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https://discord.com/channels/326822144233439242/808425762217656330/873235156029300836 wrote:It is time for head coders accept a new paradigm where they sit under the host, as head admins do.

Things can not continue as things once have. I will continue to get frustrated at feeling powerless in matters involving coderbus until that frustration leads me to abandon all protocol, as it did today.

The solution is obvious.

Flatulent wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

Flatulent wrote:Fix grab and combat mode is golden

otherwise its complete and fucking aids and anyone who tried cqc with it will probably share my opinion

What's your idea?

make the grab hotkey changeable or bring back intents as legacy mode

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:

Kyrah Abattoir wrote: gugu ga ga

make your own thread for offtopic shit that has nothing with the bee emoji pr riot of 2021

Kyrah Abattoir wrote: gugu ga ga

BONERMASTER wrote:Crazy suggestion: Put intents back, make them a toggleable feature.


With deranged regards
-BONERMASTER

Armhulen wrote:

BONERMASTER wrote:Crazy suggestion: Put intents back, make them a toggleable feature.


With deranged regards
-BONERMASTER

So you're just full on not reading my posts now huh

Malkraz wrote:Why is ur name not purple anymore

chocolate_bickie wrote:

Yenwodyah wrote:

sinfulbliss wrote:Control-click to grab is objectively easier than "3-click," and "4-harm" is still "4-harm."

Do you have three arms? That's the only way I could imagine holding down a button for the entire time you're trying to grab something being easier than just pressing a button to turn on grab mode. Or have you never tried to grab a cuffed prisoner away from a tider dragging them away from you down the hall?

Jesus christ this.

Grabbing people who are moving is so fucking hard. Especially since holding down ctrl often stops all movement for some God forsaken reason.

Fikou wrote:

chocolate_bickie wrote:

Yenwodyah wrote:

sinfulbliss wrote:Control-click to grab is objectively easier than "3-click," and "4-harm" is still "4-harm."

Do you have three arms? That's the only way I could imagine holding down a button for the entire time you're trying to grab something being easier than just pressing a button to turn on grab mode. Or have you never tried to grab a cuffed prisoner away from a tider dragging them away from you down the hall?

Jesus christ this.

Grabbing people who are moving is so fucking hard. Especially since holding down ctrl often stops all movement for some God forsaken reason.

ctrl and alt are hotkeys that by default set you to walk and stop your movement completely, they should probably be remapped to a place that you dont use for combat/mech strafing but you can do this in your hotkey preferences

Yenwodyah wrote: Wrong. 4 buttons are now 4 button-combos: lclick, rclick, combat-lclick, combat-rclick. It's exactly as complex, but without the natural hints of named intents.
Let's say I want to whack a dude with my stunbaton and deal damage to him. On intents it's easy - harm harms, help just stuns. And you can't accidentally beat someone if you attack on help intent with no charge.
With combat mode, do I right-click or left-click? Well, most weapons attack on left-click. Left-click is usually used for standard interactions while right-click is usually for specialized functions. Think main fire vs. alt-fire in an FPS - left-click shoots, right-click does each gun's specialized function. So to smash a tider's skull, something that any item with force can do, you'd think left-click would be more appropriate, right? Wrong, fucko, it's right-click! Unless your baton is off and you're in combat mode, then it's both! There are plenty of other examples of stuff like this, e.g. hitting a machine with a tool vs. interacting with it.
You see what I mean? With combat mode the only natural indication of which of your four actions you want to take is "Is this a combat action, or a non-combat action?" There's no indication of what left-click and right-click do. With intents, sure, disarm and grab saw some questionable use-cases, but in general you knew that help would be the least-violent action, harm would be the most-violent action, and the other two would be some specialized use.
Do you have three arms? That's the only way I could imagine holding down a button for the entire time you're trying to grab something being easier than just pressing a button to turn on grab mode. Or have you never tried to grab a cuffed prisoner away from a tider dragging them away from you down the hall?
Oh, of course, It's good because people are used to it. Why didn't I think of that?

cSeal wrote:

