/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:18 pm**

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Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:46 am**

oranges wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:42 am i've been able to time them out a couple of times

Let us look at the evidence, your Honor...

► Show Spoiler

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:50 am**

can i time out prussen too

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:05 am**

okay but on the topic what the hell are you supposed to do if an admin posts something wildly uncomfortable / borderline porn? or has a habit of doing so? there's been more than a few admins recently but idk who to talk to about it because i dont want to come off as concern trolling/being a whiny baby. admin complaint? admin feedback thread? @'ing the discord jannies? but idk @'ing the discord jannies can be a bit of a gamble. but what if i think this kind of behavior should be brought to the headmins themselves? cause i think someone's ability to not post uncomfortable things should heavily factor into their admincy. whatever. been racking my brain on what steps i should take because IDK what would be the best tbh. sorry this is kinda a brain dump because this has been bugging me like crazy for the past month (it's also why i don't use the discord very often)

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:16 am**

he got swept up in the bandwagon and said some dumb shit, just let he go

also there is incest in the coffin game it's one of the routes, it also has you murder your parents and the latest chapter ends with the bro and sis in bed together. just putting that out there for those who do not know.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:21 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:38 am
datorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:11 am
cSeal wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:30 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:03 pm Including, but not limited to, harassing other members (including an administrator) for enjoying a game they found objectionable. I'm not going to pull up every instance of it but you can just search their name.
looking, its all complaining about the spam (valid, considering the people doing it have literally admitted they partly do it to annoy people who find it uncomfortable) and one-

okay yeah admittedly this looks a little bad, I could see this factoring in
What the fuck even drives people to say this?
this, probably

NSFW:
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Related
Cannibal - Tally Hall
People Eater - Sodikken
Kiss Me (Kill Me) - JerryTerry & JuKayVid

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:24 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:05 am okay but on the topic what the hell are you supposed to do if an admin posts something wildly uncomfortable / borderline porn? or has a habit of doing so? there's been more than a few admins recently but idk who to talk to about it because i dont want to come off as concern trolling/being a whiny baby. admin complaint? admin feedback thread? @'ing the discord jannies? but idk @'ing the discord jannies can be a bit of a gamble. but what if i think this kind of behavior should be brought to the headmins themselves? cause i think someone's ability to not post uncomfortable things should heavily factor into their admincy. whatever. been racking my brain on what steps i should take because IDK what would be the best tbh. sorry this is kinda a brain dump because this has been bugging me like crazy for the past month (it's also why i don't use the discord very often)

one andy and leyley post away from self-destructing

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:24 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:05 am okay but on the topic what the hell are you supposed to do if an admin posts something wildly uncomfortable / borderline porn? or has a habit of doing so? there's been more than a few admins recently but idk who to talk to about it because i dont want to come off as concern trolling/being a whiny baby. admin complaint? admin feedback thread? @'ing the discord jannies? but idk @'ing the discord jannies can be a bit of a gamble. but what if i think this kind of behavior should be brought to the headmins themselves? cause i think someone's ability to not post uncomfortable things should heavily factor into their admincy. whatever. been racking my brain on what steps i should take because IDK what would be the best tbh. sorry this is kinda a brain dump because this has been bugging me like crazy for the past month (it's also why i don't use the discord very often)

Ahelp it.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:30 am**

Oh also see:
Bones and All
Under the Skin
for related movie material.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:05 am okay but on the topic what the hell are you supposed to do if an admin posts something wildly uncomfortable / borderline porn? or has a habit of doing so? there's been more than a few admins recently but idk who to talk to about it because i dont want to come off as concern trolling/being a whiny baby. admin complaint? admin feedback thread? @'ing the discord jannies? but idk @'ing the discord jannies can be a bit of a gamble. but what if i think this kind of behavior should be brought to the headmins themselves? cause i think someone's ability to not post uncomfortable things should heavily factor into their admincy. whatever. been racking my brain on what steps i should take because IDK what would be the best tbh. sorry this is kinda a brain dump because this has been bugging me like crazy for the past month (it's also why i don't use the discord very often)

