The Jordan Peterson saga
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:11 am
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Oh, yeah... now that you mention it, he did say that... I guess reading it in his appeal got it in my head and then I forgot why I'd associated that phrase to him. I used that phrase because he used it himself, which also explains why I couldn't define it: I can't read his mind and know what the phrase means to him.
That sounds so ridiculous that it is almost certainly a strawman, especially considering how many assumptions you like to make about people who disagree with you.
Niche videogame forums are not the place I like to go to discuss politics, so I'll neither answer honestly nor dishonestly, especially since it's a loaded question involving a term that means different things to each person.
I don't plan on replying any further either. This thread's derailing from a discussion of a ban and admin misconduct into a discussion of a divisive political issue which I have no interest in discussing here.
Stop bringing this political crap to the forums and fuck off already. You didn't need to bring that nonsensical rant in.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 7:33 amOh, yeah... now that you mention it, he did say that... I guess reading it in his appeal got it in my head and then I forgot why I'd associated that phrase to him. I used that phrase because he used it himself, which also explains why I couldn't define it: I can't read his mind and know what the phrase means to him.
That sounds so ridiculous that it is almost certainly a strawman, especially considering how many assumptions you like to make about people who disagree with you.
Niche videogame forums are not the place I like to go to discuss politics, so I'll neither answer honestly nor dishonestly, especially since it's a loaded question involving a term that means different things to each person.
I don't plan on replying any further either. This thread's derailing from a discussion of a ban and admin misconduct into a discussion of a divisive political issue which I have no interest in discussing here.
Having seen what this forum community's like on any subject even tangentially related to politics, I'll pass on arguing against a brick wall so terminally online it thinks Twitter accurately represents average political beliefs, takes value judgements as objective fact, twists my words imposing on them its own definitions, spouts informal fallacies and formal fallacies alike, and where dogpiling is the order of the day.
Persecution fetish.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:15 am I'll say for the record that its very common to permaban low hour players who just randomly say slurs in ahelps/ooc since its typically evaders/griefers who do this, and the rest aren't always people who we want to keep around, the guy in the appeal is the latter, I don't even know why they wanted to appeal it since this is a "tranny shit" server.
This is exactly what right-wingers do with trans people, turn basic human right into "divisive political issue"
Out of all the stupid things ekaterina posted in this thread why did you pick the least braindead one to hone in on in the most braindead matter?Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:11 amYou failed the vibe check. There is no "transgender ideology", it's bullshit people spew to try and justify their hate of trans people. Wanna know what they think it is? They think the "transgender ideology" is to kidnap and fuck their kids. That's what they think of trans people.
luckily the unwritten rule applies to admins and i lol'edekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:29 am Clear admin misconduct.
Banning a player for approaching you and asking a question is beyond retarded. Wordlessly banning a cooperative player is malicious. Responding to a player's appeal and complaint with memes (and nothing else) is unprofessional.
I rarely argue for harsh punishments, but this case is just so blatant I'm wondering whether it would call for this bozo to be deadminned immediately following this incident.
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pmOut of all the stupid things ekaterina posted in this thread why did you pick the least braindead one to hone in on in the most braindead matter?Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:11 amYou failed the vibe check. There is no "transgender ideology", it's bullshit people spew to try and justify their hate of trans people. Wanna know what they think it is? They think the "transgender ideology" is to kidnap and fuck their kids. That's what they think of trans people.
"Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
Also, transparency report.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:21 pmluckily the unwritten rule applies to admins and i lol'edekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:29 am Clear admin misconduct.
Banning a player for approaching you and asking a question is beyond retarded. Wordlessly banning a cooperative player is malicious. Responding to a player's appeal and complaint with memes (and nothing else) is unprofessional.
I rarely argue for harsh punishments, but this case is just so blatant I'm wondering whether it would call for this bozo to be deadminned immediately following this incident.
Why not? You seemed perfectly fine discussing the inherent value of racial slurs, but now arguing about "trans ideology" is problematic to you?
