sinful peanut gallery
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:14 am
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Ah, but you see, he didn't KILL the person, he only crit him! So everything they did to de-escalate doesn't matter because the fight is still going on!CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:11 am I'm kind of impressed by how hard he's rules lawyering. I feel like it should be obvious that the intent of the policy is "Once the conflict is over, it has to escalate again".
Like, the fight's over. You have to put at least SOME mild effort into building back up to the fight, otherwise you could just ambush someone in the halls because they did something to you earlier.
if u disagree with it that probably means you think its factually inaccurate tooPandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:05 am I thought you can only appeal notes that are inaccurate, not notes that you just don't like
brb ambushing the CMO in the halls because he accidentally scalpel'd me instead of surgery because I had a hat onArchie700 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:14 amAh, but you see, he didn't KILL the person, he only crit him! So everything they did to de-escalate doesn't matter because the fight is still going on!CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:11 am I'm kind of impressed by how hard he's rules lawyering. I feel like it should be obvious that the intent of the policy is "Once the conflict is over, it has to escalate again".
Like, the fight's over. You have to put at least SOME mild effort into building back up to the fight, otherwise you could just ambush someone in the halls because they did something to you earlier.
In this case it helped us see how he was totally in the wrongCoffeeDragon16 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:46 am sinfuls appeals are the worst to deal with. i respect having a video though its very helpful
Calling someone a degenerate is a real bruh momentSuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:27 am[deleted comment]Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 am Hot take but can we just get rid of note appeals? 9 out of 10 fail because they can't prove that the note's not factual and it just ends in the note being slightly modified.
Also anyone arguing that "them" is always plural when singular they/them exists is automatically arguing in bad faith, fuck off.
i disagreeVekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 am Hot take but can we just get rid of note appeals? 9 out of 10 fail because they can't prove that the note's not factual and it just ends in the note being slightly modified.
Also anyone arguing that "them" is always plural when singular they/them exists is automatically arguing in bad faith, fuck off.
Would you have preferred i called you chud, you putrid simpering blubberfuck?Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:14 amCalling someone a degenerate is a real bruh momentSuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:27 am[removed comment]Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 am Hot take but can we just get rid of note appeals? 9 out of 10 fail because they can't prove that the note's not factual and it just ends in the note being slightly modified.
Also anyone arguing that "them" is always plural when singular they/them exists is automatically arguing in bad faith, fuck off.
The only part of my behavior I somewhat regret, was flashing him out of the blue. I should have just dragged the locker to maint or something instead. But even this was not something noteworthy, flashing someone a few times is an IC issue.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 am People skills get you further than a flash does. Sinful, you fucking around with the locker and then pulling out the flash to drop the engineer, completely out of the blue, was the worst way to ask for insulated gloves, peacefully at least.
Rather than reviewing the rules and policy of the game, I would recommend reviewing your own conduct ingame. A good way to start that is to ask yourself how you, as the opposing party, would have handled that situation.
That's also a good tip for lawyering in general. You are more convicning if you arguments tackle the fundamental view and understanding of a concept, rather than the placement and spelling of a few words in a rulebook.
With lawful regards
-BONERMASTER
It strikes me as the difference between RAW and RAI. The spirit of the rule is very clearly that once the fight is over, the fight is over, and it has to be worked towards again (unless you have reason to believe they're an antag). The wording may be "killed" and "revived", but what real significance do they have that simply being crit/brought out of crit doesn't? It's not like most players actually pretend to care about death. If the policy wasn't that once you get revived the fight's over, you'd probably just go straight back, right?sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:27 amThe only part of my behavior I somewhat regret, was flashing him out of the blue. I should have just dragged the locker to maint or something instead. But even this was not something noteworthy, flashing someone a few times is an IC issue.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 am People skills get you further than a flash does. Sinful, you fucking around with the locker and then pulling out the flash to drop the engineer, completely out of the blue, was the worst way to ask for insulated gloves, peacefully at least.
Rather than reviewing the rules and policy of the game, I would recommend reviewing your own conduct ingame. A good way to start that is to ask yourself how you, as the opposing party, would have handled that situation.
That's also a good tip for lawyering in general. You are more convicning if you arguments tackle the fundamental view and understanding of a concept, rather than the placement and spelling of a few words in a rulebook.
