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Man, we've gotten a lot of juicy appeals this past couple of days.

TypicalRig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:23 amFor context, as a felind, I do a common speech gimmick that involves swapping the r's and l's in my sentences with w's. Fairly simple and harmless. Does not change the round in any real way. I do this every shift I play felind because I find it funny. Nothing more. This results in me explaining to her that's not justification to ruin my entire round like that. She says she's not a fan of what they did, but also that if I do annoying gimmicks I should expect negative attention? This baffles me even more as it sets the precedent that if you find someone's accent annoying, you can grief them, which is detrimental to an LRP community. If someone fucks with Roibeard over his Irish accent, is that also allowed? If someone targets Rick Hick because "He Talks In All Caps Like This" is that justifiable? I doubt she would make the same ruling in these scenarios. And even if she did, it's a ridiculous one. I try to explain why his reasoning is shoddy, and she comes out with yet another false accusation.

hey thats the game, sometimes you get attacked by assholes
essential part of the spaceman experience IMO

I'm kinda half inclined to agree with the complaint. If you don't like someone's speech gimmick, just ignore them. If you want to make conflict with them, don't do it in a way that violates the rules (IE taking Important And Valuable Things From Them for no reason as a non-antag). "Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules" I'd argue taking someone's PDA and ID falls under Seriously Negatively Impact, and that "I don't like the way they talk" is little IC justification because you can very easily just...walk away.

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It makes sense to be confused if the admin accuses you of doing a "gimmick" when you speak in uwuspeak every round. To claim that's banbaiting is pretty excessive. The fact they asked about the chem beakers was also sort of odd, like they were searching for a reason to justify it or something.

Stealing someone's ID FNR is definitely a rule violation, whether or not they were talking in uwuspeak.

Also posting someone's notes publicly like that is sort of ehh. The headmins can check note history - just refer to it such that they can look it up.

"Fucking weirdo."



With disgusting regards
-BONERMASTER

when and w-where this incident o-occuwed (game sewver ☆*:・ﾟ fowumsO.o discowd): feb 1stO.o sybiw.
byond a-account and chawacter name o-ow d-discowd name: typicawwig - finn saywow
admin: cynic716
wound id here if appwicabwe: 177648
detaiwed summawy: https://atwantaned.space/banbus/ticket/1b5271683aa078e2 fow the full admin pms.
here are the e-events w-weading u-up to the ahewp, f-fow c-context: i was pwaying as a fewind botanist a-and eawwy on w-we had the supewmatter dewam uguu.., which w-wesuwted i-in us q-quickwy wosing p-power. duwing this time-.- i had found the chef in cwit in his kitchen-.- bwought him to medbay fow t-tweatment... and watew o-on found him back in full heawth so o-out o-of cuwiosity i w-was asking what h-happened t-to him as it wooked wike a vewy s-small expwosion had gotten him and we were chatting about that. duwing this, a pwayew (i bewieve a chemist based off one of the questions i got fwom cynic and the fact he was in all white), wandomwy shoves a-and aggwessive gwabs me〜☆ then wuns off w-with my pda and id as i was mid-speech. at f-fiwst i just a-assumed he w-was m-messing awound with me o-ow seawching me s-since we had n-no p-pwiow intewaction, but then he wuns off with said id and bag, o-offewing no h-hint as to w-what his deaw was aside fwom saying "fwickking wiewdo" xD w-well fwickk ( ˘⌣˘)♡(˘⌣˘ ) id theft awweady is annoying as hell uguu.., but twiple s-so in my scenawio because of the fowwowing weason:
1. power is o-out d-due to a d-dewammed sm〜☆ t-this caused me a deway i-in an id wepwacement.
2 (≧◡≦) a wepwaced i-id does not wepwace missing cwedits. i c-couwd not continue with my j-job b-by buying seeds ow chems even if the power was out.
3. with my cuwwent equipment, i couwd've somewhat continued m-my job as i awweady h-had botany chems, pwants uguu.., and seedsO.o but all that was taken away fow no w-weason.

