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Wait, so if some fucker breaks in and tries to merc you and you win, you can't finish them off, even after they literally just tried to do you in?

How does that conflict with RP 6/10?

if you beat someone in a fight irl you probably wouldnt slit their throat while their down then put them in a meat grinder

Although they clearly broke the rules I think, I'm more worried about how bubble-wrapped the rules are becoming.
Turning people who break into your kitchen and mess with you into a hamburger has always been an ss13 pastime. Yeah if you did it constantly as chef or ran into a particularly strict admin, you'd be banned, but certainly we shouldn't shy away from this being a thing entirely, right?
Then again, I spose I can't have my cake and eat it too. I do like RP, and leaving punishment up to security is a pretty big part of that (being an employee on a corporate space station after all). Going full-on cannibal castle doctrine is funny, but it flies massively in the face of that basic premise.

So at the end of the day, I'm pretty mixed on this one.

That admin response is pretty condescending, and the ban reason is misleading based on the admin's response. But the scenario makes me doubt the character of the banned person.
Round removal aversion is one of the biggest weaknesses in the rules of Manuel.
The great irony of Manuel is that its rules restrict what many characters would do realistically, leading to worse roleplay brought on by fear of getting banned.

Rule 10 wrote:Losing is part of the game.
Your character will frequently die, sometimes without even a possibility of avoiding it. Events will often be out of your control. No matter how good or prepared you are, sometimes you just lose.

Bawhoppen and Easy have good takes, as usual

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:53 am if you beat someone in a fight irl you probably wouldnt slit their throat while their down then put them in a meat grinder

I don't have a machine specifically and only good for turning people into food as part of my job IRL, though.

Like, this is SS13 chef, c'mon.

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 6:39 am

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:53 am if you beat someone in a fight irl you probably wouldnt slit their throat while their down then put them in a meat grinder

I don't have a machine specifically and only good for turning people into food as part of my job IRL, though.

Like, this is SS13 chef, c'mon.

To be fair, it's also good for turning monkeys (your primary source of meat) into food with minimal mess, so your fridge doesn't harbour more diseases than the CDC.

I've been seeing fucking antags on manuel ahelp after losing a lot lately and it really pisses me off. I think progtraitor has broken a lot of brains where since it's so easy to green text now they get into their heads they are supposed to just be ALLOWED to greentext. You are not entitled to present yourself as a round removing murderoid and then cry when someone removes you. I had someone ahelp me the other day for trying to murder me with a fire ax in maintenance and they were mad i didnt just let them go after finding a bunch of syndie gear on them because of it cuz the lawyer said "he found it in maintenance you have no evidence that's not what happened he only wordlessly attacked you cuz he was afraid to be murdered by you because security bad and when you asked him to halt you THREATENED HIS ENTIRE LIFE"

I dont regret beating his lawyer up and slitting his client's throat with a boot knife in the permabrig. Traitors don't deserve second chances if they're not going to be fucking funny or clever or even out any fucking effort at all into their defense.

NoobskyBoi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:48 pmAnything else we should know: Banned on Goonstation twice for using lube defensively to slip pursuants (there is no water slip mechanic there, both bans were given with no appeal or deeper discussion)

WHAT? THIS GETS YOU BANNED ON GOON?

the ban makes sense but is also why i absolutely hate how manuel handles antags

also if you enter the chef’s domain looking to fight then that’s on you buddy

The chef has CQC specifically because dishonoring a chef in within his dojo (kitchen) is a heinous act and is not worthy of mercy.

As a guy who has notes from gibbing greytide as chef, this sucks

But in a MRP setting I begrudgingly agree that true RR as a service crewmember without sec intervention is bad form.

Maybe just take his organs for lizard food then let medical humpty-dumpty him back together again.

The gibber was probably a step too far, but a 3 day ban? Yeeeesh. Why not leave it as a note or a warning? I mean if he was allowed to murder the guy and it was simply a matter of gibbing, that's not as bad as an unjustified murder, which IIRC the standard is 1 day for.

Maybee you could argue the chef's kitchen in particular is sacred ground, and if you step in there trying to kill the chef you're justified being turned into ground beef. It's much different from if an assistant killed an antag and then cremated you.