With lawful regards
-BONERMASTER
It's not about placement and spelling. It's about when you are allowed to retaliate in response to being attacked. Previously you could retaliate up and until you were killed and revived. I was only crit, so I was allowed to retaliate. Now the policy is amended so you can retaliate up and until you are incapacitated and treated. This isn't rule-lawyering, it's a completely different policy in practice.
digg has rotted your brain.Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 am Hot take but can we just get rid of note appeals? 9 out of 10 fail because they can't prove that the note's not factual and it just ends in the note being slightly modified.
Also anyone arguing that "them" is always plural when singular they/them exists is automatically arguing in bad faith, fuck off.
you do know that not being killed, but instead just being critted, is a good thing, right? and instead of taking it as deescalation you chose to go over the policy and said "well they didn't do this arguably worse thing. which means i'm OK to retaliate against them". can you call this acting in good faith?sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:27 am Previously you could retaliate up and until you were killed and revived. I was only crit, so I was allowed to retaliate. Now the policy is amended so you can retaliate up and until you are incapacitated and treated. This isn't rule-lawyering, it's a completely different policy in practice.
hey i cant call you a fucking dipshit moron in the actual ban appeal (i have to use facts and evidence to do so there), but let me reiterate heresinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:27 am It's not about placement and spelling. It's about when you are allowed to retaliate in response to being attacked. Previously you could retaliate up and until you were killed and revived. I was only crit, so I was allowed to retaliate. Now the policy is amended so you can retaliate up and until you are incapacitated and treated. This isn't rule-lawyering, it's a completely different policy in practice.
Yeah he' broke into' engineering and flashed a guy 3 times (after asking politely many times), whatever. He didn't hurt them afterwards and stopped, and kept asking politely. I'll kill someone who walks towards me with a flash sure, but not if they flash me then do nothing at all. But you seriously think he's being a tiding shithead? He asked politely numerous times (pleases and sirs in point), asked for de-escalation too, many "cease"'s as he actively and deliberately avoided conflict. What he did was basically a shove, then stopped, and tried to correct course.iamgoofball wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:16 amalso, then we can't laugh at morons like sinfulbliss who literally post video evidence of them being a greytiding shithead while going "WOW WHAT DID I DO WRONG???"
I'm not sure how much gasoline-cut crack cocaine you need to be boofing to think that this rule will be ever practiced seriously as an admin. The only way something gets 'reset' is if the round ends or I get taken to medbay and I instigated. If some rat actually pushes me to the point I kill them/felt the need to kill them (as a non-antag) in my department, as a human OOC, and IC, I have literally 0 reason to do anything for the person who forced my hand to that point. Why would I bring someone to medbay if they behaved in a manner that actually forced me to kill them? Also, I should probably read all the details, but if you get killed and dragged out of maint by a paramedic and revived, no fucking way in hell is has the conflict cooled down at all.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:27 amNow the policy is amended so you can retaliate up and until you are incapacitated and treated. This isn't rule-lawyering, it's a completely different policy in practice.
massa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:10 pmYeah he' broke into' engineering and flashed a guy 3 times (after asking politely many times), whatever. He didn't hurt them afterwards and stopped, and kept asking politely. I'll kill someone who walks towards me with a flash sure, but not if they flash me then do nothing at all. But you seriously think he's being a tiding shithead? He asked politely numerous times (pleases and sirs in point), asked for de-escalation too, many "cease"'s as he actively and deliberately avoided conflict. What he did was basically a shove, then stopped, and tried to correct course.iamgoofball wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:16 amalso, then we can't laugh at morons like sinfulbliss who literally post video evidence of them being a greytiding shithead while going "WOW WHAT DID I DO WRONG???"
It was only after he was threatened with the opening of a plasma canister, the brandishing of a charging telescoping baton, and then being bear trapped and physically assaulted by a janitor by 3 different people shoving and very clearly being aggressive with him. A janitor who was in Engineering, why? Killing and attacking someone he had no reason to be in conflict with? The engineers, sure. That janitor escalated harder than Axle or the Engineers did, against Axle. Everything Axle did before that was mostly normal SS13 shenanigans. He only used lethal force after a jannie, looking for trouble, not in his department, bear trapped him.
I'm not sure how much gasoline-cut crack cocaine you need to be boofing to think that this rule will be ever practiced seriously as an admin. The only way something gets 'reset' is if the round ends or I get taken to medbay and I instigated. If some rat actually pushes me to the point I kill them/felt the need to kill them (as a non-antag) in my department, as a human OOC, and IC, I have literally 0 reason to do anything for the person who forced my hand to that point. Why would I bring someone to medbay if they behaved in a manner that actually forced me to kill them? Also, I should probably read all the details, but if you get killed and dragged out of maint by a paramedic and revived, no fucking way in hell is has the conflict cooled down at all.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:27 amNow the policy is amended so you can retaliate up and until you are incapacitated and treated. This isn't rule-lawyering, it's a completely different policy in practice.
