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Capsandi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:23 am

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:18 am Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

I think its sort of fucked up to do so im going to snitch, dirk_mcblade routinely emptyquotes you and deletes his posts just 2 fuck with you

Capsandi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:23 am

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:18 am Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

I think its sort of fucked up to do so im going to snitch, dirk_mcblade routinely emptyquotes you and deletes his posts just 2 fuck with you

Capsandi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:23 am

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:18 am Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

I think its sort of fucked up to do so im going to snitch, dirk_mcblade routinely emptyquotes you and deletes his posts just 2 fuck with you

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:16 am viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35286

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:15 am

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:16 am viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35286

Hi could you explain to me the reasoning behind your thread title

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:18 am

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:15 am

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:16 am viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35286

Hi could you explain to me the reasoning behind your thread title

he sprited the now-soon-to-be-replaced crates

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:18 am Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

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Prussen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:29 pm

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:18 am Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

Timonk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:50 pm

Prussen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:29 pm

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:18 am Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

they removed you from the game too

Prussen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:56 pm

Timonk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:50 pm

Prussen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:29 pm

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:18 am Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

they removed you from the game too

Really? I hadn't figured that out let me go check, thanks for the heads up

Timonk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:40 pm

Prussen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:56 pm

Timonk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:50 pm

Prussen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:29 pm

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:18 am Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

they removed you from the game too

Really? I hadn't figured that out let me go check, thanks for the heads up

yea kinda fucked up how you told an admin to kill themselves

Chadley wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:55 pm I lost a bet to Keith about this ban, thank God he doesn't have the memory nor ability to cash in on it anymore.

oranges wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:24 pm

Chadley wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:55 pm I lost a bet to Keith about this ban, thank God he doesn't have the memory nor ability to cash in on it anymore.

what was the bet

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:33 pm This is going to be a mess of thoughts so I'ma spoil it:

Spoiler:

I am a bit bummed that Viro left because it's clear they had dedication
I just don't think their color scheme or designs fit the rest of TG well
it's a shame they never really adjusted them because Viro's sprites can look good on TG with the right tweaks

Viro was 100% baiting people with the github thing
at the same time people have been incredibly hostile towards Viro
simultaneously Viro has been intentionally inflammatory and hostile
I am unsure who started it first but it's pretty clear both sides weren't going to budge, ever
I am unsure if Viro actually got special treatment as they were a regular contributor, but from a players perspective it looked like it due to the extremely fast merging of the crates + the merging of the cargo recolor + redesign when they didn't even recolor everything
this, combined with Viro acting like gods gift to the earth whenever a PR got merged, being incredibly condescending towards players, and the design/coloring change that most of their resprites brought, led to them being detested by a lot of people

their behavior towards Moff was far out of line
Moffs comments could be taken as being condescending, but I am 100% sure they meant well
Moffs thing about the color theory is understandably insulting from the perspective of an experienced spriter but I do not imagine they knew Viro was an experienced spriter, and I imagine they would have left such a comment on anyone's PR
at the same time TG is filled to the brim with full on aggressive to the point that people interpret being overly polite and stepping on eggshells to be a slight against them
Viro has a fragile ego and anything but praise gets them spitting acid, especially from users who haven't sprited, have sprited less than them, or aren't a spritetainer or sprite buddy.

the doxxing thing is important to understand in context because Viro didn't full on say to Moff "Be lucky I don't doxx like I used to", as Moff had long since left the sprite channel, they were talking to their spriter buddies
at the same time talking about doxxing at all, and especially stating that you had done it in the past to people who pissed you off is INCREDIBLY stupid, especially within such a short timespan of ranting against a person and insulting them repeatedly

it's a cultural norm at this point for contributors look down at the pl*yers and for the players to look down at the c*ders/sp*rters
both of these attitudes are self defeating, destructive, and toxic
I really wish the administration on both sides would try and clamp down on this, but I am unsure how it could be done
people posting "viro is gone" celebration pics frustrated me to be honest

I wish players were less toxic towards contributors
I wish contributors were less toxic and demeaning to players
I wish people would actually have good faith debates as opposed to both sides acting like fucking idiots
I wish we had old mosins back and old cargo back tbh

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:21 am Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:52 am

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:21 am Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad.

This is exactly why he got mad.

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:40 am

CPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:52 am

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:21 am Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad.

This is exactly why he got mad.

again if I had to put money on what line broke the camel's back it was probably the one where Moff (intentionally or not) said that Viro should practice color theory more or something.

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:49 am I am personally of the opinion that telling the guy who constantly uses Colour Theory in arguments against people, that he should study Colour Theory more, is fucking hilarious.

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:40 am

CPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:52 am

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:21 am Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad.

This is exactly why he got mad.

again if I had to put money on what line broke the camel's back it was probably the one where Moff (intentionally or not) said that Viro should practice color theory more or something.

Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:27 pm
It doesn't, but most of what Viro was doing that was reprehensible occurred on the Discord and not the GIthub. They were warned by a maintainer for rage-baiting in the PR title/body and they fixed that part.

It would be like us banning someone from the servers for being a dickhead on the forums.

Higgin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:28 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:27 pm
It doesn't, but most of what Viro was doing that was reprehensible occurred on the Discord and not the GIthub. They were warned by a maintainer for rage-baiting in the PR title/body and they fixed that part.

It would be like us banning someone from the servers for being a dickhead on the forums.

our consensus back on Bubberstation was that if you did something serious and shitty enough to cop a perma from any game space, we'd ban you from all of them - some people might just not be able to function well in one setting or the other, might get along well enough if you just take away their ability to post, but in a lot of cases whatever you'd done to cop a perma was dispositive enough of a terrible attitude towards other community members that it would be unfair to risk subjecting the community to it anywhere.

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

Higgin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:28 pm
our consensus back on Bubberstation was that if you did something serious and shitty enough to cop a perma from any game space, we'd ban you from all of them - some people might just not be able to function well in one setting or the other, might get along well enough if you just take away their ability to post, but in a lot of cases whatever you'd done to cop a perma was dispositive enough of a terrible attitude towards other community members that it would be unfair to risk subjecting the community to it anywhere.

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:19 am

Higgin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:28 pm
our consensus back on Bubberstation was that if you did something serious and shitty enough to cop a perma from any game space, we'd ban you from all of them - some people might just not be able to function well in one setting or the other, might get along well enough if you just take away their ability to post, but in a lot of cases whatever you'd done to cop a perma was dispositive enough of a terrible attitude towards other community members that it would be unfair to risk subjecting the community to it anywhere.

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

Separation between codebase and server is absolute (sorta). We are different groups, it's just the admins let us bum on their couch (discord).
The decision is up to different people, who make decisions for different reasons. Frankly the doxxing part of this ban is bs, what holds water is viro being a dick, and he's said he won't do that on the repo currently, so why ban him?

Higgin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:28 pm

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:07 am

Higgin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:28 pm

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

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Bmon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:18 am Man has only played a total of ten rounds on TG. What the fuck?