so i a-ahewpO.o e-expwaining this, a-and i'm not getting the fastest w-wepwies f-fwom her, so i'm adding i-in fuwther detaiws as they come to mind as i ahewped in quite the huwwy ☆*:・ﾟ fiwst (⁄ ⁄>⁄ ▽ ⁄<⁄ ⁄).. she asks me if i took the chems i have in my bag fwom chemistwy, which m-makes me t-think t-the pwayew was a chemist and accused me of such. bizawre... but no big deaw,,, i q-quickwy shut t-that possibiwity d-down uguu.., the pwobwem stawts when s-she says t-that i haven't mentioned my "gimmick". i did not u-undewstand what she meant by this as i was pwaying m-my wound t-the same as i awways do and couwdn't wecall any gimmick i'm doing t-that w-wouwd make me vawid to gwief *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ i ask fow cwawification-.- and am met with a w-wather pointed q-question and accusation in wesponse (* ^ ω ^) the exchange going wike so:

cynic716: you s-seemed to have not mentioned youw g-gimmick thewe
typicawwig: my gimmick being???
cynic716: are you wike, gonna wie to me wight n-now? i can see evewything you've done and said

at this point *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ i'm both c-confused and swightwy iwwitated fow being accused of wying. there were p-pwenty o-of o-other ways to get t-the i-infowmation she wanted ☆*:・ﾟ and this was the poowest of choices on her end. i descwibed t-the s-situation a-as pwecisewy a-as i c-couwd and at this point w-was scwowwing up thwough wogs to twiple check that i had never met chiwon before, not finding anything that indicated t-that *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ so i ahewped asking her to c-cwawify instead of b-being vague *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ because i found t-this attitude unfaiw a-and unpweasant to handle. at this stage-.- she mentions that she meant "the annoying u-uwu speak thing".

fow context, as a fewind (*^.^*).., i do a common speech gimmick that invowves swapping the w-w's and w's in my sentences with w's-.- faiwwy simple and hawmwess〜☆ d-does not c-change the wound in any weaw way. i do this evewy shift i pway fewind because i find it funny. nothing more. this wesuwts in me expwaining to her that's not justification t-to wuin my entire wound wike that〜☆ she says s-she's not a fan o-of what they did, but awso that if i do annoying g-gimmicks i shouwd expect negative attention? t-this baffles me even more as it sets the pwecedent that if you find someone's accent annoying, you can g-gwief them (*^.^*).., w-which is detwimentaw t-to a-an wwp community. if someone f-fwickks with w-woibeawd over his iwish accent uguu.., is that awso awwowed (o_O)? i-if someone tawgets wick h-hick because "he tawks i-in all caps wike this" is that justifiable? i doubt she wouwd m-make the same wuwing in these scenawios ☆*:・ﾟ a-and e-even if she did-.- i-it's a widicuwous one. i twy to expwain why his w-weasoning is shoddy *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ and she comes out with yet another f-fawse accusation.

cynic716: i'm wooking at y-youw note histowy and notice a simiwaw pattewn of b-banbaiting b-behaviiow (≧◡≦) the other g-guy a-awso mentioned you not w-weawwy twying t-to stop him while he was doing it (*^.^*).., it was onwy aftewwowds that you got secuwity on him while ahewping i-it at the same time

huh?? (ーー;)? not o-onwy were the n-notes in q-question t-that he puwwed o-out were fwom 8-9 m-months ago, with no pwiow n-notes between t-them fwom then on,,, but i-it was a-at this point that i weawised she had no idea what s-she was tawking about ☆⌒ヽ(*"､^*)chu i did not fight back because o-one ☆*:・ﾟ i was mid-typing with the chef who h-had been bwown up eawwiew, t-two, d-did n-not weawise t-that he wouwd c-compwetewy wemove my geaw if he got away.. and thwee, was stuck in an aggwessive gwab by the time i weawised w-what was h-happening. of couwse i cawwed sec on him. h-he stole m-my things a-and made my job unpwayable〜☆ even if c-cynic punished him (which seemed unwikewy based off his tone) my shift is over untiw i g-get my access and cwedits back. this isn't banbaiting ☆*:・ﾟ i was i-in the m-middle of h-hewping a p-pwayew, got wobbed at wandom d-duwing it over a speech gimmick, and was then t-towd that said s-speech gimmick is banbaiting ☆*:・ﾟ despite this, i was not noted at t-the vewy weast (o^▽^o) i-i'm u-unsure if chiwon was p-punished ow n-not, but based off what he said it's unwikewy. the admin wewcomed me to m-make a c-compwaint... so here it i-is.