Just block them dawg.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:34 am**

Now that I think about it a cannibal alien antagonist would be pretty dope.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:37 am**

dragomagol wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 am
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:05 am okay but on the topic what the hell are you supposed to do if an admin posts something wildly uncomfortable / borderline porn? or has a habit of doing so? there's been more than a few admins recently but idk who to talk to about it because i dont want to come off as concern trolling/being a whiny baby. admin complaint? admin feedback thread? @'ing the discord jannies? but idk @'ing the discord jannies can be a bit of a gamble. but what if i think this kind of behavior should be brought to the headmins themselves? cause i think someone's ability to not post uncomfortable things should heavily factor into their admincy. whatever. been racking my brain on what steps i should take because IDK what would be the best tbh. sorry this is kinda a brain dump because this has been bugging me like crazy for the past month (it's also why i don't use the discord very often)
Just block them dawg.

bro i do and then half of the discord is just blocked messages it's so annoying. it's even worse when people take the bait or interact with it because then i open up blocked messages to see what people are vaguely talking about and then get hit with Cat Girl Blushing Doing Weird Face While Getting Pet

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:00 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:05 am okay but on the topic what the hell are you supposed to do if an admin posts something wildly uncomfortable / borderline porn? or has a habit of doing so? there's been more than a few admins recently but idk who to talk to about it because i dont want to come off as concern trolling/being a whiny baby. admin complaint? admin feedback thread? @'ing the discord jannies? but idk @'ing the discord jannies can be a bit of a gamble. but what if i think this kind of behavior should be brought to the headmins themselves? cause i think someone's ability to not post uncomfortable things should heavily factor into their admincy. whatever. been racking my brain on what steps i should take because IDK what would be the best tbh. sorry this is kinda a brain dump because this has been bugging me like crazy for the past month (it's also why i don't use the discord very often)

That gif is not even remotely close to porn, what? We could probably ask that they spoiler it if it makes you that uncomfortable, but it's not anywhere near it.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:13 am**

feels like more times than that.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:37 am**

yeah i got nothing. oranges just kinda landed it perfectly there lol

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:40 am**

Oh damn I didn't know that game was like actually a borderline inscest plot, I was under the impression it was just the cannibalisms thing being an allegory for incest. Hot fucking damn.

You know, normally I would be compelled to defend this with like "It's a horror game! Uncomfortable themes are a core aspect" but if your main community is feverously devoted to the cuteness of an incest relationship I think you probably went a step wrong somewhere, and that's my generous interpretation.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:45 am**

Question for the people roleplaying that funeral for talon. You decided to hold a funeral for a permabanned player. That's improv, roleplay, whatever. I wouldn't personally care that much to do it but you can do you. Now that talons unbanned, what exactly is your IC take now? He came back from the dead? Space Jesus? Are you going to follow him around like you're the apostles now?
I dunno, if someone showed up after we buried them that would seem pretty significant, a less frequent occurrence than people successfully appealing permabans.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:50 am**

dragomagol wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 am Just block them dawg.

"just block the admins" is not a helpful response; if you block an admin and they can't reach you, you're just gonna get banned and made to go to the forums.

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:45 am Question for the people roleplaying that funeral for talon. You decided to hold a funeral for a permabanned player. That's improv, roleplay, whatever. I wouldn't personally care that much to do it but you can do you. Now that talons unbanned, what exactly is your IC take now? He came back from the dead? Space Jesus? Are you going to follow him around like you're the apostles now?
I dunno, if someone showed up after we buried them that would seem pretty significant, a less frequent occurrence than people successfully appealing permabans.

i wasn't a part of the funeral, but it's really easy to rationalize. "HOLY SHIT WE THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!"

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:58 am**

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:50 am
dragomagol wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 am Just block them dawg.
"just block the admins" is not a helpful response; if you block an admin and they can't reach you, you're just gonna get banned and made to go to the forums.

For god's sake, you're not going to be banned from the game just because you blocked the person on discord.

