/tg/Station 13

Cobby wrote:Ex headmin decided to fuel the flames in OOC and let them run unfettered instead of asking them what was up and telling them to knock it off had they found the reason to be inappropriate? Even if they were playing I would have expected maybe a F1 or something.

Complaint looks pretty straightforward but It just seems like the situation didn’t, shouldn’t even, have to get to that point especially if another admin (gamemaster even) was on.

bigfatbananacyclops wrote:
im not sure if owegno is aware of this but this really isn't a situation where you'd ask them whats going on and tell em to knock it off; paxil has adminabused several times while prioritizing their own fun several times, besides what owegno said (paxil doing this consecutively for like 3 days), they have spawned themselves as an arms dealer giving away deadly gear, while this is supposedly a gimmick to make the round fun it really doesn't look like they're trying to. another example would be building an entire room for a ''date'' they took part in, nobody was watching this nor does it contribute anything. from my perspective i think paxil just tends to press buttons ultimately looking for their own enjoyment over others.

bigfatbananacyclops wrote: no i dont have any proof i just witnessed.

Farquaar wrote:I was quite surprised, as the station was in great condition until the blob showed up and steamrolled everyone. So I did a little log-diving. What I found was that basically nobody was dead aside from antagonists. Here are all deaths (out of 55 players) that occurred before Paxil triggered the Blob. These can be verified from game.txt and attack.txt.

Spoiler:

Bobson Dugnutt died at 11:42. Revived at 11:51

Quinn Scott died at 11:43. He was a traitor, and logged out right after at 11:44.

Joachim Straub died at 11:58. Revived at 12:00

Khachatur Fox died at 11:52. Revived at 12:06

Joey Petunia died at 12:10. Revived at 12:21

Tucker Throne died at 12:09. Revived at 12:26

Paxil triggers Space Dragon at 12:17

D.O.N.G.L.E. destroyed at 12:21 while serving a malf AI.

Lance Zalack died at 12:23. Chose to respawn as an Abductor.

Adam Fisher died at 12:23. Revived at 12:29.

Space Dragon died at 12:27.

ANDROMEDA wiped at 12:28:39. It was a malf AI.

Paxil triggers blob at 12:28:42.

bigfatbananacyclops wrote:

Cobby wrote:Ex headmin decided to fuel the flames in OOC and let them run unfettered instead of asking them what was up and telling them to knock it off had they found the reason to be inappropriate? Even if they were playing I would have expected maybe a F1 or something.

Complaint looks pretty straightforward but It just seems like the situation didn’t, shouldn’t even, have to get to that point especially if another admin (gamemaster even) was on.

im not sure if owegno is aware of this but this really isn't a situation where you'd ask them whats going on and tell em to knock it off; paxil has adminabused several times while prioritizing their own fun several times, besides what owegno said (paxil doing this consecutively for like 3 days), they have spawned themselves as an arms dealer giving away deadly gear, while this is supposedly a gimmick to make the round fun it really doesn't look like they're trying to. another example would be building an entire room for a ''date'' they took part in, nobody was watching this nor does it contribute anything. from my perspective i think paxil just tends to press buttons ultimately looking for their own enjoyment over others. no i dont have any proof i just witnessed.

Owegno wrote:Since some people here are questioning me and other admins who were on at the time the other admins I believe were busy training an AC as I noticed they were in the training channel at the time and I don't blame them for not getting into an admin fight over this.

NikoTheGuyDude wrote:Also, blob is extremely powerful, all you gotta do to see how strong it really is is to watch a few of naloac's videos.

NikoTheGuyDude wrote:Also, blob is extremely powerful, all you gotta do to see how strong it really is is to watch a few of naloac's videos.

[2021-04-03 00:28:16.557] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "i was about to press the xenos button but last time I saw xenos on manuel" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:25.412] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "they actually fucking rp'd with the xenos" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:29.571] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "manuel players suck" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:31.170] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Jimmius/(Clyde Thunderpants) "manuel cares not for your admin bussing" (Starboard Bow Maintenance (169,149,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:42.562] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Blob)
[2021-04-03 00:28:44.192] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Jimmius/(Clyde Thunderpants) "press all the buttons you like, the shuttle isn't getting called" (Chapel (185,147,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:48.442] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "rp this fucker" (Starboard Primary Hallway (161,129,4))
[2021-04-03 00:35:27.119] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "we do a little trolling" (Primary Tool Storage (74,148,4))
[2021-04-03 00:35:47.013] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Owegno/(Luvenia Afriel) "I doubt that is a good idea." (Primary Tool Storage (77,146,4))
[2021-04-03 00:35:54.644] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "its not" (Fore Maintenance (79,153,4))
[2021-04-03 00:35:57.285] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "but i dont care" (Fore Maintenance (80,153,4))

oranges wrote:it'll be very difficult to make the headadmins care about this from what I can see, it's no worse than using highlander to end a round for technical reasons.

oranges wrote:I have ended rounds for less and with way more disruption

iamgoofball wrote:So, regarding the blob point generation, I decided to test it on a local server.

You literally cannot naturally get 9 to 10 point generation(which is what Paxil gave the blob with the 5+5 and the 2+7 after the reroll) every blob tick without the game ending due to blob reaching critical mass, due to the distance requirements on Nodes and Resources.

I had to start quickly taking pictures of my immense girth taking up all of the Kitchen, the Theater, the Hydroponics Bay, and maintenance behind it all on Metastation before the nuke went off and every tile got blob'd due to Critical Mass.
This was the size of a full department in just blob tiles.

Ignore the absurd point value, it does that when you reach critical mass since the game's over. I had to start screencapping then as I hadn't expected to reach critical mass just yet.




