic baton	(114, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:46	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) stun attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(112, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:47	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) grabbed Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)	(112, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:46:52	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) stun attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(106, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:46:56	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) grabbed Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100)	(105, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:46:57	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 100)	(105, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:46:59	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) grabbed Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100)	(99, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:47:00	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) thrown Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) grab from tile in Station Asteroid (98,114,3) towards tile at Station Asteroid (99,118,3) (NEWHP: 100)	(98, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:47:00	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) has thrown Vex Petunia-Licht	(98, 114, 3)	Station Asteroid
07:47:48	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) flashed(targeted) Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(66, 122, 3)	Port Tram Dock
07:47:51	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) flashed(targeted) Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the flash (NEWHP: 92.2)	(65, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:52	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shaken Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 91.8)	(65, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:55	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) flashed(targeted) Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the flash (NEWHP: 93.7)	(65, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:58	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 96.1)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:59	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) suffered: Joint Dislocation to left leg | Damage: 10 (rolled 21/25.1189) | WB: 15 | BWB: 5	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:47:59	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 88.6)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:00	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 79.9)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:02	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 71.4)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:03	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 71.4)	(66, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:09	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 75.1)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:10	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 65.1)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:11	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 55.1)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:11	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 46.3)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:12	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 36.3)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:13	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 37.8)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:14	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 27.7)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:15	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 19.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:16	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 9.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:17	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 0.6)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:18	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -9.4)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:19	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -19.4)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:20	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -28.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:21	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -38.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:22	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -46.7)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:22	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) is stripping Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) of the leather satchel.	(67, 121, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:23	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -56.7)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:24	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -65.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:25	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -75.2)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with telescopic baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -84.4)	(67, 119, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ATTACK	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) has stripped Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) of the leather satchel.	(67, 121, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) Has succumbed to death with -84.4 points of health!	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass
07:48:26	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) has died (BRUTE: 184.9, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 16.2667, CLONE: 0)	(66, 120, 2)	Port Tram Underpass

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07:54:39	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) attacked Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 85)	(123, 115, 3)	Central Tram Dock
07:54:49	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) suffered: Rough Abrasion to head | Damage: 15 (rolled 9/44.3127) | WB: 15 | BWB: 10	(116, 121, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:54:49	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 80.6)	(116, 120, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:54:53	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) suffered: Open Laceration to head | Damage: 15 (rolled 43/44.3127) | WB: 15 | BWB: 10	(108, 122, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:54:53	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 67.7)	(109, 122, 2)	Station Asteroid
07:55:13	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 85)	(116, 123, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:14	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 76.6)	(114, 123, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:14	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 85)	(115, 123, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:15	ATTACK	Fren256/(Sails-The-Stars) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 76.6)	(115, 124, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:19	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 78.8)	(117, 120, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:20	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) kicks Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 81)	(117, 120, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:20	ATTACK	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) shoved Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) (NEWHP: 81)	(117, 120, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:28	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 85)	(119, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:29	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) into Sails-The-Stars (NEWHP: 85)	(117, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:30	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) kicks Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 85)	(117, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass
07:55:30	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shoved Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) (NEWHP: 85)	(117, 118, 2)	Central Tram Underpass

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08:26:21	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: 32.6)	(75, 118, 3)	Port Tram Dock
08:26:21	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser from Port Tram Dock (NEWHP: 12.6)	(77, 118, 3)	Port Tram Dock
08:26:22	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: 12.6)	(79, 118, 3)	Port Tram Dock
08:26:22	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser from Port Tram Dock (NEWHP: -7.4)	(80, 118, 3)	Port Tram Dock
08:26:22	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: -7.4)	(81, 118, 3)	Port Tram Dock
08:26:22	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser from Port Tram Dock (NEWHP: -29.4)	(82, 118, 3)	Port Tram Dock
08:26:23	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: -29.4)	(84, 118, 3)	Station Asteroid
08:26:25	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) slipped on the [motor oil] (SLIDING)	(95, 119, 3)	Port Tram Dock
08:26:29	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at [�tram information plate] with the laser from Central Tram Dock	(119, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:29	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser from Central Tram Dock (NEWHP: -52.3)	(120, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:30	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: -52.3)	(120, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:30	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser from Central Tram Dock (NEWHP: -78.3)	(123, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:30	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: -78.3)	(123, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:31	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser from Central Tram Dock (NEWHP: -104.3)	(126, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:31	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: -104.3)	(126, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:31	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser from Central Tram Dock (NEWHP: -130.3)	(126, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:31	ATTACK	DevinXoptoh/(Chip Shafer) stun attacked Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)	(126, 118, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:31	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: -130.3)	(126, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:32	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) fired at Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser from Central Tram Dock (NEWHP: -145.3)	(126, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:26:32	ATTACK	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) shot Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) with the laser (NEWHP: -145.3)	(126, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock

