Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:37 am
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Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:47 pm
I find it hilarious that you call me unhinged when you pull this shit about me right out of your ass.
Lacran: "noooo you can't expose our subconscious bias against black people nooooo you're racist"
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:52 pm
They were pakistani and korean so i dont know why you wouldn't be able to understand unless maybe you were a retardoekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:34 pmIs this really what you think of black people? You view them as mindless gorillas, using violence to solve everything? Are you subconsciously racist? Have you ever talked to a black person? They're human too, you know... they can think, speak, control themselves, and use words... You sound like those """anti-racists""" who think so little of black people they think they can't get photo IDs...
Maybe having an irrational visceral emotional reaction to a mere word is something I'm too unamerican to understand.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:33 pm I've called people slurs irl and they beat me up for it so youre wrong
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Closest I've ever seen ekat to the correct take. Then he goes and does that.ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:43 amFuck off, genetrash sympathiser. Catgirl-looking laser chaser.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:42 amFuck off racistekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:41 am Round removing someone over words... 100% invalid escalation, I don't even know what else to say.
It begins normal escalation, it doesn't allow you to instantly round remove someone.As per MSO's ruling. A player expressing speciesism is valid for (initially non-lethal) escalation. It is perfectly IC to want to beat up some speciesist asshole. However, if you use speciesism to initiate conflict you can still be punished at an administrative level for winning those fights under the guise of self-defence. Admins should enforce this with the goal of preventing players from being speciesist so that they can "valid" those who respond to it with violence.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:58 pm
Saying a person is likely to hurt you if you randomly approach them and call them an extremely taboo racial slur. Is just describing the most likely outcome.
Vekter chose nigger, because that's where we derive ligger from.
You then using that as an opportunity to claim vekter thinks black people are "mindless gorillas" is projection.
The way you think isn't normal, the fact you thought you were being clever is fucking retarded.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:59 pm
As always, you're wrong.
I dragged them to medbay after beating the living shit out of their racist ass, but they DNR'd a bit later when arriving to the lobby. At least that's what one of the lizard doctors said, I didn't check myself.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:03 pm
I guess we can check the "liberals are the real racists!" box for arguments used in this thread.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:04 pm
Do you actually think a person who was socialised growing up's first reaction to being called a slur is assault and battery, a felony?
You think you turn a well-adjusted human being into a felon just by saying a word, like this is some Harry Potter mind control spell?
No, it's not, it's an apt description of how you and Vekter think black people (maybe all people, judging by your recent reply?) behave.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:11 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:04 pmDo you actually think a person who was socialised growing up's first reaction to being called a slur is assault and battery, a felony?
You think you turn a well-adjusted human being into a felon just by saying a word, like this is some Harry Potter mind control spell?
No, it's not, it's an apt description of how you and Vekter think black people (maybe all people(?) judging by your recent reply) behave.
If you came up to me randomly on the street, and started calling me words my culture finds extremely offensive. I am going to beat the shit out of you.
This isn't because I'm irrational or incapable of self-expression. It's because the person I'm dealing with has made it clear they don't care about me and what I have to say. Their goal is to upset me.
The best way to stop them from trying to hurt me or others is to show them how quickly it can result in them getting hurt. A lesson you've clearly yet to learn.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:14 pm
That type of gorilla response is a nice way to ensure you end up being carried away in cuffs and spend a decade without seeing your family or friends, surrounded by people as violent as you.Lacran wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:11 pm If you came up to me randomly on the street, and started calling me words my culture finds extremely offensive. I am going to beat the shit out of you.
This isn't because I'm irrational or incapable of self-expression. It's because the person I'm dealing with has made it clear they don't care about me and what I have to say. Their goal is to upset me.
The best way to stop them from trying to hurt me or others is to show them how quickly it can result in them getting hurt. A lesson you've clearly yet to learn.
Civilised people, of all races, are, you see, able to control their violent impulses.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:15 pm
STARSECTOR UPDATE BLOG POST
Narrative in 0.96 aka Movie Night With David
Posted June 02, 2023 by dgbaumgart in Lore
I’d like to take a moment to talk about the development of narratives in the last update, and maybe in the game in general. I should note: this is a process post, not a lore-dump. So this is about how I went about coming up with these ideas and implementing them, not what Baikal Daud’s favorite flavor of ice cream is. More on anti-lore later. But yeah, I’m dying to talk about all of this but I have to play it fairly close to my chest to avoid spoiling what we’ve got in mind for the long game.
Two things first.
1. As anyone who’s written creative fiction knows, it’s terrifying to work on something for over a year and then show it off to who-knows how many thousands of people all at once. Especially in a field you’re not really ‘proven’ in (though, uh, arguably this feeling was far more pronounced with the introduction of the Galatia missions. There, yes, I was legitimately freaking out a bit. This time, much more confident and comfortable.
… Nonetheless, not everyone is going to like what you do. But I’ve been in games for, what, almost 15 years? And shipped at least one trainwreck. C’est la Vie! Regardless: You’ve all been very kind.
