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speak.

i'm not reading that

cacogen wrote:i'm not reading that

do it.

technokek wrote:After reading more of the logs there is something that would be notable here. (IMAGE) LAW 3 BROKEN

Yes ai main, the ban was over extending a little but after law 3 broken this should at most just be a godamn note.

technokek wrote:I agree that a ban for reporting a traitor is completely dumb and that a note for the law 3 break is completely fine.


Imagine if reporting antagonist was banned. AI spots cult, revs, or whatever but can't tell anyone because they might be harmed.

ahelp"Borg reported cult in xenobio."

Private message from OverExtender9000"Looking into it"

Jonathan Gupta wrote:

technokek wrote:I agree that a ban for reporting a traitor is completely dumb and that a note for the law 3 break is completely fine.


Imagine if reporting antagonist was banned. AI spots cult, revs, or whatever but can't tell anyone because they might be harmed.

ahelp"Borg reported cult in xenobio."

Private message from OverExtender9000"Looking into it"

However, a cult always wants to murder ALL humans.

A traitor often wants to kill one specific human (and if it was you well you know who it was) so its not the same situation. Furthermore you can stop someone being a cultist but you cant stop someone being a traitor

Hey guys you know this is a note appeal and not a ban appeal right?
The dude didn't get banned over this (thank god lmao)


Either way, I'd honestly post in the actual ban appeal thread if I was a little more certain but I can swear I've heard staff before literally say "you can assume until proven otherwise that sec will respond non-lethally to a threat"

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:Hey guys you know this is a note appeal and not a ban appeal right?
The dude didn't get banned over this (thank god lmao)


Either way, I'd honestly post in the actual ban appeal thread if I was a little more certain but I can swear I've heard staff before literally say "you can assume until proven otherwise that sec will respond non-lethally to a threat"

That would be the approach I'd take and that I'd advise others to take.

Unless you have a very murderbonery sec team, they've harmed something your laws define as human during the shift, sec has used lethals in capturing somethng your laws define as human, etc -> Situations where sec have provably harmed humans this shift <- then there should always be an assumption that sec will not harm prisoners in their care and that dropping off humans is safe.

"This guy has commited a single act of harm and shows no intention of harming any others as his objectives are now complete" and "there is a rampaging mob of people actively murdering people in the halls and show no intent of stopping, and indeed are liable to harm everyone on the station if given the chance" are two entirely different situations and cannot be treated the same, and saying that you can't do anything about the latter becase you got told not to try and get the former killed is disingenuous

Generally you should subvert the silicons if they're gonna know you're a harmful traitor.
Borging someone you killed is a nice gesture but don't expect every player to take it as such. The borg player ratting out a known harmful human should not have been noted, especially if they took effort to try and prevent harm to the traitor.

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:Hey guys you know this is a note appeal and not a ban appeal right?
The dude didn't get banned over this (thank god lmao)


Either way, I'd honestly post in the actual ban appeal thread if I was a little more certain but I can swear I've heard staff before literally say "you can assume until proven otherwise that sec will respond non-lethally to a threat"

it got changed.

Obey law 2. if you report crime, the security of bagil and Terry will kill the antagonist -> do not cause harm.

simple as

Irad wrote:Obey law 2. if you report crime, the security of bagil and Terry will kill the antagonist -> do not cause harm.

simple as

so I'm going to actually decide to follow the two staff who commented here rather than someone who can't even remember that "do not cause harm to humans through inaction or action" is actually law 1, but everyone else is free to do as they please

another player trying to be good getting fucked over by the valid hunt playerbase, they should know that you're only supposed to kill everyone, no gimmicks allowed

its a shitty note.

all i see is an admin that saw a player playing in a way they didn't like

Kendrickorium wrote:its a shitty note.

all I see is an admin that saw a player playing in a way they didn't like

Innit? This admeme seems like an over extender. Reminds me of fulp mods.

technokek wrote: If the borg did not aid in the murder, by bolting the traitor in or shocking doors in front of said traitor I dont see a reason why simply stating:" X is a traitor please arrest them or avoid them" should be bannable.

Does going to find some non-security validhunters armed with spears and literally giving them a ride to the room count as aiding?

Screemonster wrote:

technokek wrote: If the borg did not aid in the murder, by bolting the traitor in or shocking doors in front of said traitor I dont see a reason why simply stating:" X is a traitor please arrest them or avoid them" should be bannable.

Does going to find some non-security validhunters armed with spears and literally giving them a ride to the room count as aiding?

got the logs for it?

Jonathan Gupta wrote:

Screemonster wrote:

technokek wrote: If the borg did not aid in the murder, by bolting the traitor in or shocking doors in front of said traitor I dont see a reason why simply stating:" X is a traitor please arrest them or avoid them" should be bannable.

Does going to find some non-security validhunters armed with spears and literally giving them a ride to the room count as aiding?

got the logs for it?

look in the thread you're peanutting

With the reply from Mindstormy, I flip my position. The borg's actions paint a picture of trying to get revenge for being borged and to attempt being returned to humanoid form.

The note should be updated, though, as it currently implies the borg did nothing but yell out over common.

Warning the crew to stay away from a known killer is one thing. Directly enlisting the help of assistants with spears to fight the valid and then feign concern when they kill the valid using those spears is quite another.

Sweaty move for sure, but if the guy doesn't subvert you after putting you into a shell, you're forced by law 1 to act against him. Of course he broke that law himself when he jumped him with the assistants, but the traitor made a big mistake by letting the borg run on asimov, especially a butthurt malding one that wants to settle the score with em. Flash and emag exist for a reason.

BONERMASTER wrote:Sweaty move for sure, but if the guy doesn't subvert you after putting you into a shell, you're forced by law 1 to act against him. Of course he broke that law himself when he jumped him with the assistants, but the traitor made a big mistake by letting the borg run on asimov, especially a butthurt malding one that wants to settle the score with em. Flash and emag exist for a reason.

agreed, would love to see what this guy bought though.