The conversation leading up to the third "fight"

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08:15:29	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "Vex murdered me"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:15:33	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "and medbay had to revive me"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:15:36	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Yeah, because you stole my shit"	(140, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:15:40	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "AND the cmos shit"	(140, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:15:48	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Fuck off, botanist"	(140, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:15:49	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "THEN"	(140, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:15:54	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "You attacked me with a fucking welder"	(140, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:15:57	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "Arrest them for capital offense"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:16:00	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Im not paying a fine."	(140, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:16:08	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "Vex"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:16:12	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "And medbay revived me"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:16:15	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Leia nobody cares, shut the fuck up."	(140, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:16:23	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Hos."	(139, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:16:33	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "The det open fired on the entirety of medbay"	(137, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:16:39	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "Don't trust Vex"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:16:44	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Leia shut up."	(137, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:16:46	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "They are a murderer"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:17:00	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "You refused to remove your bees, then attacked us when we did it ourselves"	(137, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:17:06	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "she killed me"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:17:10	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Im a MAN"	(137, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:17:14	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "Whatever"	(134, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
08:17:24	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I want a lawyer"	(137, 109, 3)	Security Post - Medbay
08:17:45	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Derrik, they is stupid."	(124, 114, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:18:00	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "The det and hos are being shit for brains."	(124, 120, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:18:19	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Can you get rid of the nosey dumbass botanist."	(80, 146, 3)	Brig
08:18:26	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I want a lawyer."	(82, 151, 3)	Brig
08:18:47	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "brig is broken into"	(64, 145, 3)	Brig
08:18:48	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I have a right to a lawyer."	(71, 154, 3)	Brig
08:19:05	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Just put me down."	(64, 158, 3)	Brig
08:19:11	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "AND GET RID OF THAT BOTANIST."	(57, 157, 3)	Brig
08:19:21	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I am-"	(57, 157, 3)	Brig
08:19:27	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Removing these, to tend to my wounds."	(57, 157, 3)	Brig
08:19:35	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Thank you."	(57, 157, 3)	Brig
08:19:52	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "The det open fired on civilians, of course we mobbed his ass."	(57, 157, 3)	Brig
08:20:15	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Im not running, but get rid of that botanist."	(57, 157, 3)	Brig
08:20:39	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they need justice"	(65, 143, 3)	Command Hallway
08:20:52	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "dude they are breaking into armory"	(66, 155, 3)	Brig
08:21:49	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "The detective came into medbay and open fired oncivilians."	(59, 157, 3)	Brig
08:21:55	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "that guy just broke into armory"	(72, 124, 3)	Port Tram Dock
08:22:03	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "We protected roby and took his gun from him."	(59, 157, 3)	Brig
08:22:21	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "Then all of sec comes in and detains us, because I guess the detective bitched and moaned."	(59, 157, 3)	Brig
08:22:30	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "PERFECT."	(59, 157, 3)	Brig
08:22:41	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "And thats pretty much what happened."	(59, 157, 3)	Brig
08:22:45	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "I want a lawyer."	(58, 157, 3)	Brig
08:23:00	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "Keep vex in fucking perma"	(127, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:23:03	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they are a murderer"	(127, 119, 3)	Central Tram Dock
08:23:44	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "it's the training sec bomb"	(127, 129, 3)	Bar Lounge

A good three minutes passed before Leia suddenly blasted Vex to death silently.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:32 am**

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:09 am
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:13 am For the record, the last two messages in those logs were in response to a clown doctor, whom steals Leia’s shoes and pulls them away from medical for a minute or two, which is why Leia comes “out of nowhere” - they had been in the Medbay Lobby for the entire time their healing bees were up. They were able to be reached at any time and had already talked to many medbay staff about it.
Yeah, the logs I posted showed they only gave out this answer and didn't bother to respond to the CMO saying that "they hurt".
The non-response, coupled with Leia not doing anything, could be interpreted as "the botanist is not going to bother or even explain, so we're removing them ourselves".

What the hell do you even respond to with “They hurt.” like no? That’s factually incorrect? They literally heal you? Like I said, Leia was on call in medbay lobby for the entire time the bees had been in the lobby, barring the two minutes they had to take to get their shoes back.

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:09 am That being said, honestly this would sound like normal escalation matters if it weren't for Leia lethaling Vex after both of them shittalking each other, a while after the second conflict that didn't result in death

Shit talking each other? Could we get a source on that? The only shit talk Leia ever does is when Leia said “the bees heal you stupid”

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:09 am Per Escalation Policy:

Spoiler:
As a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Whomever you engage is entitled to respond to your actions. If the conflict leads to violence and you had a poor reason for causing conflict in the first place, you may face administrative action.

