/tg/Station 13

Mickyan wrote:If a human law 2'd you to jump off a bridge would you do it

MortoSasye wrote:People make mistakes, there's 0 reason to be rude

Armhulen wrote:I see where he came from because I would consider stating WGW as an obnoxious order

It would be a different story if the AI had said the WGW out of nowhere, but they just decided to follow a legitimate order

wesoda25 wrote:If it wasn’t your intention to kill the player why would you not just throw them an aheal and say sorry?

technokek wrote:

Armhulen wrote:That being said if that guy who made that
didnt get punished (more than just smite too) that's stupid and

wesoda25 wrote:If it wasn’t your intention to kill the player why would you not just throw them an aheal and say sorry?

This too

The orderer did not get punished.

And why would Mr. FatalX1 care, he is a ebic admin and above such problems as being dead. He can just bwoink/grief/whatever to entertain himself.

Why I made this complaint mostly is the total disregard of him towards my situation literally going " You weren't needed for this round anyway" in dead chat. If he didn't want a AI in his highlander event maybe he should have told people not to join as the AI.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:1) Wow I didnt realise that thread got quietly trashcanned without any kind of headmin intervention or ruling what the fuck?

wesoda25 wrote:Toxicity isn’t a good look on anyone, Malkraz

Rules wrote:The occurrence of any of the following should be adminhelped and then disregarded as violations of Server Rule 1:

1.Declaring silicons as rogue over inability or unwillingness to follow invalid or conflicting orders.
2.Ordering silicons to harm or terminate themselves or each other without good cause.
3.As a nonantagonist, killing or detonating silicons in the presence of a reasonable alternative and without cause to be concerned of potential subversion.
4.As a nonantagonist (human or otherwise), instigating conflict with silicons so you can kill them.
5.Threatening self-harm to force an AI to do something it otherwise wouldn't.
6.Obviously unreasonable or obnoxious orders (collect all X, do Y meaningless task).

Fhaxaris wrote:

Rules wrote:The occurrence of any of the following should be adminhelped and then disregarded as violations of Server Rule 1:

1.Declaring silicons as rogue over inability or unwillingness to follow invalid or conflicting orders.
2.Ordering silicons to harm or terminate themselves or each other without good cause.
3.As a nonantagonist, killing or detonating silicons in the presence of a reasonable alternative and without cause to be concerned of potential subversion.
4.As a nonantagonist (human or otherwise), instigating conflict with silicons so you can kill them.
5.Threatening self-harm to force an AI to do something it otherwise wouldn't.
6.Obviously unreasonable or obnoxious orders (collect all X, do Y meaningless task).

The AI should of adminhelped and disregarded the request, but the human shouldn't have made the request in the first place.

wesoda25 wrote:Toxicity isn’t a good look on anyone, Malkraz

Vekter wrote:Why are we even entertaining a complaint that reads "I was told to do something stupid AS THE ROLE THAT HAS TO DO WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU TO DO and I did it, now I'm upset that there were consequences for my actions"? Just delete the thread and move on, who fucking cares

ArcaneDefence wrote:Your honor, I simply **HAD** to recite the story of a child stuffing toys up their ass, getting coated in piss, and fucking dying.
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, I WAS A ROBOT. I HAD TO DO IT!!

When given an order likely to cause you grief if completed, you can announce it as loudly and in whatever terms you like except for explicitly asking that it be overridden. You can say you don't like the order, that you don't want to follow it, etc., you can say that you sure would like it and it would be awfully convenient if someone ordered you not to do it, and you can ask if anyone would like to make you not do it. However, you cannot stall indefinitely and if nobody orders you otherwise, you must execute the order.

MortoSasye wrote:Guys I love you but please don't be stupid and seriously defend someone being removed from a round for following an order.

The guy that should have been removed was the one that asked for the AI to say it, not the AI itself.

Armhulen wrote:

MortoSasye wrote:Guys I love you but please don't be stupid and seriously defend someone being removed from a round for following an order.

The guy that should have been removed was the one that asked for the AI to say it, not the AI itself.

To be fair there is a very subjective rule about ignoring and ahelping orders like this and the other precedent set is setting admins on wild goose chases for who was the originator of the copypasta instead of who said it which is dumb. The man trying to get the ai to say stuff that makes it OOCly valid is something that should have been cracked down on but I think it's safe to say if you connect to our 45 minute game >1000 times you should know by now that saying WGW = valid

Critawakets wrote:actually, AI was breaking law 1 in this case. WGW causes massive harm to the psyche of anyone that listens to it, making it human harm.

Checkmate, losers

Armhulen wrote:

MortoSasye wrote:Guys I love you but please don't be stupid and seriously defend someone being removed from a round for following an order.

The guy that should have been removed was the one that asked for the AI to say it, not the AI itself.

To be fair there is a very subjective rule about ignoring and ahelping orders like this and the other precedent set is setting admins on wild goose chases for who was the originator of the copypasta instead of who said it which is dumb. The man trying to get the ai to say stuff that makes it OOCly valid is something that should have been cracked down on but I think it's safe to say if you connect to our 45 minute game >1000 times you should know by now that saying WGW = valid

BONERMASTER wrote:Morto, what do I always say? Criticism to jannies is like sunlight to vampires. It is literally impossible for a jannie to accept his wrong doing and exist at the same time. And judging by how sweaty this guy handles the situation, there isn't even enough space in his head to imagine an opposing opinion. The only good play here is to deadmin him ASAP to set an example for the rest of the jannies. Because while reason does not work, fear does greatly, and it'll motivate the lower level jannies to not fuck up this badly.

Critawakets wrote:actually, AI was breaking law 1 in this case. WGW causes massive harm to the psyche of anyone that listens to it, making it human harm.

Checkmate, losers