Terry, the N-word, and a fallen server.
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viewtopic.php?t=33799&view=unread#unreadi've never posted in the hut. i have like three posts in admin subforums. i guess it just doesn't count player club posts? lots of peanuts were moved over to the player's club.
A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:17 pmHow does a word compare to a punch?TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm Does the intent matter? They forced others to spam the n-word, if I punch you no matter the intent you get punched/hurt
Forcing other people to say things, especially things that make them look bad, is not a helpful action, but it could be a harmless prank... just as it could actually get them in trouble, in which case it could be griefing.
The player club probably doesn't count posts made, which is both fair and also an absolutely hilarious realizationiwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:24 pmi've never posted in the hut. i have like three posts in admin subforums. i guess it just doesn't count player club posts? lots of peanuts were moved over to the player's club.
if you click on my profile and click "search user's posts" it gives you "Search found 927 matches" (now 928)
its really cool that the n word does not have any effect on you, ekaterina. You are a very tough individual and your thick skin is admirable! Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted. You say it yourself right hereekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:04 pmWhy do you say this like he's some sort of war criminal? It's a word, not a magic spell - it only hurts you if you let it. It's no worse than any other spam.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:57 pm He was spamming the n word. I would even go as far as to say an admin wouldve been in the right to just rule 0 this guy and tell him to make an appeal when he's done being immature
This guy not only decided to spam the chat, which kinda ruins the text-based part of the text based roleplaying game, he also used the n word for shock value or something similar (which you cannot even pretend was done in anything other than terrible faith since its a public server). Its immature and I dont see how it isnt a fair reason for an admin to permaban.
arm you just got owned by iwishforducksiwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:36 pmwell posting here isn't gonna help you. better start an off topic counting thread where you can double post as much as you want
Neither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 pm A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.
Trouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:57 pm Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...
didn't realize i joined the round as a WOKE technician on SAFE SPACE 13Sightld2 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:32 pmTrouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:57 pm Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...
whats next... NEW ENGINE: THE PRONOUNMATTER??? SNOWFLAKEstation 13!!!Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:48 pmdidn't realize i joined the round as a WOKE technician on SAFE SPACE 13Sightld2 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:32 pmTrouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:57 pm Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...
Shit takeSightld2 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:32 pmTrouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:57 pm Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...
shit takeTheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:36 pm its really cool that the n word does not have any effect on you, ekaterina. You are a very tough individual and your thick skin is admirable! Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted. You say it yourself right here
just rolled progressivetraitorkinnebian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:49 pmwhats next... NEW ENGINE: THE PRONOUNMATTER??? SNOWFLAKEstation 13!!!Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:48 pmdidn't realize i joined the round as a WOKE technician on SAFE SPACE 13Sightld2 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:32 pmTrouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:57 pm Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...
40 bounty added to whiterunMMMiracles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:06 pm im glad our ruleset is vague enough that people like ekaterina can feel confident in sharing the world's worst takes so they can be ignored without first having to put any effort into indulging their points.
"By order of the Jarl, stop right there!"Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:07 pm40 bounty added to whiterunMMMiracles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:06 pm im glad our ruleset is vague enough that people like ekaterina can feel confident in sharing the world's worst takes so they can be ignored without first having to put any effort into indulging their points.
I too am glad that we live in this timeline, and not some alternate 1984-esque one.MMMiracles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:06 pm im glad our ruleset is vague enough that people like ekaterina can feel confident in sharing the world's worst takes so they can be ignored without first having to put any effort into indulging their points.
i come into this thread, get owned by MSO, and then realize that my go to owned gif was used
if you take another L, you're gonna have to add it to your name. that's just too many Ls to not be represented.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:19 pm i come into this thread, get owned by MSO, and then realize that my go to owned gif was used
when will it end
Mm... Here's the issue right. Let me come at it from a logical point of view instead of calling you a racist (crazy).ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:27 pmNeither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 pm A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.
This argument is built on false premises.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:35 pmMm... Here's the issue right. Let me come at it from a logical point of view instead of calling you a racist (crazy).ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:27 pmNeither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 pm A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.
We can agree the N-word is a very offensive slur to an entire race of people, because the word refers to THEM (people) in a demeaning (less-than-people) manner, over something they cannot control (their race).
This is why the word was created, and what the word means. There is therefore an intentionality in the word itself, in its very essence and existence, which is separate and aside from how the word is actually used in a conversation.
This intentionality makes the word itself harmful to the same people who, you would agree, would be caused harm by having this directed at them in a pointed manner.
And so if we can agree to those premises, we can agree something like this, which spams the gamerword in such a rapid, public fashion, exposes this harmful intentionality to the wider audience of players, some of whom would be offended or put into a negative headspace due to it. Now you might here argue, "but Sinful, it's not being said with intention, so surely they could see that and become unaffected and immune to it?" and to that I would say, perhaps some have, and some have not, but no one should be forced nor expected into developing this sort of immunity especially in a spaceman videogame which is supposed to be about having fun.
This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:35 pmMm... Here's the issue right. Let me come at it from a logical point of view instead of calling you a racist (crazy).ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:27 pmNeither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 pm A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.
We can agree the N-word is a very offensive slur to an entire race of people, because the word refers to THEM (people) in a demeaning (less-than-people) manner, over something they cannot control (their race).
This is why the word was created, and what the word means. There is therefore an intentionality in the word itself, in its very essence and existence, which is separate and aside from how the word is actually used in a conversation.
This intentionality makes the word itself harmful to the same people who, you would agree, would be caused harm by having this directed at them in a pointed manner.