2. And: I know you guys want narrative payoff for the hanging plot threads at the end of Galatia, for the Gates, and now for the fate of the Church and Askonia. And I want to give them to you! But we have to do it when we have the mechanics in place to do it right. I know that sucks to hear, but I think playing the long-game will pay off. (- I think the narrative slow-burn that eg. Andor did was really, really smart because the payoff was fantastic. I have no idea how Disney executives approved that show and let them get away with what they did.)
Oh yeah, this is going to have spoilers for v0.96 story missions. You’ve been warned!
Passage to Volturn
Yes, this is an easter egg. Disney, don’t read this.
Will it tie into anything else? Maybe a little, I dunno. It’s important to leave yourself narrative opportunities that can be picked up later, or not. You can see this in lots of good serialized media, whether games or TV. (Is Andy Serkis coming back to Andor? He could, or could not. They left themselves an opportunity; very smart. At its worst, however, this teasing turns into plots that are all hook and no payoff; they end up feeling like there was no plan at all. Like, oh, Lost? And any number of JJ Abrams productions; ahem.)
Jethro, the Knight Errant
This mission wasn’t in the plan. I had intended to just introduce the character of Jethro at the end of the Shrines mission and leave him be as someone connected to Jaspis.
But then I had An Idea inspired by a movie which I won’t name (because it’d be a spoiler for where I think he could end up)(and.. isn’t even really in the content of the mission at all, except for some vibes. So don’t bother guessing). Right, so: I had to pivot the character introduction into its own whole mission sequence. At first, it was just “go to Chalcedon and pick up Jethro”. But then I had another idea inspired by another movie.
Run the clip: Lawrence of Arabia meets Sherif Ali
(Man, a whole minute of watching a camel walk toward the scene! Build-up! What a great movie.)
This is totally where I got the vibes of Sedge’s introduction. I mean, Omar Sharif’s character is actually nothing like Sedge, but it’s all in that first impression he makes on Lawrence – and the viewer.
Moving along, there’s a pretty obvious set-up with Jaspis to do something like with Baird in the “I need a hammer” dialog. When I was writing that, originally, it was the player character who was to be the “hammer”. But then I was like no, that sucks. We already did this exact same thing with Baird and we have enough old ladies bossing the player around while telling them they’re important for changing the course of history blah blah blah.
I cannot express enough how much I loathe power fantasies played straight. They’re so boring; they suck; you can get that tripe from any stupid game. So: Jaspis doesn’t think you’re The One at all – she thinks it’s Jethro. Except he doesn’t agree!
‘Course it all makes a lot more sense if he gets to do something cool after all of this setup, and we’re not there yet, are we. And maybe it doesn’t happen – it’s a plot thread, where it ends could be different from what I intended a year ago; and I should be open to the player radically affecting that outcome. (Because now that there are a bunch of different missions in the game, they don’t have to play as ‘safe’ as Galatia did – it should be possible to lock yourself out of opportunities by making decisions which change the course of a character – and the fate of the Sector.
You can just straight-up murder Sedge. This was me being like, well, why not? Let’s show the player we’re willing to cut a narrative thread once in a while. (This can get very expensive in terms of development time if you have to plot out a situation like “what if the player shoots Baird – but still wants the Gates mission to happen?” – like, yeah, something plausible could be concocted, but it’s a ton of work that is, besides, retreading old narrative ground. Would it be good for the game? Maybe not.)
… And I mean, we’re still doing the power fantasy. But pretending not to? At least?)
One more comment: it was observed to me that the Luddic Church is medieval. That is, as an institution, it fills in a lot more space in its society than we are used to thinking about for a/the Church in our contemporary societies. This made a lot of it click, for me. (And makes it quite clear that I’m halfway to writing a medieval-fantasy adventure when we’re in the realm of the Church; it’s a fun mood to hit with care and deliberation within the space of, well, a space scifi game.)
Sentinel/PK
Alex left a TODO for me while I was working on Shrines, and I didn’t really process it and just said something to the effect of “Yeah, yeah, leave some notes in the Rules file and I’ll fill in the text when I have time”. Then – lots of time later – I’d wrapped up Shrines and Usurpers and was feeling very good about myself. I thought I’d just knock out the rest of my TODO list real quick and actually looked at what I needed to do and discovered just how deep this content went.
Ohhh noooo, this is an actual whole story? ALEX!!!
Anyway, it’s fine. I’m fine. How are you?
There was a first take with Sentinel that was like three paragraphs and no choices, no unique art or characters. I recall Alex saying “this feels underbaked?”. So I said, “Alright Mosolov, if that’s how you want to play, I’m going to make this WEIRD.
So I did. And even then, I had to hold myself back because you could write a whole novel about Sentinel and not be finished. (And why, I ask myself, should it be so compelling? I think it’s due to all the build-up and investment we’ve done in laying out the setting background. What does the Hegemony mean, what did the XIVth mean, what does AI mean, and the AI Wars, and how do the stories people tell themselves change over time? And what happens when isolated threads of self-told stories from the same source run into each other?
Not that we got too deep into that, but the potential is there; and it makes me excited to poke at those possibilities. (Lots of plot hooks!)
