/tg/Station 13

on the one hand
>banning because people dont want to play some shitty laggy map

on the other hand
>cringe suicide chapel on manuel

cant decide

3 days for suicide as non command but yet the punishment for suiciding as command is a jobban... ok

We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

Hmm

this is a plot to kill manuel, terry will rise

Shoutout to n00blina for posting a peanut that only served to illustrate how shitty he was.

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

550 time dilation is unplayable, at that point you need to step in and either do something like killing atmos and lighting or just force another map

If necessary ban the people who ic in ooced, to ban the people who quietly suicided is fucking stupid. If the game is unplayable don’t punish people for not wanting to play.

wesoda25 wrote:If necessary ban the people who ic in ooced, to ban the people who quietly suicided is fucking stupid. If the game is unplayable don’t punish people for not wanting to play.

my thoughts, after 3 broken rounds suiciding is fine. it's the people who all met up in chapel from OOC commands and bombed the chapel to suicide is just another reason why this round went to shit so hard

Meeting up in the chapel is acting on OOC info which is against the rules but also somewhat understandable so those bans were lessened to a day. People who suicided outside the chapel got their bans lifted.

This is why bot bus should ping supportmin and server specific roles when someone ahelps with nobody online. I can find at least 4 ahelps in bot bus where people are asking admins to come help them with the server lagging due to icebox. There is another one too that says that people are going to mass suicide at the chapel. Its so bad its almost funny that admins finally get on Manuel after people have devolved into breaking the rules to try and solve their issue.

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NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

That's odd, I have fond memories of the entire crew griefing donut station whenever it came up in the queue.

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

That's odd, I have fond memories of the entire crew griefing donut station whenever it came up in the queue.

same thing happened on cerestation every round until they got it removed
it seems icebox is finally the one map admins will defend

Play on the 500% time dilation map or be banned. You have to abide by the rules so go on and roleplay as you usually would.

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

dont ever play a paladin in a tabletop game for the sake of everybody involved

Eskjjlj wrote:Play on the 500% time dilation map or be banned. You have to abide by the rules so go on and roleplay as you usually would.

gaslighting this bad shouldn't be acceptable on general chat.

I was pretty mad at midnightrose since they weren't there to see how bad it was and it was totally understandable but then midnightrose posted the gettysburg fucking address in big red letters and I had to agree with everything they said so I was only slightly mad
Big fucking I told you so though felt good when I told everyone in ooc "THIS IS MANUEL GET USED TO LAG LIKE THIS SHIT HAPPENS" and everyone told me off

Kel wrote:

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

dont ever play a paladin in a tabletop game for the sake of everybody involved

based

Cobby wrote:

Eskjjlj wrote:Play on the 500% time dilation map or be banned. You have to abide by the rules so go on and roleplay as you usually would.

gaslighting this bad shouldn't be acceptable on general chat.

cringe, dont buzzwordify "gaslighting" please, it has an actual definition that isn't "saying something i disagree with"

honestly it's not like nobody tried to pull admins from other servers, most people didn't think of it but most importantly nobody was trying to suicide in bad faith, people were just trying to avoid getting another lag spike so bad that a restart vote would take 20 minutes to pass instead of 140 seconds. If this did somehow ruin your round then you're a complete idiot who should've realized this was going to happen and your round would've been ruined anyway either when the lag spike that was expected ended up occuring or when the wizard died.

fuck was it rose or anne who came on I don't remember they're literally the same person completely indistinguishable

>game is literally unplayable
>people agree to suicide in ooc because game is unplayable
>ban people who are suiciding

The IC OOCers who were ghost sniping should be banned but banning anyone beyond that is some real ban bot shit.

People who suicided without doing anything, even if they were in chapel, shouldn't be banned.

I have just learned that supportmin was pinged multiple times during this situation. As a result my opinion is no longer neutral. I could understand harsh bans if nobody called for help but its pretty clear to me that people asked for help and it never came. I'd be pretty upset if I was in their shoes.

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

That's odd, I have fond memories of the entire crew griefing donut station whenever it came up in the queue.

You mean the time when I'm fairly sure command was banned for releasing the singulo on repeat? Or attempted to do so at the very least?

Kel wrote:dont ever play a paladin in a tabletop game for the sake of everybody involved

I've played exactly one paladin. It went very well. Mostly because it was a redemption paladin so I had every reason to give people a chance over smiting heretics and evil.

I'm not gonna sit here and say a ban wasn't warranted, but 3/5 days is REALLY excessive.

Hoes mad x19

play stupid games

what i find most hilarious are the guys acting like this is some unlawful act and the people have decided to do this and the admins have no right to interfere with the actions of the community

Owegno wrote:This is why bot bus should ping supportmin and server specific roles when someone ahelps with nobody online.