And so if we can agree to those premises, we can agree something like this, which spams the gamerword in such a rapid, public fashion, exposes this harmful intentionality to the wider audience of players, some of whom would be offended or put into a negative headspace due to it. Now you might here argue, "but Sinful, it's not being said with intention, so surely they could see that and become unaffected and immune to it?" and to that I would say, perhaps some have, and some have not, but no one should be forced nor expected into developing this sort of immunity especially in a spaceman videogame which is supposed to be about having fun.
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Well said. Also if you have user id 2 who has user id 1?MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:46 pm Also the argument sucks because holding internet and public human expression to the lowest common denominator is silly and stupid.
Wow, I can't believe a word that was used by white enslavers against black slaves to dehumanize them has had such an effect that people react negatively when a white person says it. What a shocker!MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:46 pm This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.
So right! People that were never slaves totally have the right to be mad at people who never owned slaves because they have the same skin colour as people who did!Fren256 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:58 pmWow, I can't believe a word that was used by white enslavers against black slaves to dehumanize them has had such an effect that people react negatively when a white person says it. What a shocker!MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:46 pm This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)Fren256 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:58 pmWow, I can't believe a word that was used by white enslavers against black slaves to dehumanize them has had such an effect that people react negatively when a white person says it. What a shocker!MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:46 pm This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.
I would suggest there's another reason for this. There is an aspect of self-deprecation and commiseration when you yourself also apply to the slur you're using, which makes it very difficult to argue it's being used in a demeaning manner. For instance, say I'm very overweight, and I'm hanging out with my overweight friend. Suppose I call him a fat fuck. This would be much different than if I were ripped with 6 pack abs and called him a fat fuck. The reason is because in the former case, if I did mean it in a demeaning manner, I would also be demeaning myself, which means at the very least I consider us equals in our fat-fuckedness.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:46 pmThis argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:35 pmMm... Here's the issue right. Let me come at it from a logical point of view instead of calling you a racist (crazy).ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:27 pmNeither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 pm A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.
We can agree the N-word is a very offensive slur to an entire race of people, because the word refers to THEM (people) in a demeaning (less-than-people) manner, over something they cannot control (their race).
This is why the word was created, and what the word means. There is therefore an intentionality in the word itself, in its very essence and existence, which is separate and aside from how the word is actually used in a conversation.
This intentionality makes the word itself harmful to the same people who, you would agree, would be caused harm by having this directed at them in a pointed manner.
And so if we can agree to those premises, we can agree something like this, which spams the gamerword in such a rapid, public fashion, exposes this harmful intentionality to the wider audience of players, some of whom would be offended or put into a negative headspace due to it. Now you might here argue, "but Sinful, it's not being said with intention, so surely they could see that and become unaffected and immune to it?" and to that I would say, perhaps some have, and some have not, but no one should be forced nor expected into developing this sort of immunity especially in a spaceman videogame which is supposed to be about having fun.
Which means it can't be an actual real emotional offended reaction.
We are speaking English, so the word's existence in French has no bearing on its creation or existence in English.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:45 pm This argument is built on false premises.
First, that the word nigger was created to demean black people. This is false. It comes from the Latin word for black, through French. It was created as a simple matter-of-fact description, much like the English "black" is still used now. The whole argument was predicated on this assertion which I've shown to be false and thus it falls apart, but nonetheless I will address the remaining points.
Second, that, if it had been created for that purpose, it would make it inherent to the word. A thing can be created for one purpose and used for another. Viagra was intended as a medication for heart conditions, yet it is used as a treatment for impotence. The meaning of words may change over time, as the point above exemplifies.
Third, that it is somehow our problem when other people are unreasonably offended. I don't see spiders being removed to accommodate arachnophobia sufferers, or clowns being removed to accommodate players with a fear of clowns. Being offended by random, floating, slurs not directed at you or even a specific person is not reasonable.
citation and source needed.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:46 pm This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.
have you conducted a test where you said the n word and then asked the people around you how they felt about it? under what circumstances was this test done? if you conduct this test with a room full of white people versus half and half white and black versus all back versus latino/hispanic versus etc then what are the different responses? what happens when the results are anonymous? would people change their answers if they were given a graph showing the % of races were offended? etc etc you kinda get my point about this being a deeper social issue than you're trying to chalk it up to beMrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:46 pmWhich means it can't be an actual real emotional offended reaction. its just a means of bullying people for not following some social rules.
Also the argument sucks because holding internet and public human expression to the lowest common denominator is silly and stupid.
but this isn't about calling somebody the nwordsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:12 pm
For the same reason, if a white person calls a black person a "nigger," this has a very different connotation than if a black person calls a black person a "nigger,"
What is wrong with blackjack??Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:40 pmlol gaddeem!Bucovineanu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:01 pm Anything else we should know: For a rather long period of time I have contributed to, played on and adminned for a server explicitly built to rival tg. At this moment, the server (Merchant) is largely dead.
>burn down bridge to make server with blackjack and slurs
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Understandable since the paperskinned lot that lied their way into getting a word filter put in are unable to even have that conversation without melting.
You probably don't know, but it's a futurama meme that became helpful terminology for people creating their own versions of things they're kicked out from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94qrgxH35MBONERMASTER wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:14 pm Listen, you guys can go completely nuts in just a minute, but there is something I wanted to have clarified before you bash eachother's heads in:
What is wrong with blackjack??Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:40 pmlol gaddeem!Bucovineanu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:01 pm Anything else we should know: For a rather long period of time I have contributed to, played on and adminned for a server explicitly built to rival tg. At this moment, the server (Merchant) is largely dead.
>burn down bridge to make server with blackjack and slurs
WIth puzzled regards
-BONERMASTER