The Usurpers
The whole setting of Askonia is the first thing I wrote when Alex asked me to take on some writing duties for Starsector in, IIRC, 2014. My notes date back to then, at least, and the broad strokes haven’t changed a bit. The three “usurpers” didn’t exist as named characters, but the broad factions/themes they represented in a conflict over the fate of the Diktat did exist. I thought the mix of historical allegories was pretty obvious, though I tried to mix them up a bit. I’m not going to talk about that here.
Andrada: I realized pretty early on that he can’t be a character in this game (and players arguing over how much of a genius he is or isn’t makes this all the more clear to me). His character is more interesting as an idea that lives in everyone elses’ head rather than a character on his own. His whole point is the legend built up around him, and how he, then other people, use it to their own advantage.
With that thought in mind, let me offer a perspective: have you ever been in a toxic work environment with variously insane managers/executives who are under tons of pressure? Just extend those dynamics a bit and that’s all you need to get this story.
Similarly, have you ever witnessed someone who is very good at their job – or considered good at their job – massively mess up doing that job? It sure happens all the time, and happens throughout history, and I think examining the dynamics that surround massive failure and its fallout are absolutely fascinating.
Macario
Now what you’ve really wanted me to talk about is probably Dolos Macario, right?
The core inspiration will probably be really obvious once you know it, but first: I wanted this character to be an absolute scumbag; totally evil, untrustworthy, a villain. He’s running the fascist secret police, he’s a bad dude. At the same time, it isn’t fun to write that. It can get really brutal and grimdark, and while I think that’s artistically legitimate, it’s not where I want to put my headspace while writing for this game.
(And heck, maybe the character shouldn’t be fun. I worry about this.)
At the risk of invoking a piece of media that Did It Better, here’s Hans Landa from Inglorious Basterds.
(And what an amazing scene; describe it on paper and it seems so simple, but it is so tense and every shot so intentional. Brilliant work; Christoph Waltz has irresistible charisma.)
— Anyway, Macario isn’t Landa, but I wanted the sense of a weird, evil guy who is having fun in his weird, evil job.
(And with apologies, I did base his portrait in part on George Orwell for a sense of totalitarian irony.)
Kanta & Cydonia
Speaking of evil, Kanta and Cydonia are fun to write. Not particularly political, just off-the-wall over-the-top space opera inhumanity. What whacky hijinks will they get up to next? It could be basically anything!
(And come to think of it, I think these two characters are pretty much lifted wholesale out of Alastair Reynolds’ novel Absolution Gap. Read the starting bit with Queen Jasmina and Grelier and a touch of Quaiche, and that’s basically them; oops. Major props to Reynolds for how he writes weird doctor characters; I swear, every book he does, there’s going to be a weird doctor. We love his weird doctors.)
Come to think of it even more, the medieval church scifi setting vibes probably owe quite a bit to this novel as well (to say nothing of Hyperion et al). Say what you will about the plot making sense in the grand scheme of things; who cares, the weird vibes are off-the-charts.
To bring this all back around, it feels like giving the Church and Diktat a bit more depth worked out pretty well, and we’ve got a bunch more interesting characters to play with. I’m happy with that. (I know the League needs some love, but we’ll get there when we get there.)
Both Alex and I are eager to bring some… explosive? … conclusions to the various narrative threads we’ve been building up over the years and we’re going to work very hard to make sure they hit like a Hammer when they hit.
Comment thread here.
(PS. Didn’t have a place for it in the post, but I’d totally cast Shohreh Aghdashloo aka Chrisjen Avasarala in The Expanse as Baird.)
Narrative in 0.96 aka Movie Night With David
Posted June 02, 2023 by dgbaumgart in Lore
I’d like to take a moment to talk about the development of narratives in the last update, and maybe in the game in general. I should note: this is a process post, not a lore-dump. So this is about how I went about coming up with these ideas and implementing them, not what Baikal Daud’s favorite flavor of ice cream is. More on anti-lore later. But yeah, I’m dying to talk about all of this but I have to play it fairly close to my chest to avoid spoiling what we’ve got in mind for the long game.
Two things first.
1. As anyone who’s written creative fiction knows, it’s terrifying to work on something for over a year and then show it off to who-knows how many thousands of people all at once. Especially in a field you’re not really ‘proven’ in (though, uh, arguably this feeling was far more pronounced with the introduction of the Galatia missions. There, yes, I was legitimately freaking out a bit. This time, much more confident and comfortable.
… Nonetheless, not everyone is going to like what you do. But I’ve been in games for, what, almost 15 years? And shipped at least one trainwreck. C’est la Vie! Regardless: You’ve all been very kind.
2. And: I know you guys want narrative payoff for the hanging plot threads at the end of Galatia, for the Gates, and now for the fate of the Church and Askonia. And I want to give them to you! But we have to do it when we have the mechanics in place to do it right. I know that sucks to hear, but I think playing the long-game will pay off. (- I think the narrative slow-burn that eg. Andor did was really, really smart because the payoff was fantastic. I have no idea how Disney executives approved that show and let them get away with what they did.)