in e-essence, m-my compwaint is over two things:
1. unpwofessionaw conduct xD used cweawwy pointed phwases w-wike accusing me of w-wying. wying by omission i-is a thing.., but this onwy appwies fow intentionawwy weaving o-out impowtant facts. if you think someone is doing and incowwectwy call them out, that's on you. cynic shouwd've p-pwayed it safe and simpwy asked me in a powite m-manner a-about the speech gimmick fwom the beginning〜☆ i-instead-.- you went in hostiwe.
2. a cweaw inabiwity to pwopewwy use the toows avaiwable t-to her (wike notes, as her a-access to them onwy m-made the situation w-wowse) and an even f-fuwther w-wack of undewstanding of wule wewevant t-tewms wike what "banbaiting" i-is. banbaiting is when a pewson's i-intent is to twick someone into doing an action that wouwd wead them t-to g-get banned. there was no twick here. i was tawking in a goofy w-way with a chef who had been injuwed when some wandom chemist (?) attacked me, wooted me, and used me being annoying a-as justification when i had never so m-much as spoken d-diwectwy to him ( ˘⌣˘)♡(˘⌣˘ )

Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:01 pmp-pwease kiww me end my suffewing uwu

truwy based and wedpiwwed owo

chemist is an American hero

"i bullied him because he is speaking with w,s stole his backpack and ID and hid them and he never said a word"

Impressive quote.

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:26 pm Stealing someone's ID FNR is definitely a rule violation

Like you tried to do to that engineer?

lmao

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:39 pm

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:26 pm Stealing someone's ID FNR is definitely a rule violation

Like you tried to do to that engineer?

((No because I wouldn't have stolen it))

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:44 pm

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:39 pm

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:26 pm Stealing someone's ID FNR is definitely a rule violation

Like you tried to do to that engineer?

((No because I wouldn't have stolen it))

you literally tried to steal their ID

not even on page 2 without devolving to sinful appeal.

Also idk how you do something that is generally accepted as annoying even outside of ss13 and then get surprised you're harassed over it.

The only "issue" i sorta take here is that viewing notes should be an after the fact instead of prior just so you dont have any preconceptions about the situation until the final call versus going in thinking theyre banbaiting which framed some of their questions uniquely.

Cobby wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:51 pm not even on page 2 without devolving to sinful appeal.

Also idk how you do something that is generally accepted as annoying even outside of ss13 and then get surprised you're harassed over it.

The only "issue" i sorta take here is that viewing notes should be an after the fact instead of prior just so you dont have any preconceptions about the situation until the final call versus going in thinking theyre banbaiting which framed some of their questions uniquely.

admin pms make it clear that I'm fine with harrassment as long as it is compliance with the rules and kept light. making me unable to do my job does not fall under that. lrp allows for this freedom even without the felind speech coming into play.

Where was cynic for my kat green ban wtf

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:46 pm

you literally tried to steal their ID

taking an ID and running off is different from half-assedly attempting to remove it to use it for a split second

disarming you for a bit would also make you "unable to do your job". If he just moved it nearby that's more involvement than you just having to sit on the ground waiting for him to be done disarming you.

The point of contention is if the uwu speak should be considered annoying in general. If so, I have zero qualms about getting harassed over it because youre doing something that is generally seen as annoying for no real purpose. There are plenty of speech gimmicks you are free to do that isnt a wide known annoyance among the internet (not even ss13 explicit), and quite frankly I think if that hasnt ever been considered by you then youre either being incredibly naive or concern trolling.

Basically if your gimmick was anything other than the widely known annoying uwu speak I would be 100% in your camp.

Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:01 pm when and w-where this incident o-occuwed (game sewver ☆*:・ﾟ fowumsO.o discowd): feb 1stO.o sybiw.

*steals your ID*

episode 540 of why catgirls were a mistake btw

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:39 pm

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:26 pm Stealing someone's ID FNR is definitely a rule violation

Like you tried to do to that engineer?

based

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:10 pm

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:46 pm

you literally tried to steal their ID

taking an ID and running off is different from half-assedly attempting to remove it to use it for a split second

it's still ID theft you literal child

Cobby wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:19 pm episode 540 of why catgirls were a mistake btw

it's a catboy
even worse

idk how far he moved the gear, just that it was out of my vision completely, when i checked nearby it was nowhere in sight, and that i never got it back. cynic only confirmed that chiron said these things, not that they were actually true. and no, a disarm is just a few seconds (unless he just decides to shove me nonstop but I don't feel the need to humour what ifs) vs me hunting for where ever he put my gear is. personally I would have been happy to keep the ahelp result as is if it weren't for how the admin presented their self in pms. as the situation alone with Chiron was a fairly normal experience and a particularly light bit of fuckery by TG standards, even if still grief