Most admins don't even have adminstrative powers on discord except maybe 10m timeouts

If there was ever such a case where someone blocked an admin and they had to handle an ingame case on discord, then most likely it would just be passed to another admin

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:35 am**

conrad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:10 pm This is a peanut thread. It's where we throw peanuts at the appeal from the gallery.

The peanut doesn't matter, or at least shouldn't matter.

The only reason peanuts exist is because allowing a place for people to post their (mostly) unfiltered opinions about administrative action in a sanctioned place where responses can be made and issues and concerns addressed is important. If it just becomes a place for people to spew stupid pointless mean posts then we should just delete the players club again and ban nut threads altogether

conrad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:10 pm My peanut is that the intent of the appeal doesn't address the reason for the ban. The core of the permaban is the kys directed at Justice, which he addressed with a ten foot pole. It's not sucking admin dick to feel remorseful over telling someone to kill themselves.

sure, this is reasonable thing to draw from the appeal and im not saying it isnt, which is why i didnt try to discredit the sections of your previous posts saying things to this effect

conrad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:10 pmYou should chill dude. Your own speech is being inflamatory and your own high horse is made of wood.

minus a few fuckings thrown in there (which is honestly just my natural speech bleeding in, whoops) I think ive been pretty non inflammatory, and just tried to lay out my issue with certain lines of reasoning i dislike, sorry if its come across as anything else

dragomagol wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 am Just block them dawg.

blocking someone whos active in a discord only serves to keep you out of being able to understand a third of all conversations. its a shit solution, and its miserable to have to do just because someone keeps spamming something they know makes people uncomfortable, partially because it makes people uncomfortable

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:53 am**

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:45 am Question for the people roleplaying that funeral for talon. You decided to hold a funeral for a permabanned player. That's improv, roleplay, whatever. I wouldn't personally care that much to do it but you can do you. Now that talons unbanned, what exactly is your IC take now? He came back from the dead? Space Jesus? Are you going to follow him around like you're the apostles now?
I dunno, if someone showed up after we buried them that would seem pretty significant, a less frequent occurrence than people successfully appealing permabans.

He wasn't actually killed and it was a clone

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:22 am**

Alright that's all pretty good

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:36 am**

not thinking deep enough. talen was never killed. it was an inside job by a syndicate implant that sought to sow distrust and chaos among the company by kidnapping talen and framing central command for the murder. by the time central had cut the ropes of talen, many employees had already began storming the gates of central. according to the official Nanotrasen records, many vigilantes had "shouted obscenities before opening up their oxygen tanks to their mouths, exploding in a pile of gibs" as well as being placed on permanent "temporary standby for cloning"

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:48 am**

Its amazing how easy it is to bait people by posting about the coffin game apparently .

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:03 am**

i could go for a large pizza rn

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:10 am**

cSeal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:35 am
conrad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:10 pm This is a peanut thread. It's where we throw peanuts at the appeal from the gallery.

The peanut doesn't matter, or at least shouldn't matter.
The only reason peanuts exist is because allowing a place for people to post their (mostly) unfiltered opinions about administrative action in a sanctioned place where responses can be made and issues and concerns addressed is important. If it just becomes a place for people to spew stupid pointless mean posts then we should just delete the players club again and ban nut threads altogether

conrad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:10 pm My peanut is that the intent of the appeal doesn't address the reason for the ban. The core of the permaban is the kys directed at Justice, which he addressed with a ten foot pole. It's not sucking admin dick to feel remorseful over telling someone to kill themselves.
sure, this is reasonable thing to draw from the appeal and im not saying it isnt, which is why i didnt try to discredit the sections of your previous posts saying things to this effect

conrad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:10 pmYou should chill dude. Your own speech is being inflamatory and your own high horse is made of wood.
minus a few fuckings thrown in there (which is honestly just my natural speech bleeding in, whoops) I think ive been pretty non inflammatory, and just tried to lay out my issue with certain lines of reasoning i dislike, sorry if its come across as anything else

dragomagol wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 am Just block them dawg.
blocking someone whos active in a discord only serves to keep you out of being able to understand a third of all conversations. its a shit solution, and its miserable to have to do just because someone keeps spamming something they know makes people uncomfortable, partially because it makes people uncomfortable

Remember when the moz monster made admins uncomfortable so they got a three day ban but because it's something that is only making a group of players uncomfortable it's totally fine. Welcome to the way it has been, and always will be.