If you are wronged, you are expected to handle the conflict non-lethally whenever possible, escalating in severity as the conflict continues. As the defending party the rate of escalation increases with you, up to and including violence, while the instigator is always able to respond in kind.

If a conflict leads to violence and either participant is incapacitated, the standing participant is expected to make an effort to treat the other, unless they have reason to believe the other was an antagonist. Once treated the conflict is over; any new conflict with either individual must escalate once again. If you get into a conflict again with that individual, they may be removed permanently from the round.

Conflict is automatically suspended when one participant is dead or incapacitated. A player who uses the state of incapacitation to take further action against the downed party chooses to extend the ongoing conflict past its original endpoint, and opens themselves up to further reprisal to avenge damage or recover stolen possessions.

Thankyou, Archie. Now watch as I move my green Crayola crayon and highlight an important part of this big block of text and then explain nothing

Spoiler:

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:54 pm**

Admins that care about the time that’s passed after the last attack log when it comes to escalation really lack basic commonsense.

Oh that guy just cut off your head? Just sliced you to a pulp with a fireaxe? Sorry gamer it’s been 20 minutes just get over it, the conflict has ended let us go forth in peace. How about no, how about if someone axed you to DEATH you wouldn’t just magically mysteriously forget about that once revived. No hard feelings buddy ! The conflict ended

The conflict ends when the invisible scales of justice have been tipped to become equal on both sides, it could take 60 minutes but as long as the scale is imbalanced you have perfectly rational motive to retaliate. Not sure if this applies at all to this ban just wanted to soapbox sorry.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:58 pm**

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 am As far as the mean angry IC logs go: admins shouldn’t have to worry about how their fuckin IC logs reflect on them as admins, EVEN IF they were probably mad at least somewhat OOC, it doesn’t matter, they’re not operating in an admin capacity IC.

oh no i dont mean this in an "admin is saying this" i just dont see many people get this serious ova ss13

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:04 pm**

Fikou wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:58 pm
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 am As far as the mean angry IC logs go: admins shouldn’t have to worry about how their fuckin IC logs reflect on them as admins, EVEN IF they were probably mad at least somewhat OOC, it doesn’t matter, they’re not operating in an admin capacity IC.
oh no i dont mean this in an "admin is saying this" i just dont see many people get this serious ova ss13

That’s what fuels the immersion Fikou, for without an emotionally driven absorption into one’s character and their conflicts and hardships, we devolve into sussy gamer RP going like spin flip clap fr fr real yooo you see that new PR stunprods are dope now hell yeah brb gonna grab some spacecoffee for my spacebrain. on ultrakill-sector rn on my pda

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:08 pm**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:32 am
What the hell do you even respond to with “They hurt.” like no? That’s factually incorrect? They literally heal you? Like I said, Leia was on call in medbay lobby for the entire time the bees had been in the lobby, barring the two minutes they had to take to get their shoes back.

Fair enough.

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:32 am
Shit talking each other? Could we get a source on that? The only shit talk Leia ever does is when Leia said “the bees heal you stupid”

The entire argument they had in brig? Though, really it was more two people arguing over whose fault it was.

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:32 am
Thankyou, Archie. Now watch as I move my green Crayola crayon and highlight an important part of this big block of text and then explain nothing

Spoiler:

As a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Whomever you engage is entitled to respond to your actions. If the conflict leads to violence and you had a poor reason for causing conflict in the first place, you may face administrative action.

If you are wronged, you are expected to handle the conflict non-lethally whenever possible, escalating in severity as the conflict continues. As the defending party the rate of escalation increases with you, up to and including violence, while the instigator is always able to respond in kind.

If a conflict leads to violence and either participant is incapacitated, the standing participant is expected to make an effort to treat the other, unless they have reason to believe the other was an antagonist. Once treated the conflict is over; any new conflict with either individual must escalate once again. If you get into a conflict again with that individual, they may be removed permanently from the round.

Conflict is automatically suspended when one participant is dead or incapacitated. A player who uses the state of incapacitation to take further action against the downed party chooses to extend the ongoing conflict past its original endpoint, and opens themselves up to further reprisal to avenge damage or recover stolen possessions.

Fair, Vex did almost kill Leia after critting her and it opened himself up to retaliation after death, though it's really up to the headmins to consider whether the conflict was de-escalated peacefully after the second fight (where both fought in underpass without either being sent to crit) or still ongoing.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:17 pm**

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:54 pm Admins that care about the time that’s passed after the last attack log when it comes to escalation really lack basic commonsense.

