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Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:01 pm
by Valorium

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:44 pm
by CMDR_Gungnir
"They didn't do anything wrong, they were just trying to disarm you of your baton and disabler!"

Incredible. Tell me you don't actually play the game without telling me you don't play the game.

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:07 pm
by Super Aggro Crag
Admin has an anime avatar

Overturn

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:39 pm
by Pandarsenic
I read the opening description and instantly knew this was either Manuel or Terry. I am inventing /tg/station horseshoe theory.

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:19 pm
by XivilaiAnaxes
Pandarsenic wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:39 pm I read the opening description and instantly knew this was either Manuel or Terry. I am inventing /tg/station horseshoe theory.
Don't be silly, Manuel players wouldn't be able to fight off security multiple times

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:10 pm
by Valorium
CMDR_Gungnir wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:44 pm "They didn't do anything wrong, they were just trying to disarm you of your baton and disabler!"

Incredible. Tell me you don't actually play the game without telling me you don't play the game.
Yeah, wasn't there a ruling a while ago that taking sec equipment, particularly (and specifically) batons, considered taking lethals? Like, I can't say I agree with the banned seccie's general demeanor but if every single member of the engineering department attacks a security officer who's arresting their boss for beating the shit out of someone and takes their gear, then that doesn't exactly open them up to a relaxed discussion.

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:43 am
by CMDR_Gungnir
Valorium wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:10 pm
CMDR_Gungnir wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:44 pm "They didn't do anything wrong, they were just trying to disarm you of your baton and disabler!"

Incredible. Tell me you don't actually play the game without telling me you don't play the game.
Yeah, wasn't there a ruling a while ago that taking sec equipment, particularly (and specifically) batons, considered taking lethals? Like, I can't say I agree with the banned seccie's general demeanor but if every single member of the engineering department attacks a security officer who's arresting their boss for beating the shit out of someone and takes their gear, then that doesn't exactly open them up to a relaxed discussion.
For what little it's worth, "has stun equipment like batons" is considered grounds to authorize Lethal Force under Space Law; but Space Law is less policy and more just a Roleplay thing.

But noone who actually plays this game would say "Yeah that dude stole your baton, he wasn't a threat, though :)" because baton theft = instant death half the time.

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:50 am
by Itseasytosee2me
• Security disperse the protest and end up arresting protesters; which was unjust in their eyes as they hadn't done any wrongdoing by exercising their right to protest
Man, the right to protest seems pretty non-applicable on a corporate space station and is found literally nowhere in the rules or even space law.

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:38 am
by Super Aggro Crag
Itseasytosee2me wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:50 am
• Security disperse the protest and end up arresting protesters; which was unjust in their eyes as they hadn't done any wrongdoing by exercising their right to protest
Man, the right to protest seems pretty non-applicable on a corporate space station and is found literally nowhere in the rules or even space law.
this seems reasonable.

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:49 pm
by Jonathan Gupta
I hate servers that treat space law like a holy bible, please for gods sake DO NOT TREAT THAT SHIT LIKE A BIBLE ITS FLAWED!

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:34 pm
by Kendrickorium
i could be wrong but doesnt policy say that once you are being attacked by more than one person, that opens them up to lethals?

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:03 am
by Screemonster
I seem to recall the guide to security used to just straight up say "don't take shit from a grey tide" and that it's valid to shoot them all on the spot if a bunch of people try invading the brig

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:37 pm
by Itseasytosee2me
Screemonster wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:03 am I seem to recall the guide to security used to just straight up say "don't take shit from a grey tide" and that it's valid to shoot them all on the spot if a bunch of people try invading the brig
Yeah something like that is still in space law and I would say it makes sense
Spacelaw wrote: It is required to order the crowd to disperse, failure to disperse is the crime not the assembly. Any crimes committed during the riot are considered separate offences.
Multiple Hostiles - it can be extremely difficult to detain multiple hostiles. As a last resort if you are being mobbed you may deploy your baton in a harmful manner to thin the crowd. Generally it is better to retreat and regroup than stand your ground.
There is little room for retreat when defending the brig.
It's near impossible to non-lethally incapacitate an entire crowd. Especially because of flashbang nerfs.

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:40 pm
by BlueMemesauce
Need to have enough officers to arrest the entire group at once. Otherwise they will just shove you and then you are oofed.

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:05 pm
by Screemonster
or [shotgun copypasta here]

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:31 pm
by Pandarsenic
sad stare at nearly useless tear gas

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:57 am
by Not-Dorsidarf
Personally I'd like the banning admin/headmins to try and resolve the fact that them and the appealer are telling very different stories about what happened that round and that one of the two is either lying, missing something important, or being misleading in that appeal.

As is theyre just talking past each other

Re: Man ends engineering forever peanut

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:56 pm
by Kendrickorium
space law is a guide