Oh yeah, this is going to have spoilers for v0.96 story missions. You’ve been warned!
Passage to Volturn
Yes, this is an easter egg. Disney, don’t read this.
Will it tie into anything else? Maybe a little, I dunno. It’s important to leave yourself narrative opportunities that can be picked up later, or not. You can see this in lots of good serialized media, whether games or TV. (Is Andy Serkis coming back to Andor? He could, or could not. They left themselves an opportunity; very smart. At its worst, however, this teasing turns into plots that are all hook and no payoff; they end up feeling like there was no plan at all. Like, oh, Lost? And any number of JJ Abrams productions; ahem.)
Jethro, the Knight Errant
This mission wasn’t in the plan. I had intended to just introduce the character of Jethro at the end of the Shrines mission and leave him be as someone connected to Jaspis.
But then I had An Idea inspired by a movie which I won’t name (because it’d be a spoiler for where I think he could end up)(and.. isn’t even really in the content of the mission at all, except for some vibes. So don’t bother guessing). Right, so: I had to pivot the character introduction into its own whole mission sequence. At first, it was just “go to Chalcedon and pick up Jethro”. But then I had another idea inspired by another movie.
Run the clip: Lawrence of Arabia meets Sherif Ali
(Man, a whole minute of watching a camel walk toward the scene! Build-up! What a great movie.)
This is totally where I got the vibes of Sedge’s introduction. I mean, Omar Sharif’s character is actually nothing like Sedge, but it’s all in that first impression he makes on Lawrence – and the viewer.
Moving along, there’s a pretty obvious set-up with Jaspis to do something like with Baird in the “I need a hammer” dialog. When I was writing that, originally, it was the player character who was to be the “hammer”. But then I was like no, that sucks. We already did this exact same thing with Baird and we have enough old ladies bossing the player around while telling them they’re important for changing the course of history blah blah blah.
I cannot express enough how much I loathe power fantasies played straight. They’re so boring; they suck; you can get that tripe from any stupid game. So: Jaspis doesn’t think you’re The One at all – she thinks it’s Jethro. Except he doesn’t agree!
‘Course it all makes a lot more sense if he gets to do something cool after all of this setup, and we’re not there yet, are we. And maybe it doesn’t happen – it’s a plot thread, where it ends could be different from what I intended a year ago; and I should be open to the player radically affecting that outcome. (Because now that there are a bunch of different missions in the game, they don’t have to play as ‘safe’ as Galatia did – it should be possible to lock yourself out of opportunities by making decisions which change the course of a character – and the fate of the Sector.
You can just straight-up murder Sedge. This was me being like, well, why not? Let’s show the player we’re willing to cut a narrative thread once in a while. (This can get very expensive in terms of development time if you have to plot out a situation like “what if the player shoots Baird – but still wants the Gates mission to happen?” – like, yeah, something plausible could be concocted, but it’s a ton of work that is, besides, retreading old narrative ground. Would it be good for the game? Maybe not.)
… And I mean, we’re still doing the power fantasy. But pretending not to? At least?)
One more comment: it was observed to me that the Luddic Church is medieval. That is, as an institution, it fills in a lot more space in its society than we are used to thinking about for a/the Church in our contemporary societies. This made a lot of it click, for me. (And makes it quite clear that I’m halfway to writing a medieval-fantasy adventure when we’re in the realm of the Church; it’s a fun mood to hit with care and deliberation within the space of, well, a space scifi game.)
Sentinel/PK
Alex left a TODO for me while I was working on Shrines, and I didn’t really process it and just said something to the effect of “Yeah, yeah, leave some notes in the Rules file and I’ll fill in the text when I have time”. Then – lots of time later – I’d wrapped up Shrines and Usurpers and was feeling very good about myself. I thought I’d just knock out the rest of my TODO list real quick and actually looked at what I needed to do and discovered just how deep this content went.
Ohhh noooo, this is an actual whole story? ALEX!!!
Anyway, it’s fine. I’m fine. How are you?
There was a first take with Sentinel that was like three paragraphs and no choices, no unique art or characters. I recall Alex saying “this feels underbaked?”. So I said, “Alright Mosolov, if that’s how you want to play, I’m going to make this WEIRD.
So I did. And even then, I had to hold myself back because you could write a whole novel about Sentinel and not be finished. (And why, I ask myself, should it be so compelling? I think it’s due to all the build-up and investment we’ve done in laying out the setting background. What does the Hegemony mean, what did the XIVth mean, what does AI mean, and the AI Wars, and how do the stories people tell themselves change over time? And what happens when isolated threads of self-told stories from the same source run into each other?
Not that we got too deep into that, but the potential is there; and it makes me excited to poke at those possibilities. (Lots of plot hooks!)
The Usurpers
The whole setting of Askonia is the first thing I wrote when Alex asked me to take on some writing duties for Starsector in, IIRC, 2014. My notes date back to then, at least, and the broad strokes haven’t changed a bit. The three “usurpers” didn’t exist as named characters, but the broad factions/themes they represented in a conflict over the fate of the Diktat did exist. I thought the mix of historical allegories was pretty obvious, though I tried to mix them up a bit. I’m not going to talk about that here.
