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Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:31 pm
by Vekter

Bottom post of the previous page:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35376

More "people doing stupid shit because they don't like the map". Even if they didn't actually do it, I think this falls under the "giving someone a bomb and telling them not to set it off" precedents.

E: Also why the flying fuck does Birdshot start with a gorilla cube box in maints

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:19 pm
by Archie700
Also, mob gorillas take a lot of punishment (it started at 220 HP), can delimb with a punch (crippling attacks) and can wallstun.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:27 pm
by Bawhoppennn
Vekter don't be lame, you know the whole point of Birdboat, and now Birdshot, is to be a deathtrap. The map has already been sanitized to high water in terms of safety, don't scrub it any more please. Just put them in a wall or something. Or if you don't want it to be an every round occurence, make it an effect spawner where it's like a 50% chance of spawning. If someone spawns gorillas when they shouldn't, they can get a good ban just like if they use a gold slime core when they shouldn't.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:38 pm
by Vekter
Bawhoppennn wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:27 pm Vekter don't be lame, you know the whole point of Birdboat, and now Birdshot, is to be a deathtrap. The map has already been sanitized to high water in terms of safety, don't scrub it any more please. Just put them in a wall or something. Or if you don't want it to be an every round occurence, make it an effect spawner where it's like a 50% chance of spawning. If someone spawns gorillas when they shouldn't, they can get a good ban just like if they use a gold slime core when they shouldn't.
Archie700 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:19 pm Also, mob gorillas take a lot of punishment (it started at 220 HP), can delimb with a punch (crippling attacks) and can wallstun.
No, I'm removing it and I'll put something else interesting in its place. Players shouldn't have roundstart access to a 220 hp mob that can fuck someone up by looking at them. Birdboat can be a death trap all it wants, that death should be something a player experiences organically, not something another player has to do for the sole purpose of grief.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:56 pm
by Jacquerel
We don't normally like any but the most trivial of traitor uplink items to exist in space ruins let alone in an easily accessed area of a station map

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:24 pm
by zergking
Vekter wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:34 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:28 pm
Vekter wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:53 pm
dendydoom wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:49 pm if we remove secret fun from the map because it's discovered we should put something else in and not tell anyone >:)
I intend to. I'm definitely removing this because apparently it spawns in fucking public tool storage.

Need suggestions. Someone said a bee cube or super pointy tape, I'm thinking those sound good.
FERAL CATS
I CAN'T CODE THE FUCKING CAT GRENADES BECAUSE CATS HAVEN'T BEEN MADE SIMPLE MOBS YET AND MY SMOOTH WET CAVEMAN BRAIN CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT
Rabbit cube

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:38 pm
by GPeckman
Vekter wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:34 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:28 pm FERAL CATS
I CAN'T CODE THE FUCKING CAT GRENADES BECAUSE CATS HAVEN'T BEEN MADE SIMPLE MOBS YET AND MY SMOOTH WET CAVEMAN BRAIN CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT
I don't think it should actually matter whether or not its a simplemob or basicmob.

If gorilla cubes are like this:

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/obj/item/food/monkeycube/gorilla
	name = "gorilla cube"
	desc = "A Waffle Co. brand gorilla cube. Now with extra molecules!"
	bite_consumption = 20
	food_reagents = list(
		/datum/reagent/monkey_powder = 30,
		/datum/reagent/medicine/strange_reagent = 5,
	)
	tastes = list("the jungle" = 1, "bananas" = 1, "jimmies" = 1)
	spawned_mob = /mob/living/basic/gorilla
Then just doing

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spawned_mob = /mob/living/simple_animal/pet/cat
would make it spawn cats. They probably wouldn't actually be hostile though.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:55 pm
by Vekter
GPeckman wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:38 pm :words:
There's a specific item from Bee (I think) that's a grenade that spawns multiple feral cats that go apeshit and chase down whoever's nearby. They're hilarious and I want to port it to /tg/, but they use simplemob cats, which we don't have yet. I'm not so much a coder as I am a caveman smashing pieces of code together not unlike rocks, so the best I can do is wait for someone to make cats a simplemob then port the existing code.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:37 pm
by chocolate_bickie
Vekter wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:55 pm
GPeckman wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:38 pm :words:
There's a specific item from Bee (I think) that's a grenade that spawns multiple feral cats that go apeshit and chase down whoever's nearby. They're hilarious and I want to port it to /tg/, but they use simplemob cats, which we don't have yet. I'm not so much a coder as I am a caveman smashing pieces of code together not unlike rocks, so the best I can do is wait for someone to make cats a simplemob then port the existing code.
Can't you just spawn a gorilla with the sprite of a cat?