One group is fine to do w/e and the other is flarped and stuck and I've been seeing multiple cases of rules not being enforced on the admins in the discord recently and it's a bit of a LOL moment

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:11 am**

Fikou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:03 am i could go for a large pizza rn

I just had some left over pizza actually, pepperoni and-

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What the fuck was that? did you guys hear that?

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:36 am**

Justice12354 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:20 am Now that we're on the second appeal that I think has a chance of getting upheld and Kieth obviously learned a total of dogshit with his ban, I'm gonna give my peanut on these permabans:

Untrue really. I will not repeat this incident and will be careful with what I say in regards to the environment and targeting of an ooc entity. however, I have always been an advocate for being able to say kill yourself in an ic context. Obviously ooc targeting is too far, there's nothing to say here. I should not have been around to engage with that aspect.

Yet I've never understood why kill yourself (which is something I've used a good amount up to my ban from which I'm trying to not use again) is such a point of contention. You can tell someone to die, you can tell someone you're going to bash their skull against a walk until it bursts. Jump into space, gib yourself ect. But only kill yourself gets you flarped up.

I'm really not sure what else you want me to learn/do here, engaging in an activity where ppl are oocly targeting someone is bad and I should avoid it in the future.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:47 am**

cSeal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:11 am
Fikou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:03 am i could go for a large pizza rn
I just had some left over pizza actually, pepperoni and-

ˢⁿʳʳʳʳᵏ

What the fuck was that? did you guys hear that?

i feel like... im entering the animal repository.......

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:32 am**

cSeal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:11 am
Fikou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:03 am i could go for a large pizza rn
I just had some left over pizza actually, pepperoni and-

ˢⁿʳʳʳʳᵏ

What the fuck was that? did you guys hear that?

I could be bribed to make some pizza dough and churn out some pepperoni rolls. My beloved snack of choice that takes 6 hours to prepare.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:52 am**

prussen is a really annoying and infuriating person to interact with and i have them blocked but eh still reduce this ban to at maximum a month or something

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:53 am**

Armhulen wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:29 am

bros... prussen.... sniff... told me this game had incense or something... and it wasnt... sniff...

seriously for what people say about this game i was not expecting the summary to mention cannibalism

This game is actually good as shit, amazing writing, terrible characters, i want them all to die painfully (this is a positive)

And for those worried about the incest:
- It is shown as an inherently bad thing in one of the "bad" endings
- It actually doesn't even happen
- Not the worst thing the two have done

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:01 am**

DATAxPUNGED wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:53 am And for those worried about the incest:
- It is shown as an inherently bad thing in one of the "bad" endings
- It actually doesn't even happen
- Not the worst thing the two have done

Its shown that way, but its glorified and obsessed over by the developer and the fandom, to the point of hiring artists to ship them together.
Fuck, even in the death scene where she is decapitated the sister still has a stupid fucking tongue out eyes rolled back face
its painfully fucking obvious if you play the game that it isnt uncomfortable for horror its just the developers fetish

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:05 am**

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:05 am okay but on the topic what the hell are you supposed to do if an admin posts something wildly uncomfortable / borderline porn? or has a habit of doing so? there's been more than a few admins recently but idk who to talk to about it because i dont want to come off as concern trolling/being a whiny baby. admin complaint? admin feedback thread? @'ing the discord jannies? but idk @'ing the discord jannies can be a bit of a gamble. but what if i think this kind of behavior should be brought to the headmins themselves? cause i think someone's ability to not post uncomfortable things should heavily factor into their admincy. whatever. been racking my brain on what steps i should take because IDK what would be the best tbh. sorry this is kinda a brain dump because this has been bugging me like crazy for the past month (it's also why i don't use the discord very often)