Also ahelping this as an antag is really cringe to begin with, but maybe that's LRP bias.

no, this ban is good as it actively encourages people to stop fucking playing on manuel

let them eat hamburger

manuel moment

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:28 pm no, this ban is good as it actively encourages people to stop fucking playing on manuel

let them eat hamburger

Perversely brilliant

Manuel Accelerationism

massa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:06 pm The chef has CQC specifically because dishonoring a chef in within his dojo (kitchen) is a heinous act and is not worthy of mercy.

the chef has CQC because of the movie Under Siege starring Steven Segal

oranges wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:34 pm

massa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:06 pm The chef has CQC specifically because dishonoring a chef in within his dojo (kitchen) is a heinous act and is not worthy of mercy.

the chef has CQC because of the movie Under Siege starring Steven Segal

The chef has CQC because SS13 is coded on BYOND

You're expected to not round remove people when they first interact with you because it's shit and nobody likes getting round removed.

If you crit or kill someone who's a shitter to you, you can throw the body out or take them to med and hopefully they get the idea. If they don't, then you can round remove them.

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:28 pm no, this ban is good as it actively encourages people to stop fucking playing on manuel

let them eat hamburger

edited: flashing lights warning

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:39 am You're expected to not round remove people when they first interact with you because it's shit and nobody likes getting round removed.

If you crit or kill someone who's a shitter to you, you can throw the body out or take them to med and hopefully they get the idea. If they don't, then you can round remove them.

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:28 pm no, this ban is good as it actively encourages people to stop fucking playing on manuel

let them eat hamburger

removal of edited

this is fucking retarded cuckold logic, they killed and round removed a fucking TRAITOR, who was waving a fucking GUN around

so we're supposed to just fucking roll over and let the BIG BVLL TR8R fight us and lose despite the advantages his position as antag gives him, and then do everything in our power to give him another fucking chance to fucking kill us and remove us from the round? What if he didn't kill the traitor, what if the traitor pulled one over on him and fucking gibbed him and he ahelped it. Would your stupid fucking sausage lips contort into a grin around your fetid rotting corn kernel teeth as your shit-caked ragged-nailed digits hammered out VALID into the response window? Fuck off, jannie scum.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:53 am this is fucking retarded cuckold logic, they killed and round removed a fucking TRAITOR, who was waving a fucking GUN around

so we're supposed to just fucking roll over and let the BIG BVLL TR8R fight us and lose despite the advantages his position as antag gives him, and then do everything in our power to give him another fucking chance to fucking kill us and remove us from the round? What if he didn't kill the traitor, what if the traitor pulled one over on him and fucking gibbed him and he ahelped it. Would your stupid fucking sausage lips contort into a grin around your fetid rotting corn kernel teeth as your shit-caked ragged-nailed digits hammered out VALID into the response window? Fuck off, jannie scum.

I'm just going to point to the gif again instead of posting it, it's annoying enough as it is.

Heaven goddamn forbid we write rules around wanting people to HAVE FUN. It's not fucking hard - you don't round remove someone if you're not the Captain (or acting Captain). Cook bodies him, tosses his corpse to Med, tells Sec he thinks he found a traitor. They revive him and have a little RP about it, probably end up killing him.

Significantly more enjoyable than what happened, which is just one guy round removing someone and now they can't play anymore.

The risk of round removal is a prerequisite for high stakes. High stakes make for fun, excitement, and memorable rounds.

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:23 am

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:53 am this is fucking retarded cuckold logic, they killed and round removed a fucking TRAITOR, who was waving a fucking GUN around

so we're supposed to just fucking roll over and let the BIG BVLL TR8R fight us and lose despite the advantages his position as antag gives him, and then do everything in our power to give him another fucking chance to fucking kill us and remove us from the round? What if he didn't kill the traitor, what if the traitor pulled one over on him and fucking gibbed him and he ahelped it. Would your stupid fucking sausage lips contort into a grin around your fetid rotting corn kernel teeth as your shit-caked ragged-nailed digits hammered out VALID into the response window? Fuck off, jannie scum.

I'm just going to point to the gif again instead of posting it, it's annoying enough as it is.

Heaven goddamn forbid we write rules around wanting people to HAVE FUN. It's not fucking hard - you don't round remove someone if you're not the Captain (or acting Captain). Cook bodies him, tosses his corpse to Med, tells Sec he thinks he found a traitor. They revive him and have a little RP about it, probably end up killing him.

Significantly more enjoyable than what happened, which is just one guy round removing someone and now they can't play anymore.

All I get from this is "it's the traitor's own fault for being boring as shit so the chef wouldn't feel even a moment of hesitation about burgering him"

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:39 am You're expected to not round remove people when they first interact with you because it's shit and nobody likes getting round removed.

