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rule11 is sub-saharan imho tbqh fam

This is the exact kind of shit I was telling you dopes was going to happen when Rule 11 was created lmao
This is the problem with Rave's platform, you will get people with retarded ideas like IQ is racism and now that's bigotry because in their special world they said so

vote rave radbury and join malkraz in three months
also why is sub-saharan iq considered a racist term? im unfamiliar with the statistics maybe the banning admin could explain the reasoning here
i truly believe (myself and malkraz) that sub-saharans are extremely intelligent as evident from iq statistics which i assure you i havent seen so i naturally optimistically view it

Admins need to get a thicker skin if this is the kind of thing people say makes you a bigot and gets you noted and banned.
Seriously. Getting too politically correct here, and...

It is not our goal to create or enforce a list of banned words and instead our goal to eject bigotry from the community. Enforcement will be less PC based and more common sense based with that goal in mind.

idk calling people sub saharan iq havers is funny and yeah maybe a tad racist but it's not really bigotry to the degree that we should have to police it. Let's not forget we're all adults here, we should be able to take a joke & shouldn't be dealing with stuff like this and instead people with ckeys with 1488 or open nazis who say "kill naggers" etc.

Americans on average have sub-100 IQ. This is an unintelligent level
https://www.healthline.com/health/average-iq#average-iq

The average IQ in the United States is 98.

BAN ME!!!!

It is not our goal to create or enforce a list of banned words and instead our goal to eject bigotry from the community. Enforcement will be less PC based and more common sense based with that goal in mind.

"Common sense" and "PC" are entirely defined by the people enforcing the rule. To Sylphet, I'm sure it's common sense that my statement was highly bigoted as they've expressed in my thread.

Malkraz wrote:

It is not our goal to create or enforce a list of banned words and instead our goal to eject bigotry from the community. Enforcement will be less PC based and more common sense based with that goal in mind.

idk calling people sub saharan iq havers is funny and yeah maybe a tad racist but it's not really bigotry to the degree that we should have to police it. Let's not forget we're all adults here, we should be able to take a joke & shouldn't be dealing with stuff like this and instead people with ckeys with 1488 or open nazis who say "kill naggers" etc.

"Common sense" and "PC" are entirely defined by the people enforcing the rule. To Sylphet, I'm sure it's common sense that my statement was highly bigoted as they've expressed in my thread.[/quote]
malkraz is sub-sub-saharan iq because he fucked up the quote

SHUT THE FUCK UP BEE BEES HAVE LIKE 6 IQ

last time i checked there were no 'malkraz' socks so shut the fuck up

is sylphet implying that saying sub-saharan people are low IQ == saying a certain race is low IQ....

i imagine there is more than one race in sub-saharan africa... kind of sus for them to think of one race though...

best wishes,
bobbah 'bee' brown,

I think it's time to get rid of rule 11

Hmm yes Manuelmins

pugie wrote:I think it's time to get rid of rule 11

The day it was implemented was the time to get rid of it. It makes sense on Discord because Discord has their own rules, and banning express attacks on players themselves is fine. It was obvious from day 1 it was going to regress into horse shit like this note.

bro it's not racist if it's true bro look at these crime stats bro clearly rule 11 has gotten out of hand we need to remove it

FloranOtten wrote:bro it's not racist if it's true bro look at these crime stats bro clearly rule 11 has gotten out of hand we need to remove it

I was talking about the medics sorry kid not an IQ debate

Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil

australians live under the saharan desert

its a geographical region not a race of people, elon musk is a sub-saharan african and that motherfucker be pasty as hell and smokes the big weedus

Super Aggro Crag wrote:its a geographical region not a race of people

I literally do not even know the demographic split and I don't care
The average IQ of the medbay is extremely low

Just wait until retard Is gone

comparing someone to a sybil player is an heavy insult

Not my fucking fault Bagil is dead
You fuckers did that while I was taking a break

bruh ur last post was a year ago don't do this to me bagil is literally 3/90 when I play HELP

Super Aggro Crag wrote:its a geographical region not a race of people, elon musk is a sub-saharan african and that motherfucker be pasty as hell and smokes the big weedus

I was gonna call u out on this and be like "Hah no you fool its just the area between the sahara and the congo"

then i was struck with a moment of doubt and googled it and crag is right again wtf?

sort of ambivalent on whether this should be upheld or struck off as frankly it's a weak ass comment to warn for even if it does fall under the purview of rule 11. I doubt Malkaz put much thought into it beyond a spicy way of calling someone stupid. It's kind of funny for him and others to play out the old song of dance of "oh I'm not being racist, just stating the facts", kind of cowardly but I guess in this post rule 11 world that's how you roll.

The note wasn't worth the drama.

So if someone called shitsec to be incompetent as Nigerian police (just googled which country had the weakest police, first result), would that make that individual immediately bigoted and therefore a rule 11 breaker in the eyes of Sylphet?

Something about this criteria feels extremely wrong and I can't shake the feel.

Gigapuddi420 wrote:I doubt Malkaz put much thought into it beyond a spicy way of calling someone stupid.

Pretty much. You and I both know if I wanted to be racist I would've just called them something like ape-brained mednogs and it wouldn't even be the first time. I have no reason to sneak one past admins when I happily do it openly.
And I don't even think THAT'S a rule 11 break with how it's been enforced up to now, either. Rule 11 has primarily been for targeted attacks and explicit OOC.