Put every bit of porn they post into their feedback thread

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:05 am**

finally we're onto "is depiction glorification?" "is this specific depiction glorification?" "are you actually a pervert for reading the text that way?" "are you a pervert for NOT reading the text that way?"
this is just like tumblr dot com

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:08 am**

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:01 am
DATAxPUNGED wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:53 am snip
Its shown that way, but its glorified and obsessed over by the developer and the fandom, to the point of hiring artists to ship them together.
Fuck, even in the death scene where she is decapitated the sister still has a stupid fucking tongue out eyes rolled back face
its painfully fucking obvious if you play the game that it isnt uncomfortable for horror its just the developers fetish

I *did* play the game, but if the dev hired artists to ship them then this is really unfortunate
Although i definitely missed something because i didn't see him actually killing her? It was implied he was gonna do that but the chapter ends before the resolution

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:13 am**

DATAxPUNGED wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:08 am
kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:01 am
DATAxPUNGED wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:53 am snip
Its shown that way, but its glorified and obsessed over by the developer and the fandom, to the point of hiring artists to ship them together.
Fuck, even in the death scene where she is decapitated the sister still has a stupid fucking tongue out eyes rolled back face
its painfully fucking obvious if you play the game that it isnt uncomfortable for horror its just the developers fetish
I *did* play the game, but if the dev hired artists to ship them then this is really unfortunate
Although i definitely missed something because i didn't see him actually killing her? It was implied he was gonna do that but the chapter ends before the resolution

i played the game for 2 hours and kept hoping it would get better but it just kept getting worse
my breaking point was a scene where it shows her like partially decapitated and she was making a fucking ahegao face and i just left and got a refund
i wish i could get a picture for you but im in a workplace and refuse to pollute the search history or risk being seen looking at this game

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:39 am**

honestly i do find it frustrating when an admin will taunt people by posting the coffin game in super obvious bait and not get punished at all; next time i see it im just going to ping discord jannies

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:54 am**

ive had good faith discussions with taxfraud and i dont hold any hatred for them but it is kinda coocoo bananas that they can blatantly state that they enjoy seeing people uncomfortable and angry about it, post the most uncomfortable content you could derive from that game around people who have repeatedly said they find it uncomfortable, and then snarkmins will come out of the woodworks if you complain to say "ERM you fucking illiterate DIPSHIT it actually says on the steam page that this game is about EATING PEOPLE WHY ARENT YOU MENTIONING THAT HUH WHY ARE YOU HUNG UP ON THE INCEST!!!!?!??!?! FUCKING PEARL CLUTCHER!!!" completely ignoring the fact that all the posts presented in the discord is shit like this over and over

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:08 pm**

cSeal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:54 am ive had good faith discussions with taxfraud and i dont hold any hatred for them but it is kinda coocoo bananas that they can blatantly state that they enjoy seeing people uncomfortable and angry about it, post the most uncomfortable content you could derive from that game around people who have repeatedly said they find it uncomfortable, and then snarkmins will come out of the woodworks if you complain to say "ERM you fucking illiterate DIPSHIT it actually says on the steam page that this game is about EATING PEOPLE WHY ARENT YOU MENTIONING THAT HUH WHY ARE YOU HUNG UP ON THE INCEST!!!!?!??!?! FUCKING PEARL CLUTCHER!!!" completely ignoring the fact that all the posts presented in the discord is shit like this over and over

100% agree here... I'm a free speech absolutist myself. I think everything should be down for posting so it's not the act of posting that pisses me off kinda, but it's just the posting is fine but the backlash isn't? This feels really fucking shit. Especially when admins defend their posts then the backlash is like owned.

Feels reaalllllllly shitty.

This is OBVIOUSLY referencing the incest that makes people uncomfortable but yet people will go " erm it's not an incest game why are you brining this up?" (No backlash allowed)

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:26 pm**

kieth4 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:36 am Yet I've never understood why kill yourself (which is something I've used a good amount up to my ban from which I'm trying to not use again) is such a point of contention. You can tell someone to die, you can tell someone you're going to bash their skull against a walk until it bursts. Jump into space, gib yourself ect. But only kill yourself gets you flarped up.