If you crit or kill someone who's a shitter to you, you can throw the body out or take them to med and hopefully they get the idea. If they don't, then you can round remove them.

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:28 pm no, this ban is good as it actively encourages people to stop fucking playing on manuel

let them eat hamburger

removal of edited

is there a way to filter forum posters

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:00 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:23 am I'm just going to point to the gif again instead of posting it, it's annoying enough as it is.

Heaven goddamn forbid we write rules around wanting people to HAVE FUN. It's not fucking hard - you don't round remove someone if you're not the Captain (or acting Captain). Cook bodies him, tosses his corpse to Med, tells Sec he thinks he found a traitor. They revive him and have a little RP about it, probably end up killing him.

Significantly more enjoyable than what happened, which is just one guy round removing someone and now they can't play anymore.

All I get from this is "it's the traitor's own fault for being boring as shit so the chef wouldn't feel even a moment of hesitation about burgering him"

What you should be getting is "There are different expectations on Manuel and the Cook didn't adhere to those".

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:23 am
Heaven goddamn forbid we write rules around wanting people to HAVE FUN. It's not fucking hard - you don't round remove someone if you're not the Captain (or acting Captain). Cook bodies him, tosses his corpse to Med, tells Sec he thinks he found a traitor. They revive him and have a little RP about it, probably end up killing him.

im sorry but this sounds so boring compared to someone walking up to the chef and asking what’s in the burger. imagine if you started to bite into the burger as the chef is telling the story and you realize you’re eating the meat of the mime. that sounds absolutely hilarious.

this is why manuel is fucking Lame bro lol

I agree this ban is a pretty good reason not to play on Manuel. You find a traitor and defeat them and you can't burger him?!!? What has this station come to.

I can't wait for the day these fucktards are done grooming their server pop for the moment when they can finally come out and tell the players that there will be no more killing on manuel unless you are sec or the captain

you all know it's coming and exactly which admins and coders have a gigantic hard on for it

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:23 am

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:53 am this is fucking retarded cuckold logic, they killed and round removed a fucking TRAITOR, who was waving a fucking GUN around

so we're supposed to just fucking roll over and let the BIG BVLL TR8R fight us and lose despite the advantages his position as antag gives him, and then do everything in our power to give him another fucking chance to fucking kill us and remove us from the round? What if he didn't kill the traitor, what if the traitor pulled one over on him and fucking gibbed him and he ahelped it. Would your stupid fucking sausage lips contort into a grin around your fetid rotting corn kernel teeth as your shit-caked ragged-nailed digits hammered out VALID into the response window? Fuck off, jannie scum.

I'm just going to point to the gif again instead of posting it, it's annoying enough as it is.

Heaven goddamn forbid we write rules around wanting people to HAVE FUN. It's not fucking hard - you don't round remove someone if you're not the Captain (or acting Captain). Cook bodies him, tosses his corpse to Med, tells Sec he thinks he found a traitor. They revive him and have a little RP about it, probably end up killing him.

Significantly more enjoyable than what happened, which is just one guy round removing someone and now they can't play anymore.