Andrada: I realized pretty early on that he can’t be a character in this game (and players arguing over how much of a genius he is or isn’t makes this all the more clear to me). His character is more interesting as an idea that lives in everyone elses’ head rather than a character on his own. His whole point is the legend built up around him, and how he, then other people, use it to their own advantage.
With that thought in mind, let me offer a perspective: have you ever been in a toxic work environment with variously insane managers/executives who are under tons of pressure? Just extend those dynamics a bit and that’s all you need to get this story.
Similarly, have you ever witnessed someone who is very good at their job – or considered good at their job – massively mess up doing that job? It sure happens all the time, and happens throughout history, and I think examining the dynamics that surround massive failure and its fallout are absolutely fascinating.
Macario
Now what you’ve really wanted me to talk about is probably Dolos Macario, right?
The core inspiration will probably be really obvious once you know it, but first: I wanted this character to be an absolute scumbag; totally evil, untrustworthy, a villain. He’s running the fascist secret police, he’s a bad dude. At the same time, it isn’t fun to write that. It can get really brutal and grimdark, and while I think that’s artistically legitimate, it’s not where I want to put my headspace while writing for this game.
(And heck, maybe the character shouldn’t be fun. I worry about this.)
At the risk of invoking a piece of media that Did It Better, here’s Hans Landa from Inglorious Basterds.
(And what an amazing scene; describe it on paper and it seems so simple, but it is so tense and every shot so intentional. Brilliant work; Christoph Waltz has irresistible charisma.)
— Anyway, Macario isn’t Landa, but I wanted the sense of a weird, evil guy who is having fun in his weird, evil job.
(And with apologies, I did base his portrait in part on George Orwell for a sense of totalitarian irony.)
Kanta & Cydonia
Speaking of evil, Kanta and Cydonia are fun to write. Not particularly political, just off-the-wall over-the-top space opera inhumanity. What whacky hijinks will they get up to next? It could be basically anything!
(And come to think of it, I think these two characters are pretty much lifted wholesale out of Alastair Reynolds’ novel Absolution Gap. Read the starting bit with Queen Jasmina and Grelier and a touch of Quaiche, and that’s basically them; oops. Major props to Reynolds for how he writes weird doctor characters; I swear, every book he does, there’s going to be a weird doctor. We love his weird doctors.)
Come to think of it even more, the medieval church scifi setting vibes probably owe quite a bit to this novel as well (to say nothing of Hyperion et al). Say what you will about the plot making sense in the grand scheme of things; who cares, the weird vibes are off-the-charts.
To bring this all back around, it feels like giving the Church and Diktat a bit more depth worked out pretty well, and we’ve got a bunch more interesting characters to play with. I’m happy with that. (I know the League needs some love, but we’ll get there when we get there.)
Both Alex and I are eager to bring some… explosive? … conclusions to the various narrative threads we’ve been building up over the years and we’re going to work very hard to make sure they hit like a Hammer when they hit.
Comment thread here.
(PS. Didn’t have a place for it in the post, but I’d totally cast Shohreh Aghdashloo aka Chrisjen Avasarala in The Expanse as Baird.)
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:17 pm
This thread is fucking retarded, EmpressMaia is being fucking retarded, Timber is being fucking retarded and finally Vekter is being consistent I love that about him hope he never changes.
Larcran however is the bigger fucking retard.
Now back into the atmos-sim world I gonna love roleplaying as Lacran where I just kill anyone who calls me a lightbulb and when any jannies comes to bwoink me for improper escalation I'm gonna link them this thread.
Larcran however is the bigger fucking retard.
I don't want people like you living in my society. It's good that if you are so subhuman that you feel the need to attack people in the streets over words that the police would rightfully haul your ass away. Holy FUCK.
Now back into the atmos-sim world I gonna love roleplaying as Lacran where I just kill anyone who calls me a lightbulb and when any jannies comes to bwoink me for improper escalation I'm gonna link them this thread.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:17 pm
this post is the result of what 25 years of the internet has given to the worldLacran wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:11 pmekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:04 pmDo you actually think a person who was socialised growing up's first reaction to being called a slur is assault and battery, a felony?
You think you turn a well-adjusted human being into a felon just by saying a word, like this is some Harry Potter mind control spell?
No, it's not, it's an apt description of how you and Vekter think black people (maybe all people(?) judging by your recent reply) behave.
If you came up to me randomly on the street, and started calling me words my culture finds extremely offensive. I am going to beat the shit out of you.
This isn't because I'm irrational or incapable of self-expression. It's because the person I'm dealing with has made it clear they don't care about me and what I have to say. Their goal is to upset me.
The best way to stop them from trying to hurt me or others is to show them how quickly it can result in them getting hurt. A lesson you've clearly yet to learn.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:19 pm
can we ban ekaterina for their terrible opinions please
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:19 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:14 pmThat type of gorilla response is a nice way to ensure you end up being carried away in cuffs and spend a decade without seeing your family or friends, surrounded by people as violent as you.Lacran wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:11 pm If you came up to me randomly on the street, and started calling me words my culture finds extremely offensive. I am going to beat the shit out of you.