The first one is murder in a game with murder as a central point. Unless I'm mistaken, aside from tot with 2 steal objectives, every single antag is gonna murder at some point. In the past someone argued about being told they're gonna be murdered and that made them uncomfortable, and the sad truth was that they would then need to play some other game. One without murder.

You can't jump into space or gib yourself IRL (I mean you can do the latter but it's highly unlikely). Contrast with telling someone to "jump off a building". Sure, it's OOC since there are no buildings in SS13 (unless you count perhaps jumping from F-2 to F-0 in North Star, which hardly kills you), so no one is gonna say that. But it would hit closer to home. (I know it does for me)

Telling someone to jump off a building or "kill yourself" is the type of thing that a mentally unhealthy person can take beyond the IC character. It takes no effort to not tell someone to kill themselves. No effort is a lot less effort than advocating for it.

And frankly, on a personal note, it's reads shitty when you condemn the situation of "admins don't get punished for making someone feel uncomfortable", but gloss over telling someone to kill themselves.

E: I do wanna say tho:

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:39 am honestly i do find it frustrating when an admin will taunt people by posting the coffin game in super obvious bait and not get punished at all; next time i see it im just going to ping discord jannies

Please do. It pisses me off that there is some sort of preciousness over the admin position (even more so for the DJ which, dear lord, why are you like this) and I am fairly certain I dodged at least one warning for having a purple name.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:42 pm**

conrad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:26 pm
kieth4 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:36 am Yet I've never understood why kill yourself (which is something I've used a good amount up to my ban from which I'm trying to not use again) is such a point of contention. You can tell someone to die, you can tell someone you're going to bash their skull against a walk until it bursts. Jump into space, gib yourself ect. But only kill yourself gets you flarped up.
And frankly, on a personal note, it's reads shitty when you condemn the situation of "admins don't get punished for making someone feel uncomfortable", but gloss over telling someone to kill themselves.

Feels like you are once again being bad bad faith idk

I am condemning the largely INCONSISTENT enforcement where people are being baited into a situation and getting punished for responding negatively right? This is basically banbaiting LOL. If there was no punishment for the reactions I wouldn't care.

And I've already said what there is to say about the kill yourself stuff. I think that going out of your way to target an admin is bad- but feel free to search my logs for the other times I've said it because I have and I didn't treat as anything other than an insult.
Unless you are directly targeting people ooc it does not matter to me when I can say I'm going to chop your arms and legs off and force you to crawl around on the floor and suffer it's worse than kill yourself. In this case, it seems that he was also in the same boat of targeting CC. IDK bro what do you want me to say here

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:23 pm**

kieth4 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:42 pm Feels like you are once again being bad bad faith idk

I am really not trying to. If you feel I am, I apologize, and would request you re-structure what you said, or ignore what I said, 'cos if it looks that I am arguing in bad faith, I just misunderstood what you said.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:42 pm Unless you are directly targeting people ooc it does not matter to me when I can say I'm going to chop your arms and legs off and force you to crawl around on the floor and suffer it's worse than kill yourself. In this case, it seems that he was also in the same boat of targeting CC. IDK bro what do you want me to say here

It's not about whether it matters to you. It's about whether it matters to the person you're talking to.

Someone struggling with mental health isn't worried of getting chopped to bits on a space station. They're worried about something IRL and the though of killing themselves might've crossed their minds. Or might be crossing their minds every day. Sometimes they struggle to not think about that.

There's like, a plethora of interjections on the level of "kill yourself". Surely you can find something else.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 4:43 pm**

cSeal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:54 am ive had good faith discussions with taxfraud and i dont hold any hatred for them but it is kinda coocoo bananas that they can blatantly state that they enjoy seeing people uncomfortable and angry about it, post the most uncomfortable content you could derive from that game around people who have repeatedly said they find it uncomfortable, and then snarkmins will come out of the woodworks if you complain to say "ERM you fucking illiterate DIPSHIT it actually says on the steam page that this game is about EATING PEOPLE WHY ARENT YOU MENTIONING THAT HUH WHY ARE YOU HUNG UP ON THE INCEST!!!!?!??!?! FUCKING PEARL CLUTCHER!!!" completely ignoring the fact that all the posts presented in the discord is shit like this over and over

how do i say like calling the game an "incest porn game" is not exactly honest about what it really is and yet at the same time posting memes and images which are basically "LOOK GUYS LOOK INCEST LOOK" is also not something admins should do. Look seal. LOOK. I guess I have to be 1000% crystal clear, this post is pretty much mirrors my take on the game:

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:40 am Oh damn I didn't know that game was like actually a borderline inscest plot, I was under the impression it was just the cannibalisms thing being an allegory for incest. Hot fucking damn.

You know, normally I would be compelled to defend this with like "It's a horror game! Uncomfortable themes are a core aspect" but if your main community is feverously devoted to the cuteness of an incest relationship I think you probably went a step wrong somewhere, and that's my generous interpretation.

I don't think admins should be posting stuff that makes people uncomfortable (an unfortunately long time recurring theme) just like how we expect players to not post stuff that makes people uncomfortable. At the same time, Prussen responded in the one way that wasn't going to go anywhere by pinging them days later with a flippant ping to restart the issue in a new chat with unrelated people instead of just reporting it or going through the countless ways you could bring this up as an issue. And none of this is even related to the ban appeal, where again, I just wish he would say he got swept up with what everyone else in the chapel was saying and doing, which is far more honest and far more understandable and it avoids even having to open the can of worms that is telling ic role admins play as to commit suicide vs telling admins

and i only made that incense joke because i wanted to sneak a way in to talk about my new incense holder i just got please ask me about my new incense holder kurwa mać

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:07 pm**

Hey Armhulen I heard you got a new incense holder. What's that about? Is it like a cool dragon that breathes out smoke or one of those for sticks that have cool arts n shit?

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:08 pm**

Armhulen wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 4:43 pm At the same time, Prussen responded in the one way that wasn't going to go anywhere by pinging them days later with a flippant ping to restart the issue in a new chat with unrelated people instead of just reporting it or going through the countless ways you could bring this up as an issue.

Oh yeah for sure. I wasnt defending his behavior. But I do think its disingenuous and really shitty for people to characterize it as mean old prussen coming in and stomping on taxfrauds innocent infatuation with incest posting like it isnt multiple people being extremely shitty in the discord on purpose, and then prussen and others making stupid posts in reply rather than ask the jannies to clean up (not that i actually think the jannies would do anything about this particular mess because a lot of them seem to think theres no reason anyone should be uncomfortable with the incest spam :/)

Also sorry if my post seemed to be attacking you, your incense post was entirely fine, it even made me chuckle a little. I was referencing a few specific other incidents entirely outside of the forum when i mentioned people acting snarky by pointing out the steam description

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:47 pm**

cSeal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:08 pm
Armhulen wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 4:43 pm At the same time, Prussen responded in the one way that wasn't going to go anywhere by pinging them days later with a flippant ping to restart the issue in a new chat with unrelated people instead of just reporting it or going through the countless ways you could bring this up as an issue.
Oh yeah for sure. I wasnt defending his behavior. But I do think its disingenuous and really shitty for people to characterize it as mean old prussen coming in and stomping on taxfrauds innocent infatuation with incest posting like it isnt multiple people being extremely shitty in the discord on purpose, and then prussen and others making stupid posts in reply rather than ask the jannies to clean up (not that i actually think the jannies would do anything about this particular mess because a lot of them seem to think theres no reason anyone should be uncomfortable with the incest spam :/)

Also sorry if my post seemed to be attacking you, your incense post was entirely fine, it even made me chuckle a little. I was referencing a few specific other incidents entirely outside of the forum when i mentioned people acting snarky by pointing out the steam description

/tg/ in particular stands out as a place with a really wide overton window of acceptable posting. Goon, narrow in what is allowed, when you play there you understand immediately what's OK to post and what goes too far. It's kinda common sense. But /tg/ is different, because there are people ranging from oneyplays fans to 4chan server founders and that makes for a WIDE variety of what flies in the chat. It might be a reason this community in particular ends up having so many incidents over the years. Not to say I would narrow or shift the scope. Despite the ongoing drama spikes you get to meet so many interesting and cool folks here. It's an appeal other servers WISH they could bring.