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:22 pm it's still ID theft you literal child

if the ID isn't stolen it isn't ID theft you monkey. in this case the player lost their ID and had no ID for a prolonged period of time
go make another ided PR because a tider took a medikit

Get back in your own fucking appeal thread/nut, squatters

Nobody is going to deny the uwu speak is obnoxious but calling it ban-baiting is highest order bullshit even in a vacuum, and doubly so compared to some of the stuff people are allowed to get away with. Nobody is targeted by it, nobody is hurt by it. It is entirely on them to decide to fuck with you unprompted.

saying "just get a new ID LOL" is also unreasonable half the time, with HOP/captain fucked off to deal with engineering or just going on a validhunt adventure.

Not knowing you can link your account to a new ID is INCREDIBLY COMMON because most people just never try alt-clicking a fresh ID, and then you have to get the account info from the memories verb that people may not know exists yet. And THAT assumes the person who stole it didn't just empty your account from your old ID, in which case you're shit outta luck.

Isn’t Cynic’s avatar like this -v- while uwu is like this uwu

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:56 pm Where was cynic for my kat green ban wtf

so true bestie

its all so tiresome

tawk swit get wit!!! uwu!!

I dont think the cat was actually trying to start shit but wow it must be petty complaint season already

TypicalRig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:55 pm

Cobby wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:51 pm

admin pms make it clear that I'm fine with harrassment as long as it is compliance with the rules and kept light. making me unable to do my job does not fall under that. lrp allows for this freedom even without the felind speech coming into play.

Local cringelord posts in own peanut thread

first they came for the felinids, and i did not speak up because i was not a felinid

also this person is either baiting or incredibly stupid. maybe even both. cynic was right about the whole ban baiting thing lol

most normal felinid player

how do you legitimately type like this without being slow as fuck to talk

As much as the HEWWO urges me to violence, I stand by what I said, pretty much. As annoying as UWUspeak is, people do way worse and more disruptive shit all the time.

Felinids were a mistake, a costly one

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:56 am also this person is either baiting or incredibly stupid. maybe even both. cynic was right about the whole ban baiting thing lol

do you have a single fact or argument to back this up
i hate how easily "banbaiting" and "killbaiting" are thrown around

banbaiting only applies if you go into the scenario intending to bait the other into escalating against you, such that you can then let them wrong you and ahelp. typicalrig obviously did not intend for chiron to steal his ID and bag.
main issue with the ticket is the admin automatically assumed that typicalrig was behaving in bad faith. when he expressed confusion at "what gimmick," they could have easily calmly clarified what they meant, instead of accusing him immediately of lying

Cobby wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:19 pm episode 540 of why catgirls were a mistake btw

this is the players club, not the admin with anime avatar complains about catgirls in their own peanut thread club

oranges wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:27 am how do you legitimately type like this without being slow as fuck to talk

Remapped keyboard, possibly.

oranges wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:27 am how do you legitimately type like this without being slow as fuck to talk

You probably get used to it if you do it literally every round

uwu speak is ageplay with extra steps.

unless you're ironically being cursed it is just gross.

oranges wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:27 am how do you legitimately type like this without being slow as fuck to talk

fow wowds that use a wot of w's and w's i admittedwy have to swow down my typing quite a wot!! fow exampwe wowds wike cweawwy, witewawwy, and weawwy aww cause a deway in my typing abiwity. howevew, with enough pewfection and weguwaw pwactice you too can mastew this chewished skiww.

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:56 am first they came for the felinids, and i did not speak up because i was not a felinid

also this person is either baiting or incredibly stupid. maybe even both. cynic was right about the whole ban baiting thing lol

Fuck I was gonna make this joke.

1984 cat.

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:56 am

Real talk though: Comparing this to somebody doing a German or Russian accent is absurd. Frankly, I would support uwuspeak making you valid on the spot.

clearly its annoying and if someone spoke like that in real life you wouldnt want to be near them or around them (if it was all the time and frequent rather than ironic or something)

GamerAndYeahMick wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:15 am clearly its annoying and if someone spoke like that in real life you wouldnt want to be near them or around them (if it was all the time and frequent rather than ironic or something)

If someone spoke like that to me, I'd either beat someones ass or 2 Ask em if they play ss13.