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:24 pm
by Vekter
chocolate_bickie wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:37 pm
Vekter wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:55 pm
GPeckman wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:38 pm :words:
There's a specific item from Bee (I think) that's a grenade that spawns multiple feral cats that go apeshit and chase down whoever's nearby. They're hilarious and I want to port it to /tg/, but they use simplemob cats, which we don't have yet. I'm not so much a coder as I am a caveman smashing pieces of code together not unlike rocks, so the best I can do is wait for someone to make cats a simplemob then port the existing code.
Can't you just spawn a gorilla with the sprite of a cat?
The AI and stats are different.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:31 pm
by TheRex9001
Vekter wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:55 pm
GPeckman wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:38 pm :words:
There's a specific item from Bee (I think) that's a grenade that spawns multiple feral cats that go apeshit and chase down whoever's nearby. They're hilarious and I want to port it to /tg/, but they use simplemob cats, which we don't have yet. I'm not so much a coder as I am a caveman smashing pieces of code together not unlike rocks, so the best I can do is wait for someone to make cats a simplemob then port the existing code.
Cats are simplemobs

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:37 pm
by Vekter
TheRex9001 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:31 pm
Vekter wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:55 pm
GPeckman wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:38 pm :words:
There's a specific item from Bee (I think) that's a grenade that spawns multiple feral cats that go apeshit and chase down whoever's nearby. They're hilarious and I want to port it to /tg/, but they use simplemob cats, which we don't have yet. I'm not so much a coder as I am a caveman smashing pieces of code together not unlike rocks, so the best I can do is wait for someone to make cats a simplemob then port the existing code.
Cats are simplemobs
They weren't last time I checked, it's possible they were recently changed. I'll look into it.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:44 pm
by Jacquerel
The problem is that you keep saying "simple mob" when you mean "basic mob"
I think the PR to make them into basic mobs was merged literally today

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:15 pm
by Vekter
Jacquerel wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:44 pm The problem is that you keep saying "simple mob" when you mean "basic mob"
I think the PR to make them into basic mobs was merged literally today
Yes, thank you, I'm an idiot

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:28 pm
by Itseasytosee2me
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Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:33 pm
by Jacquerel
we're almost done killing the `simple_animal` type actually, the easy gbp is leaving
we need to invent Normal Mobs asap

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:51 pm
by iwishforducks
ok but could we not have called it like basic2 or something to at least indicate that they're better than simple? i keep getting the two mixed up constantly

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:20 am
by GPeckman
Easy gbp is a bit of an exaggeration. Basicmob refactors are almost always pretty complex. If you want easy gbp, just find a few easy bugs to fix. Those are easier and will likely never run out.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:28 am
by Jacquerel
GPeckman wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:20 am Easy gbp is a bit of an exaggeration. Basicmob refactors are almost always pretty complex. If you want easy gbp, just find a few easy bugs to fix. Those are easier and will likely never run out.
I mean I know I personally did a significant number of them
The real joke is that it's a gbp farm purely for me and ben10omintrix

A lot of them were really smooth for the record we just got artsy with others and now there's no easy ones left

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:31 am
by MooCow12
Jacquerel wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:56 pm We don't normally like any but the most trivial of traitor uplink items to exist in space ruins let alone in an easily accessed area of a station map
Throwing weapons box

Contraband locker


Neither of those are trivial and are often powergamed due to being exceptionally powerful roundstart available weapons allowing you to basically remove an antag or two from the round with overwhelming firepower.


They just arn't (guaranteed) to spawn but the chance is relatively high.

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:39 am
by RedBaronFlyer
the gorillas were the highlight of every birdshot round tbh, now it's just a shit map (BUT IRONICALLY GUYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOGSHIT GET IT? HAHAHA! IT'S SUPPOSED TO SUCK!)

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:53 am
by TheBibleMelts
:sad: i liked the gorilla cubes being there

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:53 am
by zergking
RedBaronFlyer wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:39 am the gorillas were the highlight of every birdshot round tbh, now it's just a shit map (BUT IRONICALLY GUYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOGSHIT GET IT? HAHAHA! IT'S SUPPOSED TO SUCK!)
Cope about it in your box

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:14 am
by saprasam
i think gorillas in earshot of somebody using the smile emote should enter rage mode
you know, to tear their face off

Re: Monkey Business by Proxy

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:36 pm
by Dax Dupont
The real problem is birdshot, we should permaban it instead