It took me 19 minutes to reach that point, with zero players obstructing me and spending none of my points on factories, blob spores, blobbernauts, rerolls, or shield blobs because I was on an empty test server by myself.


Paxilmaniac literally gave this blob more regen than a post end-game blob within the first four minutes of it being alive.

If this isn't an attempt by an admin to force end the round for personal gain(getting the ISS testmerge up faster), I don't know what is.

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:if forcing a small and fragile map is considered admin grief, would it mean kilo existing is coder grief?

iamgoofball wrote:

Spoiler:

So, regarding the blob point generation, I decided to test it on a local server.

You literally cannot naturally get 9 to 10 point generation(which is what Paxil gave the blob with the 5+5 and the 2+7 after the reroll) every blob tick without the game ending due to blob reaching critical mass, due to the distance requirements on Nodes and Resources.

I had to start quickly taking pictures of my immense girth taking up all of the Kitchen, the Theater, the Hydroponics Bay, and maintenance behind it all on Metastation before the nuke went off and every tile got blob'd due to Critical Mass.
This was the size of a full department in just blob tiles.

Ignore the absurd point value, it does that when you reach critical mass since the game's over. I had to start screencapping then as I hadn't expected to reach critical mass just yet.




It took me 19 minutes to reach that point, with zero players obstructing me and spending none of my points on factories, blob spores, blobbernauts, rerolls, or shield blobs because I was on an empty test server by myself.


Paxilmaniac literally gave this blob more regen than a post end-game blob within the first four minutes of it being alive.

If this isn't an attempt by an admin to force end the round for personal gain(getting the ISS testmerge up faster), I don't know what is.

Armhulen wrote:

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:if forcing a small and fragile map is considered admin grief, would it mean kilo existing is coder grief?

what's the admins gonna do about that huh??

[2021-04-03 00:28:29.571] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "manuel players suck" (Chapel (182,134,4))

MrStonedOne wrote:I often and frequently and with no regret ended rounds to test merge my own prs.

Even I wouldn't have done this to manuel and respect that higher rp means longer rounds with higher investment in the round by the players. (and I've maybe observed 5 minutes total of manual rounds)

HOWEVER! if I had! This is how I would do it:

Use the game panel item spawner (not the spawn verb) to spawn 10 spiderlings in a random empty room with vents.

wait.

spawn 15 more.

wait.

Spawn 20 more.

.... and so on.

It seems stupid, but nothing like fighting thru wave after wave of spiders to force a shuttle call while giving the crew an enjoyable fight, you can dynamically add more based on how well they are doing, add some lore by ramming a single meteor in and spawning them there along with a centcom alert about lifesigns detected onboard "whatever the hell that was that just hit your station", and hell, while they are distracted with the spiders you can trigger machine intelligence. Maybe you just start making some of them sentient as they get closer and closer to the core area. Once the shuttle calls add an ert but wait until point of no return to send them to the station to give them a satisfying end to the chaos.

When you dip your hands into the round like that, you do so as a DM, not as an admin.

MrStonedOne wrote:

Spoiler:

I often and frequently and with no regret ended rounds to test merge my own prs.

Even I wouldn't have done this to manuel and respect that higher rp means longer rounds with higher investment in the round by the players. (and I've maybe observed 5 minutes total of manual rounds)

HOWEVER! if I had! This is how I would do it:

Use the game panel item spawner (not the spawn verb) to spawn 10 spiderlings in a random empty room with vents.

wait.

spawn 15 more.

wait.

Spawn 20 more.

.... and so on.

It seems stupid, but nothing like fighting thru wave after wave of spiders to force a shuttle call while giving the crew an enjoyable fight, you can dynamically add more based on how well they are doing, add some lore by ramming a single meteor in and spawning them there along with a centcom alert about lifesigns detected onboard "whatever the hell that was that just hit your station", and hell, while they are distracted with the spiders you can trigger machine intelligence. Maybe you just start making some of them sentient as they get closer and closer to the core area. Once the shuttle calls add an ert but wait until point of no return to send them to the station to give them a satisfying end to the chaos.

When you dip your hands into the round like that, you do so as a DM, not as an admin.

Farquaar wrote:

MrStonedOne wrote:

Spoiler:

I often and frequently and with no regret ended rounds to test merge my own prs.

Even I wouldn't have done this to manuel and respect that higher rp means longer rounds with higher investment in the round by the players. (and I've maybe observed 5 minutes total of manual rounds)

HOWEVER! if I had! This is how I would do it:

Use the game panel item spawner (not the spawn verb) to spawn 10 spiderlings in a random empty room with vents.

wait.

spawn 15 more.

wait.

Spawn 20 more.

.... and so on.

It seems stupid, but nothing like fighting thru wave after wave of spiders to force a shuttle call while giving the crew an enjoyable fight, you can dynamically add more based on how well they are doing, add some lore by ramming a single meteor in and spawning them there along with a centcom alert about lifesigns detected onboard "whatever the hell that was that just hit your station", and hell, while they are distracted with the spiders you can trigger machine intelligence. Maybe you just start making some of them sentient as they get closer and closer to the core area. Once the shuttle calls add an ert but wait until point of no return to send them to the station to give them a satisfying end to the chaos.

When you dip your hands into the round like that, you do so as a DM, not as an admin.

I don’t think anyone would have had a problem with that approach. Even if it cut an eventful round short, that approach would have been a gradual ramp-up that would have at least made for a fun struggle for survival. It’s leagues better than “hey fuck you I’m an admin everybody dies to mechanically unbeatable antag u should have called the shuttle lol go cry about it PRANKED”

manuel players suck

rp this fucker

we do a little trolling

I made a mistake and misjudged over 50 people's ability to kill a stationary object

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:omg he spawned an antag on a full crew with no deads or anything else happening OMFG think of the children's rp