This isn't because I'm irrational or incapable of self-expression. It's because the person I'm dealing with has made it clear they don't care about me and what I have to say. Their goal is to upset me.
The best way to stop them from trying to hurt me or others is to show them how quickly it can result in them getting hurt. A lesson you've clearly yet to learn.
Civilised people, of all races, are, you see, able to control their violent impulses.
Are you familiar with how provocation and self defence can be applied in these situations?
You can't randomly harrass people, get hit and then they become a felon, that's not how those situations play out usually.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:22 pm
Boot's right about you, you know. You've hardly ground to stand on calling anyone else's opinions terrible, catgirl.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:19 pm can we ban ekaterina for their terrible opinions please
Beating someone up over words is not self-defence, there is no present physical danger to yourself, and harassment does not give you the legal right to commit assault and battery
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:22 pm
its called assault.Lacran wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:19 pmAre you familiar with how provocation and self defence can be applied in these situations?ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:14 pmThat type of gorilla response is a nice way to ensure you end up being carried away in cuffs and spend a decade without seeing your family or friends, surrounded by people as violent as you.Lacran wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:11 pm If you came up to me randomly on the street, and started calling me words my culture finds extremely offensive. I am going to beat the shit out of you.
This isn't because I'm irrational or incapable of self-expression. It's because the person I'm dealing with has made it clear they don't care about me and what I have to say. Their goal is to upset me.
The best way to stop them from trying to hurt me or others is to show them how quickly it can result in them getting hurt. A lesson you've clearly yet to learn.
Civilised people, of all races, are, you see, able to control their violent impulses.
You can't randomly harrass people, get hit and then they become a felon, that's not how those situations play out usually.
you go to jail for that. tbh i'm much more worried about the guy that beats someone half to death for using a Big Meany Word than the one that used the Big Meany Word
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:23 pm
christ how do i hide threads
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:24 pm
someone calling you a slur to your face IRL is absolutely a matter of self defense, ive been called a faggot IRL on several occasions by people with the intention of hurting meekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:22 pmBoot's right about you, you know. You've hardly ground to stand on calling anyone else's opinions terrible, catgirl.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:19 pm can we ban ekaterina for their terrible opinions please
Beating someone up over words is not self-defence, there is no present physical danger to yourself, and harassment does not give you the legal right to commit assault and battery
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:24 pm
in case anyone else is confused the guy did not dnr or ghost i think the medical lizard just lied so nobody would care
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:25 pm
You're conflating two things.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:24 pmsomeone calling you a slur to your face IRL is absolutely a matter of self defense, ive been called a faggot IRL on several occasions by people with the intention of hurting meekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:22 pmBoot's right about you, you know. You've hardly ground to stand on calling anyone else's opinions terrible, catgirl.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:19 pm can we ban ekaterina for their terrible opinions please
Beating someone up over words is not self-defence, there is no present physical danger to yourself, and harassment does not give you the legal right to commit assault and battery
It can be a prelude to a matter of self-defence, if the person using the slurs also has the intention to hurt you.
Simply using a word per se does not create a matter of self-defence.
Thanks. I checked the logs and that didn't seem to add up but I'm not used to logs so I wasn't sure.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:25 pm
Bmon is based as fuck
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:26 pm
until you get assaulted on the sidewalk of your own home for being abnormal in the eyes of bigots like i have, i really dont care what you have to say about this matterekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:25 pmYou're conflating two things.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:24 pmsomeone calling you a slur to your face IRL is absolutely a matter of self defense, ive been called a faggot IRL on several occasions by people with the intention of hurting meekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:22 pmBoot's right about you, you know. You've hardly ground to stand on calling anyone else's opinions terrible, catgirl.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:19 pm can we ban ekaterina for their terrible opinions please
Beating someone up over words is not self-defence, there is no present physical danger to yourself, and harassment does not give you the legal right to commit assault and battery
It can be a prelude to a matter of self-defence, if the person using the slurs also has the intention to hurt you.
Simply using a word per se does not create a matter of self-defence.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:27 pm
If you think every fight that involves someone getting punched for saying the meanie word results in jail time, or even the charge you're in for a wake up call.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:22 pm
its called assault.
you go to jail for that. tbh i'm much more worried about the guy that beats someone half to death than the one that used the Big Meany Word
Provocation and self defence impact assault. To what degree varies from place to place.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:27 pm
That's not being based, you generic catgirl. It's shitting on the ruling that expressly states "non-lethal escalation". Escalating to round removal is invalid.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:27 pm
another day, another spew of takes so bad from Ekat it’s hard to believe they aren’t trolling, can we stop with the reruns? I’m desperate for some new episodes
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:28 pm
Yeah you just said it yourself UNTIL. You agree that there is a difference between words and violence.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:26 pmuntil you get assaulted on the sidewalk of your own home for being abnormal in the eyes of bigots like i have, i really dont care what you have to say about this matterekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:25 pmYou're conflating two things.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:24 pmsomeone calling you a slur to your face IRL is absolutely a matter of self defense, ive been called a faggot IRL on several occasions by people with the intention of hurting meekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:22 pmBoot's right about you, you know. You've hardly ground to stand on calling anyone else's opinions terrible, catgirl.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:19 pm can we ban ekaterina for their terrible opinions please
Beating someone up over words is not self-defence, there is no present physical danger to yourself, and harassment does not give you the legal right to commit assault and battery
It can be a prelude to a matter of self-defence, if the person using the slurs also has the intention to hurt you.