But this is all I needed to hear, thank you
That's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
Really? It all just boils down to fuck the gays eh? You don't think that the parents of the swimmers who got stomped out by Lia Thomas have any legitimate concern? Parents finding estrogen being sold to their kids with the instructions to "keep out of reach of parents" or being taught to melt plastic bags to make at home are just upset about LGB? The constant talk about "There's a trans genocide they're coming for us they hate us all" ends up with one depopulating an elementary school but anyone who brings that up must just hate the gays right?Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:01 pmThat's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
And we need to ban for these political views because..? Just say that they're an obvious troll and ban them for that.Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:01 pmThat's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
the way they engaged broke the rules. TBM decided to not respond to their rhetoric. he wasn't aggressive or attacking the player's beliefs on a personal level. he saved himself a headache by turning their poor behaviour into a joke before showing them the door. it was a good way to handle a situation that's often deeply unpleasant to deal with. they would not have wanted to play here anyway because, among other groups, we don't tolerate the expression of bigotry against lgbt+ people. i imagine this is the "getting uppity" that they were referring to.Rule 11 wrote:Intentionally seeking to demean others due to their actual or perceived race, sex, gender, disability, orientation or the like is not tolerated.
this is by far the funniest thing you've ever posted, well done.
Straight people have been doing weird shit to kids and shooting up schools for a while nowBoot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:28 pmReally? It all just boils down to fuck the gays eh? You don't think that the parents of the swimmers who got stomped out by Lia Thomas have any legitimate concern? Parents finding estrogen being sold to their kids with the instructions to "keep out of reach of parents" or being taught to melt plastic bags to make at home are just upset about LGB? The constant talk about "There's a trans genocide they're coming for us they hate us all" ends up with one depopulating an elementary school but anyone who brings that up must just hate the gays right?Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:01 pmThat's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
1. Sure however when people push back against people saying crazy shit typically they don't to hide behind the "they just hate us" shield as effectively.Lacran wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:38 pmStraight people have been doing weird shit to kids and shooting up schools for a while nowBoot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:28 pmReally? It all just boils down to fuck the gays eh? You don't think that the parents of the swimmers who got stomped out by Lia Thomas have any legitimate concern? Parents finding estrogen being sold to their kids with the instructions to "keep out of reach of parents" or being taught to melt plastic bags to make at home are just upset about LGB? The constant talk about "There's a trans genocide they're coming for us they hate us all" ends up with one depopulating an elementary school but anyone who brings that up must just hate the gays right?Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:01 pmThat's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
Who specifically managed to deflect a school shooting using that argument boot? The people you complain about is a group of people that make up a tiny minority, within another tiny minority.Boot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:42 pm1. Sure however when people push back against people saying crazy shit typically they don't to hide behind the "they just hate us" shield as effectively.Lacran wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:38 pmStraight people have been doing weird shit to kids and shooting up schools for a while nowBoot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:28 pmReally? It all just boils down to fuck the gays eh? You don't think that the parents of the swimmers who got stomped out by Lia Thomas have any legitimate concern? Parents finding estrogen being sold to their kids with the instructions to "keep out of reach of parents" or being taught to melt plastic bags to make at home are just upset about LGB? The constant talk about "There's a trans genocide they're coming for us they hate us all" ends up with one depopulating an elementary school but anyone who brings that up must just hate the gays right?Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:01 pmThat's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
2. I'm old enough to remember the arguments used against them. It was "no one is going to teach your kids to be gay."
Sorry mom and dad told me I had to stop before I dunked you into next week.Lacran wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:48 pmWho specifically managed to deflect a school shooting using that argument boot? The people you complain about is a group of people that make up a tiny minority, within another tiny minority.Boot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:42 pm1. Sure however when people push back against people saying crazy shit typically they don't to hide behind the "they just hate us" shield as effectively.Lacran wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:38 pmStraight people have been doing weird shit to kids and shooting up schools for a while nowBoot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:28 pmReally? It all just boils down to fuck the gays eh? You don't think that the parents of the swimmers who got stomped out by Lia Thomas have any legitimate concern? Parents finding estrogen being sold to their kids with the instructions to "keep out of reach of parents" or being taught to melt plastic bags to make at home are just upset about LGB? The constant talk about "There's a trans genocide they're coming for us they hate us all" ends up with one depopulating an elementary school but anyone who brings that up must just hate the gays right?Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:01 pmThat's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
2. I'm old enough to remember the arguments used against them. It was "no one is going to teach your kids to be gay."
Are you saying kids are gay because schools teach it now? What's your point here?