Yenwodyah wrote: Wrong. 4 buttons are now 4 button-combos: lclick, rclick, combat-lclick, combat-rclick. It's exactly as complex, but without the natural hints of named intents.
Let's say I want to whack a dude with my stunbaton and deal damage to him. On intents it's easy - harm harms, help just stuns. And you can't accidentally beat someone if you attack on help intent with no charge.
With combat mode, do I right-click or left-click? Well, most weapons attack on left-click. Left-click is usually used for standard interactions while right-click is usually for specialized functions. Think main fire vs. alt-fire in an FPS - left-click shoots, right-click does each gun's specialized function. So to smash a tider's skull, something that any item with force can do, you'd think left-click would be more appropriate, right? Wrong, fucko, it's right-click! Unless your baton is off and you're in combat mode, then it's both! There are plenty of other examples of stuff like this, e.g. hitting a machine with a tool vs. interacting with it.
You see what I mean? With combat mode the only natural indication of which of your four actions you want to take is "Is this a combat action, or a non-combat action?" There's no indication of what left-click and right-click do. With intents, sure, disarm and grab saw some questionable use-cases, but in general you knew that help would be the least-violent action, harm would be the most-violent action, and the other two would be some specialized use.
Do you have three arms? That's the only way I could imagine holding down a button for the entire time you're trying to grab something being easier than just pressing a button to turn on grab mode. Or have you never tried to grab a cuffed prisoner away from a tider dragging them away from you down the hall?
Oh, of course, It's good because people are used to it. Why didn't I think of that?

Intelligence issue

Yenwodyah wrote: Wrong. 4 buttons are now 4 button-combos: lclick, rclick, combat-lclick, combat-rclick. It's exactly as complex,

Kendrickorium wrote:remember when we had to shower

TheMythicGhost wrote:When did this thread become "Let's talk about hilarious features lol". Wasn't this about MSO getting sick of not having administrative oversight on people he hosts for and them being up their own asses?

Armhulen wrote:

BONERMASTER wrote:Crazy suggestion: Put intents back, make them a toggleable feature.


With deranged regards
-BONERMASTER

So you're just full on not reading my posts now huh

BONERMASTER wrote:Crazy suggestion: Put intents back, make them a toggleable feature.


With deranged regards
-BONERMASTER

BONERMASTER wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

BONERMASTER wrote:Crazy suggestion: Put intents back, make them a toggleable feature.


With deranged regards
-BONERMASTER

So you're just full on not reading my posts now huh

Dear Armhulen,

I only read that it was hard. Not impossible.
Further, upon reflecting on that idea. I have come up with an even more insane idea, bordering on delirium.
It goes like this: Add a grab mode that you can toggle with a keybind.


With wackadoo regards
-BONERMASTER

Kendrickorium wrote:remember when we had to shower

Armhulen wrote:

BONERMASTER wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

BONERMASTER wrote:Crazy suggestion: Put intents back, make them a toggleable feature.


With deranged regards
-BONERMASTER

So you're just full on not reading my posts now huh

Dear Armhulen,

I only read that it was hard. Not impossible.
Further, upon reflecting on that idea. I have come up with an even more insane idea, bordering on delirium.
It goes like this: Add a grab mode that you can toggle with a keybind.


With wackadoo regards
-BONERMASTER

That's on me. Maintainability wise it is impossible

TheMythicGhost wrote:When did this thread become "Let's talk about hilarious features lol". Wasn't this about MSO getting sick of not having administrative oversight on people he hosts for and them being up their own asses?

Jaredfogle wrote:Like that one comic I can never find of a husband screaming at his wife, the wife then screaming at her kid, and the kid screaming at their pet. Oh, I'm also a tad annoyed that I can't run playtests as easily anymore or update the servers.

sinfulbliss wrote:

Rohesie wrote:So nowadays I'm aware that no matter what change you do to the game, some people will hate you for it and won't be shy about it. It comes with developing.
If there's a hundred players there will be a hundred and one opinions on how the game should be, it is how it is. If you want to do what you consider be improving the game, be ready to face the reaction.

Very helpful post understanding the history. It's worth adding here though that there is a difference between the usual pissing and moaning greeted to any large-scale change (i.e., combat mode, hardstun removal, etc.), and a change being universally hated by pretty much everyone. The former might be a great change (I think combat mode was an amazing change despite the hate it got when it was merged) while the latter could be a change almost everyone dislikes except several members of coderbus who okayed it.

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:pressing and holding any key on the keyboard now brings up a radial menu centered on your character with 8 different intents possible associated with that key - thus bringing the intent count up to 808.
to make this a nicer number, space bar has 10 intents instead of 8.

However, due to concern for the loud powergamer subpopulation, pressing alt and then entering in a three-digit code off your number pad can instantly swap you to any of the 810 intents, provided you have the numerical ID memorized.
Sec officers memorize about 100, competent MDs are expected to know a little over 130, atmos engineers know three (smartpipe, dumbpipe, and wielded-action-targeting-head), and AIs are expected to know all 810 despite the fact that silicons STILL only have two intents (help and harm) as otherwise they're griefing and clearly should not be playing the role.

Armhulen wrote:cargo techs still know 4

EuSouAFazenda wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:55 am

Armhulen wrote:cargo techs still know 4

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