>(not that i actually think the jannies would do anything about this particular mess because a lot of them seem to think theres no reason anyone should be uncomfortable with the incest spam :/)
It's hard for me to say for sure because of the sheer amount of cancerous tumor-growing discord gifs and images that get posted every day with 4 levels of irony and 1 jolly makeover. Personally it's water off my back and just another cancer gif in an ocean of

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but at the very least someone directly telling jannies it's a gif too far would help. i'm not die hard for people's rights to post media abominations but i could very well see the response being something like an oranges take: "you're bitchmade for complaining"

conrad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:07 pm Hey Armhulen I heard you got a new incense holder. What's that about? Is it like a cool dragon that breathes out smoke or one of those for sticks that have cool arts n shit?

blue ceramic i got from a very wonderful japantown. the sticks have a really nice refined smokey richness, slightly herbal but more like a spice road kinda vibe

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Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:51 pm**

For an immediate validation of what I mean by an endless sea of cancerous media, I scrolled through tgstation-general

Need I say more?

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:08 pm**

cSeal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:35 am
dragomagol wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 am Just block them dawg.
blocking someone whos active in a discord only serves to keep you out of being able to understand a third of all conversations. its a shit solution, and its miserable to have to do just because someone keeps spamming something they know makes people uncomfortable, partially because it makes people uncomfortable

If they are doing it deliberately to make people uncomfortable then yes, that is a problem. If you (or whoever) has evidence of someone posting something that they know makes others uncomfortable, that should be reported.

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Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:41 pm**

TCOAL mentioned OH YEYYYEYYYEYYEEEEAAAAAAAH

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:52 pm**

kieth4 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:36 am
Justice12354 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:20 am Now that we're on the second appeal that I think has a chance of getting upheld and Kieth obviously learned a total of dogshit with his ban, I'm gonna give my peanut on these permabans:
Untrue really. I will not repeat this incident and will be careful with what I say in regards to the environment and targeting of an ooc entity. however, I have always been an advocate for being able to say kill yourself in an ic context. Obviously ooc targeting is too far, there's nothing to say here. I should not have been around to engage with that aspect.

Yet I've never understood why kill yourself (which is something I've used a good amount up to my ban from which I'm trying to not use again) is such a point of contention. You can tell someone to die, you can tell someone you're going to bash their skull against a walk until it bursts. Jump into space, gib yourself ect. But only kill yourself gets you flarped up.

I'm really not sure what else you want me to learn/do here, engaging in an activity where ppl are oocly targeting someone is bad and I should avoid it in the future.

You keep missing the core of the deal, dude. If the only issue was name-dropping, you would've been instantly unbanned, as well as 5 other players. Telling someone to kill themselves ICly is allowed and that is not gonna change very soon. The (rare) issue, which was what happened, is when you got a parallel set between OOC and IC and go "Well, technically, I didn't tell the admins to kill themselves; I told centcom to kill themselves", which I'm not gonna go over again bc I already did. The technicalities don't mean crap to me if this can lead to a toxic environment and, regardless of who you mean this to be targeted towards, that's not cool. At the end of the day, what matters is not whether you meant it or not (we all know no one here actually wants other players to die), but the possible consequences your actions may lead to. I know this can feel like a huge hyperbolic, but it's not worth taking the risk when it is not uncommon at all.

Regarding the second part, from my interpretation, "kill yourself" is not a sacred sentence and any other sentences that could be translated as such would be equally treated, in an OOC environment. For instance, telling someone to gib themselves OOCly can be easily translated as "kill yourself", therefore being treated as such. I could be wrong, but at least that's how I see it and how it makes the most sense to me.

Posted: **Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:03 pm**

coffin of andy & leyley is a game
idk why in response to the backlash they posted some weird ass shit though. really makes it seem like a thing. certainly something that’s out there

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