Boot everytime you speak you always end up getting Club Q'd on the headBoot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:21 pmSorry mom and dad told me I had to stop before I dunked you into next week.Lacran wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:48 pmWho specifically managed to deflect a school shooting using that argument boot? The people you complain about is a group of people that make up a tiny minority, within another tiny minority.Boot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:42 pm1. Sure however when people push back against people saying crazy shit typically they don't to hide behind the "they just hate us" shield as effectively.Lacran wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:38 pmStraight people have been doing weird shit to kids and shooting up schools for a while nowBoot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:28 pmReally? It all just boils down to fuck the gays eh? You don't think that the parents of the swimmers who got stomped out by Lia Thomas have any legitimate concern? Parents finding estrogen being sold to their kids with the instructions to "keep out of reach of parents" or being taught to melt plastic bags to make at home are just upset about LGB? The constant talk about "There's a trans genocide they're coming for us they hate us all" ends up with one depopulating an elementary school but anyone who brings that up must just hate the gays right?Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:01 pmThat's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
2. I'm old enough to remember the arguments used against them. It was "no one is going to teach your kids to be gay."
Are you saying kids are gay because schools teach it now? What's your point here?
Here you go ekat.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:29 am Clear admin misconduct.
Banning a player for approaching you and asking a question is beyond retarded. Wordlessly banning a cooperative player is malicious. Responding to a player's appeal and complaint with memes (and nothing else) is unprofessional.
I rarely argue for harsh punishments, but this case is just so blatant I'm wondering whether it would call for this bozo to be deadminned immediately following this incident. It definitely warrants an investigation at the very least, which our headmins don't seem to be doing.
If the player does happen to see this by any chance, my advice is to not ask, and instead try the server and see for yourself. Asking this kind of question, especially phrased like this, makes it look like you're trolling.
By the way, this isn't how to make a peanut. Share links, not screenshots!
Appeal: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34747
Complaint 1: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34751
Complaint 2: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34750
Complaint 3: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34749
check em
Thanks for not "dunking me into next week" Ben Shapiro style boot. Glad I didn't have to tackle your political acumen that definitely isn't just the shit you scrape off your boot after visiting /pol/.
Ekat has a point.The conduct breaches were both blatant and obvious. It's only because it was an ahelp from someone that was phrased in such a stupid way that clearly showed their credentials as a bigot that any of this was given a pass.conrad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:50 pmHere you go ekat.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:29 am Clear admin misconduct.
Banning a player for approaching you and asking a question is beyond retarded. Wordlessly banning a cooperative player is malicious. Responding to a player's appeal and complaint with memes (and nothing else) is unprofessional.
I rarely argue for harsh punishments, but this case is just so blatant I'm wondering whether it would call for this bozo to be deadminned immediately following this incident. It definitely warrants an investigation at the very least, which our headmins don't seem to be doing.
If the player does happen to see this by any chance, my advice is to not ask, and instead try the server and see for yourself. Asking this kind of question, especially phrased like this, makes it look like you're trolling.
By the way, this isn't how to make a peanut. Share links, not screenshots!
Appeal: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34747
Complaint 1: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34751
Complaint 2: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34750
Complaint 3: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34749
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Admin_Conduct
Point to where the misconduct was, please.
It's actually because of my experience with discussions like that that I chose not to continue discussing this.
I thought it obvious.Maintain professional conduct both in game and outside of the game. It is expected that you take the position seriously.
It's good to see some someone accepting responsibility for this issue.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:26 pm The conduct breaches were both blatant and obvious (...) excepting that they were spurred on by a headmin to do it, which basically means I'm responsible and not them
Timberpoes has investigated himself and cleared himself of any wrongdoing. Outstanding.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:26 pm You shouldn't try to gaslight them into thinking this kind of conduct from admins or headmins is anything even remotely acceptable. Because it's not.
Except when it is acceptable. And this is totally one of those cases.
Another satisfied timperpose voterTimberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:26 pmEkat has a point.The conduct breaches were both blatant and obvious. It's only because it was an ahelp from someone that was phrased in such a stupid way that clearly showed their credentials as a bigot that any of this was given a pass.conrad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:50 pmHere you go ekat.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:29 am Clear admin misconduct.
Banning a player for approaching you and asking a question is beyond retarded. Wordlessly banning a cooperative player is malicious. Responding to a player's appeal and complaint with memes (and nothing else) is unprofessional.
I rarely argue for harsh punishments, but this case is just so blatant I'm wondering whether it would call for this bozo to be deadminned immediately following this incident. It definitely warrants an investigation at the very least, which our headmins don't seem to be doing.