Simply using a word per se does not create a matter of self-defence.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:29 pm
I keep seeing shit about Starsector and I'm thinking about starting to play it, any tips?
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:30 pm
Of course not "every fight" has that result, especially in places with corrupt police that you can bribe the police to be let go.
In places with rule of law, however, it does.
Who an argument comes from has no bearing on whether it is valid or invalid. That's not how logic works.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:26 pm until you get assaulted on the sidewalk of your own home for being abnormal in the eyes of bigots like i have, i really dont care what you have to say about this matter
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:32 pm
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:33 pm
resetting the "days without talking about slurs" to 0
imagine.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:28 pm Were we to deny the use of the gamer word in its entirety, would he cease to post here?
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:34 pm
starsector players be like “yeah the game is so good, it’s in 0.00001 though and the game only gets updated every 5 years”
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:38 pm
btw it's literally this easy to make your forum experience better. highly suggest blocking #1 MSO stan slur enjoyer
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:40 pm
Nigga for us to be living in "your" society you would have to belong to one in the first place instead of eating chicken tenders in your mom's spare room and calling people gamer words on twitter all day. Pay taxes bro go outside god damnBoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:17 pm This thread is fucking retarded, EmpressMaia is being fucking retarded, Timber is being fucking retarded and finally Vekter is being consistent I love that about him hope he never changes.
Larcran however is the bigger fucking retard.I don't want people like you living in my society. It's good that if you are so subhuman that you feel the need to attack people in the streets over words that the police would rightfully haul your ass away. Holy FUCK.
Now back into the atmos-sim world I gonna love roleplaying as Lacran where I just kill anyone who calls me a lightbulb and when any jannies comes to bwoink me for improper escalation I'm gonna link them this thread.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:41 pm
This is a legal discussion now. If you are an American "fighting words doctrine" is very relevant here.
Assault is against the law, but the actions of the other party impact the charge up to the point of the charges being dropped entirely.
If your words made a person feel reasonably threatened for their well-being (a random racist confronting you can be that) there are cases where you can assault protected by self defence. The force you apply would need to be limited only to ensure you can leave safely, a punch or two fits this.
Mitigating factors are things like provocation, involving words and harrassment. Assault can be greatly reduced in severity by provocation to simple probation. Or just sit in your record and become relevant when needed.
The idea that if someone is maliciously insulting you unprovoked you are still expected to be a 100% model citizen is extremely naive.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:43 pm
https://open.spotify.com/artist/5fKs3wJDbfdrr7qLQu0JpF
The ULTRAKILL soundtrack is now on Spotify, Apple and YouTube music and such (+ still on Bandcamp).
The game itself is also 25% off on Steam. It's fun and worth your time!
The ULTRAKILL soundtrack is now on Spotify, Apple and YouTube music and such (+ still on Bandcamp).
The game itself is also 25% off on Steam. It's fun and worth your time!
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:44 pm
ultrakrillFikou wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:43 pm https://open.spotify.com/artist/5fKs3wJDbfdrr7qLQu0JpF
The ULTRAKILL soundtrack is now on Spotify, Apple and YouTube music and such (+ still on Bandcamp).
The game itself is also 25% off on Steam. It's fun and worth your time!
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:44 pm
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:44 pm
fikou laughed at me for like 10 minutes after I died to v2 like twice i fucking hate that guy so much it’s unreal
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:46 pm
I definitely bought the soundtrack off of bandcamp. I love the game, I just wish I was better at it. Been experimenting trying to bind more stuff to the mouse like parry/weapon swap but I can't consistently get P ranks on the newest chapters because I can't seem to shake off the rust. Definitely P-ranked 1 and 2 on violent, thoughFikou wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:43 pm https://open.spotify.com/artist/5fKs3wJDbfdrr7qLQu0JpF
The ULTRAKILL soundtrack is now on Spotify, Apple and YouTube music and such (+ still on Bandcamp).
The game itself is also 25% off on Steam. It's fun and worth your time!
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:49 pm
That jurisprudence is quite different from the one where I currently reside. I'm not American, I game on Terry.Lacran wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:41 pm This is a legal discussion now. If you are an American "fighting words doctrine" is very relevant here.
Assault is against the law, but the actions of the other party impact the charge up to the point of the charges being dropped entirely.
If your words made a person feel reasonably threatened for their well-being (a random racist confronting you can be that) there are cases where you can assault protected by self defence. The force you apply would need to be limited only to ensure you can leave safely, a punch or two fits this.