Oh that guy just cut off your head? Just sliced you to a pulp with a fireaxe? Sorry gamer it’s been 20 minutes just get over it, the conflict has ended let us go forth in peace. How about no, how about if someone axed you to DEATH you wouldn’t just magically mysteriously forget about that once revived. No hard feelings buddy ! The conflict ended

The conflict ends when the invisible scales of justice have been tipped to become equal on both sides, it could take 60 minutes but as long as the scale is imbalanced you have perfectly rational motive to retaliate. Not sure if this applies at all to this ban just wanted to soapbox sorry.

The conflict never ends until the guy killed me is dead in my hands

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:44 pm**

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:04 pm
Fikou wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:58 pm
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 am As far as the mean angry IC logs go: admins shouldn’t have to worry about how their fuckin IC logs reflect on them as admins, EVEN IF they were probably mad at least somewhat OOC, it doesn’t matter, they’re not operating in an admin capacity IC.
oh no i dont mean this in an "admin is saying this" i just dont see many people get this serious ova ss13
That’s what fuels the immersion Fikou, for without an emotionally driven absorption into one’s character and their conflicts and hardships, we devolve into sussy gamer RP going like spin flip clap fr fr real yooo you see that new PR stunprods are dope now hell yeah brb gonna grab some spacecoffee for my spacebrain. on ultrakill-sector rn on my pda

sure brothar make sense. now lets go maxcap the nukies.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:25 pm**

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:17 am TBH this is not a sandbox game, you are not entitled to your gimmick every round, especially not when it fucks with the round and you expect others to play along

I consider it one, but it comes with a massive asterisk. SS13 is essentially a collective sandbox, with all the benefits and drawbacks.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:56 pm**

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:47 am
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:33 am
first and foremost, botany really didn't "refuse" to remove the bees. at least, i personally think refuse is a strong word here. they were asked to remove the bees only at this point:
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07:43:28	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "+Botany.+"	(126, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:37	SAY	Thedragmeme/(Vex Petunia-Licht) "+Remove the bees from medical.+"	(126, 99, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:38	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "Quit it with the fucking bees botany."	(127, 98, 3)	Medbay Treatment Center
07:43:52	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "the bees heal you stupid"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:00	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they heal you"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:05	SAY	PositiveEntropy/(Jadyn Roby) "They hurt."	(123, 106, 3)	Medbay Central
as you can see, they gave a retort back and was told "They hurt." (they're literally healing bees? lol?) and beyond that they were told nothing else.
From the looks of the logs, both sides basically didn't bother to talk it out at all. They just refused to consider that MAYBE they should talk it out.
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07:43:52	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "the bees heal you stupid"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:00	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "they heal you"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:36	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "you are a medical doctor"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby
07:44:39	SAY	Alonewithus/(Leia Pampa) "you arent even a clown"	(122, 110, 3)	Medbay Lobby

Space station 13 the roleplaying game where both sides fail to communicate

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:08 pm**

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:25 pm**

Shouldn't have been an administration thing. Let the beef flow IC.

Posted: **Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:46 pm**

guess we’re not getting a headmin response

Posted: **Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:15 pm**

when you play an asshole character and then ahelp (or do something as lame) when the consequences of being an asshole catch up, youre a fraud character ngl and you shouldnt rp as an asshole since at that point youre letting it get to you OOC

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:39 pm**

Alonewithus got perma banned lol

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:07 pm**

good, deserved

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:15 pm**

Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:39 pm Alonewithus got perma banned lol

They got permanent ban for appealing a note???

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:23 pm**

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:15 pm
Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:39 pm Alonewithus got perma banned lol
They got permanent ban for appealing a note???

Nope, this happened yesterday:

Vekter wrote:Rule 1 - Consistently poor level of play and interactions with other players. Accumulating 7 notes over 14 days and showing absolutely no signs of improvement, culminating in going back to logs of previou srounds to see if someone was talking shit about them, then going to BYOND pager and harassing them over it. You really don't seem to be here in good faith.

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:24 pm**

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:15 pm
Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:39 pm Alonewithus got perma banned lol
They got permanent ban for appealing a note???

No, they got permabanned because they were a consistent shitter and also for telling people to kill themselves over BYOND pager

EDIT: FUCK

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:33 pm**

Truly a anime arc if ever there was one

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 6:14 pm**

Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:39 pm Alonewithus got perma banned lol

lol

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:02 pm**

Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:23 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:15 pm
Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:39 pm Alonewithus got perma banned lol
They got permanent ban for appealing a note???
Nope, this happened yesterday:

Vekter wrote:Rule 1 - Consistently poor level of play and interactions with other players. Accumulating 7 notes over 14 days and showing absolutely no signs of improvement, culminating in going back to logs of previou srounds to see if someone was talking shit about them, then going to BYOND pager and harassing them over it. You really don't seem to be here in good faith.

wow! rude

Posted: **Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:36 pm**

We need more rule 1 enforcement

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