If the player does happen to see this by any chance, my advice is to not ask, and instead try the server and see for yourself. Asking this kind of question, especially phrased like this, makes it look like you're trolling.
By the way, this isn't how to make a peanut. Share links, not screenshots!
Appeal: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34747
Complaint 1: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34751
Complaint 2: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34750
Complaint 3: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34749
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Admin_Conduct
Point to where the misconduct was, please.
It's poor conduct to troll players like that in ahelps. The conduct-friendly approach would have been to explain to them that our server reject expression of bigotry in general, and transphobia falls under that and that their opening ahelp was expressing bigotry.
It was also poor conduct (excepting that they were spurred on by a headmin to do it, which basically means I'm responsible and not them) to just drop a kermit ASCII art in the appeal and deny it without any additional airs or graces.
The handling of all the complaints had a lot of iffy conduct from the headmins.
So Ekat is technically correct, the best kind of correct. You shouldn't try to gaslight them into thinking this kind of conduct from admins or headmins is anything even remotely acceptable. Because it's not.
Except when it is acceptable. And this is totally one of those cases. The admin team aren't all cold, dry robots. We can have fun and enjoy ourselves. It's not every day we get someone asking us about how supportive we are of "tranny shit". And it's not every day we get to mess around a little in response to what is the most tone-deaf, room illeterate question someone can ask while seeing if we'll give them recommendations to another server hosting our code that is more bigot-friendly.
So although Ekat is technically correct, it falls under an exception where we'd allow the unallowable; conduct breaches. This is not a case of lacking any conduct breaches in the first place.
Did you not see the contents of the ahelp? We're not customer service droids that unfeelingly stamp tickets from the ivory tower. tbm simply sent a very wholesome "yikes".
I wish I had Timberpoes' olympic ethical gymnastic movement range.
He does that a lot.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:48 pmTimberpoes has investigated himself and cleared himself of any wrongdoing. Outstanding.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:26 pm You shouldn't try to gaslight them into thinking this kind of conduct from admins or headmins is anything even remotely acceptable. Because it's not.
Except when it is acceptable. And this is totally one of those cases.
Unironically yes. You provided transparency as to what went on, took accountability for your part, and quelled concerns about admin misconduct by providing a reasonable answer.
Let's boil this down:Boot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:28 pmReally? It all just boils down to fuck the gays eh? You don't think that the parents of the swimmers who got stomped out by Lia Thomas have any legitimate concern? Parents finding estrogen being sold to their kids with the instructions to "keep out of reach of parents" or being taught to melt plastic bags to make at home are just upset about LGB? The constant talk about "There's a trans genocide they're coming for us they hate us all" ends up with one depopulating an elementary school but anyone who brings that up must just hate the gays right?Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:01 pmThat's cool and all MSO, but your particular understanding of what it means doesn't really matter, because it all really boils down to one thing: anti-LGBT sentiment. The majority of conservatives think that the LGBT is forcing the youth to become part of the community (which is obviously not true, but that doesn't really matter to them). So in order to "protect the children", in the case of the US, a worrying amount of anti-trans legislation has been passed over the last few years, which further marginalize a group that is already being discriminated against.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:17 pm "Transgender ideology" means a lot of things to a lot of people and trying to strawman all usages to be the same as the worst usage you've seen is some peak sjw ideology shit.
For instance, to me, transgender ideology is bullying Dave Chappelle's transgender friend into suicide because she was friends with him. It's caring more about some jokes about "chicks with dicks" than Ron DeSantis, than having to clarify that people like him are """actual""" fascists because you wore the word so thin. It's trying to cancel contrapoints, a trans women youtuber because she ate at the same table as shoe0nhead.
Because it's not a pawlitics uwu issue, it's a human rights issue. Saying "I disagree with the trannies" does turn you into a bigot, especially if it's worded out like that.
This wouldn't be much of an issue if you were more transparent in what you actually support, since you act as the devil's advocate of the server. It's problematic that you rush to defend abhorrent people and get all defensive when we start asking questions about your beliefs.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:48 pm It's actually because of my experience with discussions like that that I chose not to continue discussing this.
I know you people are a brick wall to argue with, use emotional reactions instead of rationality, will dogpile exactly like you did, and will argue in bad faith trying to twist my words like you were preparing to do before I walked away and MSO called you and Vekter out on it. You tried to bait me into defending something highly controversial that isn't even my position just because I used the appellant's own words when talking about the appellant's own thoughts.