Agux909 wrote:So if someone called shitsec to be incompetent as Nigerian police (just googled which country had the weakest police, first result)

I too, do this all the time. Fucking assistants, they are like *googles US crime statistics* uhhhhhhhhhhh

I guess this really is a sybil moment

bad players, bad jannies
we're all bad together



I only play sybil

MSO himself literally referenced some very spicy and racey colorful language from Crag as the very kind of shit that rule 11 is NOT supposed to be used for. The man himself that created the rule.

Yet we've been seeing it used for the very stuff it was never meant to cover, idle jokes and generic insults.

It kind of makes the stance of "We're using it to get rid of REAL bigotry" hold substantially less weight when you ban/note someone for calling someone stupid in a funny way.

i thought they meant the temperature of the sahara

its pretty clear the admins in that appeal have sub-saharan IQ

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:

Super Aggro Crag wrote:its a geographical region not a race of people, elon musk is a sub-saharan african and that motherfucker be pasty as hell and smokes the big weedus

I was gonna call u out on this and be like "Hah no you fool its just the area between the sahara and the congo"

then i was struck with a moment of doubt and googled it and crag is right again wtf?

another one

keepforgettingpw wrote:MSO himself literally referenced some very spicy and racey colorful language from Crag as the very kind of shit that rule 11 is NOT supposed to be used for. The man himself that created the rule.

Got a link to that?

admins literally still pretending that africa is a continent

IkeTG wrote:admins literally still pretending that africa is a continent

africa is incontinent *shits*

Super Aggro Crag wrote:

IkeTG wrote:admins literally still pretending that africa is a continent

africa is incontinent *shits*

BASSED

Malkraz wrote:

keepforgettingpw wrote:MSO himself literally referenced some very spicy and racey colorful language from Crag as the very kind of shit that rule 11 is NOT supposed to be used for. The man himself that created the rule.

Got a link to that?

Why yes, yes I do

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 18#p575518

and in fact read the whole thread, it's a goldmine of both based Crag posts and actual insight onto the rule itself by the host that the admins seem to just ignore

keepforgettingpw wrote:

Malkraz wrote:

keepforgettingpw wrote:MSO himself literally referenced some very spicy and racey colorful language from Crag as the very kind of shit that rule 11 is NOT supposed to be used for. The man himself that created the rule.

Got a link to that?

Why yes, yes I do

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 18#p575518

and in fact read the whole thread, it's a goldmine of both based Crag posts and actual insight onto the rule itself by the host that the admins seem to just ignore

correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure MSO is saying it is fine because the slur is being used as an example, and not actually being said.

NoxVS wrote:

keepforgettingpw wrote: Why yes, yes I do

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 18#p575518

and in fact read the whole thread, it's a goldmine of both based Crag posts and actual insight onto the rule itself by the host that the admins seem to just ignore

correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure MSO is saying it is fine because the slur is being used as an example, and not actually being said.

MrStonedOne wrote:Just for reference, this is a perfect example of an appropriate use of a slur under the new rules, and why i won't blanket ban slurs. While it would be easy for a bigot to use the "for example" dog whistle to try and bypass the rules, there isn't any reason to believe SAC is doing so here.

pugie wrote:I think it's time to get rid of rule 11

we don't pay you to think

oh no, I can't talk about regional IQ in ss13 ooc


anyway

Domitius wrote:
There is literally no other way to interpret this than you intentionally meaning to demean a group of people. Then you try and defend being racist by citing statistics. We don't care if you're racist, we care about players expressing bigotry like you've done here.

This is just a note. It is both factually correct and is a clear violation of rule 11 so it will be upheld.

There is literally other ways to interpret this, like Malkraz using statistics about IQ in a territory to shit on fictional characters. Then Malkraz tries and reasonably defends their non-racism by explaining how they were just using a proven statistic from their results to shit on fictional characters. We do care if someone is being racist openly and maliciously towards a certain minority and Malkraz showed no sign of bigotry here.

This is a bad note. It is both factually incorrect and it is clearly not a violation of rule 11 so it shouldnt be upheld.

Can't believe headmins don't even understand how to interpret their own rules. MSO where are you??

I'm glad you had the intelligence to review your position and understand how stupid it was, most don't

Agux909 wrote:There is literally other ways to interpret this

yea that's usually how language works

>Mississippi IQ medtards
Everyone would've known what you meant by this and you'd avoid the inevitable accusations of racism (and it does make you seem racist)

IkeTG wrote:

Agux909 wrote:There is literally other ways to interpret this

yea that's usually how language works

It's good to be on the same page.

im not talking about books

Agux909 wrote: There is literally other ways to interpret this, like Malkraz using statistics about IQ in a territory to shit on fictional characters. Then Malkraz tries and reasonably defends their non-racism by explaining how they were just using a proven statistic from their results to shit on fictional characters. We do care if someone is being racist openly and maliciously towards a certain minority and Malkraz showed no sign of bigotry here.

This is a bad note. It is both factually incorrect and it is clearly not a violation of rule 11 so it shouldnt be upheld.

Can't believe headmins don't even understand how to interpret their own rules. MSO where are you??

unsure if sarcasm or serious