I actually find that more offensive given how lefty I am. Cut down on the salt a bit, it's bad for your heart.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:23 amWould you have preferred i called you chud, you putrid simpering blubberfuck?Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:14 amCalling someone a degenerate is a real bruh momentSuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:27 am[removed comment]Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 am Hot take but can we just get rid of note appeals? 9 out of 10 fail because they can't prove that the note's not factual and it just ends in the note being slightly modified.
Also anyone arguing that "them" is always plural when singular they/them exists is automatically arguing in bad faith, fuck off.
Get out of your own peanut you clownsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:27 amThe only part of my behavior I somewhat regret, was flashing him out of the blue. I should have just dragged the locker to maint or something instead. But even this was not something noteworthy, flashing someone a few times is an IC issue.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 am People skills get you further than a flash does. Sinful, you fucking around with the locker and then pulling out the flash to drop the engineer, completely out of the blue, was the worst way to ask for insulated gloves, peacefully at least.
Rather than reviewing the rules and policy of the game, I would recommend reviewing your own conduct ingame. A good way to start that is to ask yourself how you, as the opposing party, would have handled that situation.
That's also a good tip for lawyering in general. You are more convicning if you arguments tackle the fundamental view and understanding of a concept, rather than the placement and spelling of a few words in a rulebook.
With lawful regards
-BONERMASTER
It's not about placement and spelling. It's about when you are allowed to retaliate in response to being attacked. Previously you could retaliate up and until you were killed and revived. I was only crit, so I was allowed to retaliate. Now the policy is amended so you can retaliate up and until you are incapacitated and treated. This isn't rule-lawyering, it's a completely different policy in practice.
Unless you drive over to my house and personally escort me to the hospital, you've violated escalation policy.
Just inject my blood into the rhubarb plant I've got in the backyard. I'll be fine.
go get boosted you fucking naziVekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:40 pmI actually find that more offensive given how lefty I am. Cut down on the salt a bit, it's bad for your heart.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:23 amWould you have preferred i called you chud, you putrid simpering blubberfuck?Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:14 amCalling someone a degenerate is a real bruh momentSuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:27 am[removed comment]Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 am Hot take but can we just get rid of note appeals? 9 out of 10 fail because they can't prove that the note's not factual and it just ends in the note being slightly modified.
Also anyone arguing that "them" is always plural when singular they/them exists is automatically arguing in bad faith, fuck off.
Why would you assume the revhead would continue to be attacked by a converted rev? For 2 minutes?
People who greytide tend to have seen most of the game, and reached a state of boredom with the mechanics. Don't think giving them more to do would help, if they wanted something to do they'd be playing captain or sec.
i've seen some absolute what moment notes before so this would be a bad ideaVekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 am Hot take but can we just get rid of note appeals? 9 out of 10 fail because they can't prove that the note's not factual and it just ends in the note being slightly modified.
Also anyone arguing that "them" is always plural when singular they/them exists is automatically arguing in bad faith, fuck off.
The original fight was started because Axle decided, somehow, to take the ID due to non-response and it escalated from there because to the CE and janitor, it looked like Axle was being greytider shit and it went on for long enough that eventually harmful methods had to be employed to stop him.massa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:04 pmWhy would you assume the revhead would continue to be attacked by a converted rev? For 2 minutes?
Pacifist or not, a bear trap is a violent action that cripples and bleeds. Then, the ONE person the alleged revhead flashed comes back and starts battering him, and you make sure to join in on it (you continued pushing), AFTER you, yourself, had been flashed, and not been converted, eliminating suspicion that he was a revhead, with the engineer you thought he just converted to aid his cause doing the heavy lifting of toolboxing his 2d skull. I guess at this point it was just a fight and those get messy. I don't think you were very much in the wrong at all, though. I get how it played it out, it was a fast series of confusing events, and you did get flashed towards where he got critted.
This shit is an IC issue tbh.
this is goofy btw notes are a punishment/bad thing and making them unappealable would be cringeVekter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 am Hot take but can we just get rid of note appeals? 9 out of 10 fail because they can't prove that the note's not factual and it just ends in the note being slightly modified.
Also anyone arguing that "them" is always plural when singular they/them exists is automatically arguing in bad faith, fuck off.