If we programmed the bots to ping supportmin every time an ahelp was relayed we'd have 0 supportmins within 12 hours.

sorry lol

Vekter wrote:I'm not gonna sit here and say a ban wasn't warranted, but 3/5 days is REALLY excessive.

seriously wtf, i dont think i would even ban for it, but if i did it would maybe like a 2 hour thing so they sit out a round or something

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Vekter wrote:I'm not gonna sit here and say a ban wasn't warranted, but 3/5 days is REALLY excessive.

seriously wtf, i dont think i would even ban for it, but if i did it would maybe like a 2 hour thing so they sit out a round or something

yes if extended but they did totally fuck over the wizard for not wanting to give up his wizard round, not cool :/

Armhulen wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Vekter wrote:I'm not gonna sit here and say a ban wasn't warranted, but 3/5 days is REALLY excessive.

seriously wtf, i dont think i would even ban for it, but if i did it would maybe like a 2 hour thing so they sit out a round or something

yes if extended but they did totally fuck over the wizard for not wanting to give up his wizard round, not cool :/

hmm today i will be a wizard on space station 13 with 500% time dilation <-- edit: inaccurate shitpost sorry

booo

also just from talking to a lot of people the problem always boils down to there being nearly zero people who want to admin manuel. no trainers play manuel, manuel is kind of a joke, etc etc but they had tons and tons of rounds that were hellish before this point and i really just wish we never came to the vigilante justice point

admins when people try to salvage any amount of fun from an unplayably laggy round:

Armhulen wrote:also just from talking to a lot of people the problem always boils down to there being nearly zero people who want to admin manuel. no trainers play manuel, manuel is kind of a joke, etc etc but they had tons and tons of rounds that were hellish before this point and i really just wish we never came to the vigilante justice point

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ATHATH wrote:admins when people try to salvage some fun out of an unplayably laggy round:

Here, i'll get it for you. No need to thank me!

edit: you broke the link again. wow.

ATHATH wrote:admins when people try to salvage any amount of fun from an unplayably laggy round:

U BROKE THE ROOOLS

You personallly ahelp during round. No reponse. Others do discord pings. Totally ignored. 550% time dilation. Restart vote took over 10 minutes to process and actually restart the round due to time dilation. Round restarted. Same map. Map vote passes before round starts. New map next round.

People OOC say chapel suicide.
People IC say chapel suicide.

You say nothing in either IC or OOC. You go to the chapel and suicide. Impossible to prove if you did it because of OOC or because of IC. Maybe when you went to the chapel and saw the gruesome remains of so many already dead people and thought it was the end times. First time offence.

Warning? Too lenient. Note and warning? Too lenient. Your punishment? 3 day ban. You appeal. Because you chose to suicide in a specific location, you get a day ban.

Admin all but wrecks an active round. Admin Thanos snaps half the command roles, the AI and a bunch of other people out of the game. Ban lengths and justification were part a crusade to collectively punish and make examples out of people. Some bans reversed or downscaled later on. Many bans not deserved and many players not deserving of the knee-jerk ban reaction even with context.

Improper admin escalation. Address each case individually. Use the tools at your disposal as an admin to triage the bans by banning the people who actually did things that were worth banning first, and not banning the people who didn't do things worth banning at all after that.

Rule 0 gives you the ability to issue bans, including mass bans, where otherwise bans would not be needed, warranted or called for under the other rules. Just because you used Rule 0, it does not immediately make every single one of those bans fair or just.

Shitmin jealous that players are able to fix a broken game without them

anime admins are loser virgins lol

Mostly deserved, some more then others but damn it was very very toxic.

Midnight rose, raveradbury, jimmius, owegno and justicegoat are our admins, very nice to have around. Good people. I'd go for an admin position to fill the void but it's hard to get in one.

People suicide because they dont wanna play, would you have banned them if they had just closed the game and gone Braindead/SSD? You punish them for not wanting to play, by not allowing them to play. The consequences of this are, no one will wanna play on manuel.

Tl;dr Nigmins strike again

if you want to see what happens to a server that never has any admins on it, look at hippie over the last 2 years

NecromancerAnne wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

That's odd, I have fond memories of the entire crew griefing donut station whenever it came up in the queue.

You mean the time when I'm fairly sure command was banned for releasing the singulo on repeat? Or attempted to do so at the very least?

It's kind of hard to believe things like this were actually watched for or cared about that much, when a (at the time) sitting headmin fairly explicitly confirmed my suspicions that admins were routinely allowed to sabotage Donut rounds under the guise of "it's an event!", the justification being "well they did a vote beforehand so it's fine..."

Tell us more about the sanctity of rounds, though.

Kendrickorium wrote:if you want to see what happens to a server that never has any admins on it, look at hippie over the last 2 years

what are you on about? pretty sure hippie has had more admins online than tg servers on average
they just don't intervene unless necessary, that's why hippie is and always was a better server

donutstation wrote:

Kendrickorium wrote:if you want to see what happens to a server that never has any admins on it, look at hippie over the last 2 years

what are you on about? pretty sure hippie has had more admins online than tg servers on average
they just don't intervene unless necessary, that's why hippie is and always was a better server

yikes