Mitigating factors are things like provocation, involving words and harrassment. Assault can be greatly reduced in severity by provocation to simple probation. Or just sit in your record and become relevant when needed.
The idea that if someone is maliciously insulting you unprovoked you are still expected to be a 100% model citizen is extremely naive.
Still, being insulted does not by itself constitute a reasonable threat to your well-being, and I'd question whether it's reasonable for provocation to be a mitigating factor this powerful.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:52 pm
Having a nice family willing and able to keep me off the streets is a blessing I thank everyday. I'll keep praying for you.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:40 pmNigga for us to be living in "your" society you would have to belong to one in the first place instead of eating chicken tenders in your mom's spare room and calling people gamer words on twitter all day. Pay taxes bro go outside god damnBoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:17 pm This thread is fucking retarded, EmpressMaia is being fucking retarded, Timber is being fucking retarded and finally Vekter is being consistent I love that about him hope he never changes.
Larcran however is the bigger fucking retard.I don't want people like you living in my society. It's good that if you are so subhuman that you feel the need to attack people in the streets over words that the police would rightfully haul your ass away. Holy FUCK.
Now back into the atmos-sim world I gonna love roleplaying as Lacran where I just kill anyone who calls me a lightbulb and when any jannies comes to bwoink me for improper escalation I'm gonna link them this thread.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:53 pm
Man I wish I knew
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:54 pm
Lmao this buttlicker is a fucking europoor thinking he could get away with calling someone a slur and getting his ass beat and they'd go to jail. You stupid moron you'd be jailed for hate crimes for bruising a brown person's knuckles and you'd die waiting for socialized healthcare to pay to extract your teeth from your colon you donutekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:49 pmThat jurisprudence is quite different from the one where I currently reside. I'm not American, I game on Terry.Lacran wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:41 pm This is a legal discussion now. If you are an American "fighting words doctrine" is very relevant here.
Assault is against the law, but the actions of the other party impact the charge up to the point of the charges being dropped entirely.
If your words made a person feel reasonably threatened for their well-being (a random racist confronting you can be that) there are cases where you can assault protected by self defence. The force you apply would need to be limited only to ensure you can leave safely, a punch or two fits this.
Mitigating factors are things like provocation, involving words and harrassment. Assault can be greatly reduced in severity by provocation to simple probation. Or just sit in your record and become relevant when needed.
The idea that if someone is maliciously insulting you unprovoked you are still expected to be a 100% model citizen is extremely naive.
Still, being insulted does not by itself constitute a reasonable threat to your well-being, and I'd question whether it's reasonable for provocation to be a mitigating factor this powerful.
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:54 pm
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:58 pm
lmao this American doesn't know Geography, he thinks every place outside of America is Europe and he thinks every place in Europe is the same. The typical British/German shithole you hear about is not representative of an entire continent. It's laughable that you shit on healthcare anywhere else in the world with the absolute joke you have going on over there.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:54 pm Lmao this buttlicker is a fucking europoor thinking he could get away with calling someone a slur and getting his ass beat and they'd go to jail. You stupid moron you'd be jailed for hate crimes for bruising a brown person's knuckles and you'd die waiting for socialized healthcare to pay to extract your teeth from your colon you donut
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:58 pm
If you are insulting someone unprovoked based off their race it is clear to the recipient that:
1: You have hostile intent.
2: The hostility is based on their race, which you can't really alter or reason with to de-escalate using words.
In many situations this is viewed as a self defence situation. It's justifiable to feel threatened or in danger by this person. You are an aggressor
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:59 pm
oh my god i left this thread for like 40 minutes what happened
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:00 pm
Woah it's getting kinda hot in here.
Let's go back to being a peanut thread!!
Grrrr!! Charley made a TAKE!?!?!11
Do we AGREE? Do we DISAGREE? Is this admin on admin VIOLENCE?
Is she NOT sweet like candy? And a RACIST BIGOT?!
please stop fighting.
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Let's go back to being a peanut thread!!
Grrrr!! Charley made a TAKE!?!?!11
Do we AGREE? Do we DISAGREE? Is this admin on admin VIOLENCE?
Is she NOT sweet like candy? And a RACIST BIGOT?!
please stop fighting.
viewtopic.php?p=691972#p691972
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:01 pm
I miss arm
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:03 pm
what happened to arm
Re: Fuck off racist
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:03 pm
Maybe if you could figure out how to shit in the toilet instead of the street you people would not catch so much cholera. Enjoy your rich cultural heritage of chronic diarrhea and headlice, caravaneer.ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:58 pmlmao this American doesn't know Geography, he thinks every place outside of America is Europe and he thinks every place in Europe is the same. The typical British/German shithole you hear about is not representative of an entire continent. It's laughable that you shit on healthcare anywhere else in the world with the absolute joke you have going on over there.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:54 pm Lmao this buttlicker is a fucking europoor thinking he could get away with calling someone a slur and getting his ass beat and they'd go to jail. You stupid moron you'd be jailed for hate crimes for bruising a brown person's knuckles and you'd die waiting for socialized healthcare to pay to extract your teeth from your colon you donut