YOU KNOW WHATS REALLY FUCKING FUN? WASTING 45 MINUTES OF MY FUCKING ROUND STANDING AROUND WITH MY COCK AND BALLS IN MY HAND WHILE SOME DIPSHIT KEEPS TRYING TO REVIVE SOMEONE WHO TRIED TO MURDER ME BECAUSE HE'S GIVEN A LICENSE TO FUCKING KILL AND DESPITE ME CONSTANTLY SPELLING IT OUT TO THE MONGOLOID FUCKWITS WHO POPULATE THIS RUSTY METAL DEATHTRAP SURROUNDED BY THE ICY VOID THERE IS SOME GORMLESS GIMLET-EYED DOWN'S SYNDROME SHITBIRD CONSTANTLY INTERJECTING AND SCREAMING AND TRYING TO DRAG THE BODY TO BE REVIVED WHILE SPOUTING NONSENSE LIKE BUH MUH SULF DUFUNSE OR "BUT WHAT IF THE CHEF IS THE REAL TRAITOR" SIMPLY FOR THE JOY OF RUINING MY FUCKING ROUND BY GETTING THIS FUCKING TRAITOR REVIVED SO HE CAN HAVE A SECOND GO AT MURDERING ME. THAT'S SO FUCKING ENJOYABLE. THAT'S SO FUCKING FUN. AND GUESS WHAT? IF I SOMEHOW FUCKING CONVINCE THESE KNUCKLE DRAGGING CHIMPS TO NOT REVIVE THE FUCKING TRAITOR, OR TO REVIVE AND EXECUTE HIM (WHY??? WHY? ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARD VEKTER HOLY SHIT) GUESS WHAT THE END RESULT IS???? THE FUCKING TRAITOR IS STILL A FUCKING GHOST DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT SEETHING IN DEAD CHAT THAT HE DIDN'T GET SOMEONE BANNED/A SECOND CHANCE TO FUCKING MURDER PEOPLE. I COULD HAVE BEEN DOING MY FUCKING JOB THIS ENTIRE TIME BUT INSTEAD I HAVE TO FUCKING BABYSIT A FUCKING CORPSE TO PREVENT IT FROM GETTING BACK UP AND KILLING PEOPLE. HOLY SHIT VEKTER IF THIS WAS A ZOMBIE GAME YOU'D BE GOING AROUND MAKING SURE NO ONE HEAD SHOTS THE MINDLESS FLESH EATING GHOULS BECAUSE "DUDE NO IT'D BE MORE FUN IF THEY GOT BACK UP AND TRIED TO KILL US AGAIN"

FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU BANG YOUR SHIN INTO A COFFEE TABLE

YOU KNYOW WHATS WEAWWY FUCKING FUN? WASTING 45 MINYUTES OF MY FUCKING WOUND STANDING AWOUND WITH MY COCK AND BAWWS IN MY HAND WHIWE SOME DIPSHIT KEEPS TWYING TO WEVIVE SOMEONYE WHO TWIED TO MUWDEW ME BECAUSE HE'S GIVEN A WICENSE TO FUCKING KIWW AND DESPITE ME CONSTANTWY SPEWWING IT OUT TO THE MONGOWOID FUCKWITS WHO POPUWATE THIS WUSTY METAW DEATHTWAP SUWWOUNDED BY THE ICY VOID THEWE IS SOME GOWMWESS GIMWET-EYED DOWN'S SYNDWOME SHITBIWD CONSTANTWY INTEWJECTING AND SCWEAMING AND TWYING TO DWAG THE BODY TO BE WEVIVED WHIWE SPOUTING NYONSENSE WIKE BUH MUH SUWF DUFUNSE OW "BUT WHAT IF THE CHEF IS THE WEAW TWAITOW" SIMPWY FOW THE JOY OF WUINYING MY FUCKING WOUND BY GETTING THIS FUCKING TWAITOW WEVIVED SO HE CAN HAVE A SECOND GO AT MUWDEWING ME. THAT'S SO FUCKING ENJOYABWE. THAT'S SO FUCKING FUN. AND GUESS WHAT? IF I SOMEHOW FUCKING CONVINCE THESE KNYUCKWE DWAGGING CHIMPS TO NYOT WEVIVE THE FUCKING TWAITOW, OW TO WEVIVE AND EXECUTE HIM (WHY??? WHY? AWE YOU A FUCKING WETAWD VEKTEW HOWY SHIT) GUESS WHAT THE END WESUWT IS???? THE FUCKING TWAITOW IS STIWW A FUCKING GHOST DOING ABSOWUTEWY NYOTHING BUT SEETHING IN DEAD CHAT THAT HE DIDN'T GET SOMEONYE BANNYED/A SECOND CHANCE TO FUCKING MUWDEW PEOPWE. I COUWD HAVE BEEN DOING MY FUCKING JOB THIS ENTIWE TIME BUT INSTEAD I HAVE TO FUCKING BABYSIT A FUCKING COWPSE TO PWEVENT IT FWOM GETTING BACK UP AND KIWWING PEOPWE. HOWY SHIT VEKTEW IF THIS WAS A ZOMBIE GAME YOU'D BE GOING AWOUND MAKING SUWE NYO ONYE HEAD SHOTS THE MINDWESS FWESH EATING GHOUWS BECAUSE "DUDE NYO IT'D BE MOWE FUN IF THEY GOT BACK UP AND TWIED TO KIWW US AGAIN"

FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU BANG YOUW SHIN INTO A COFFEE TABWE

Fuck you and your "good faith" argument you fucking harlot. your whole fucking diatribe is based off "sec responds" and "med responds". How the fuck did you ever make it into the players club with the belief that ANY department will ever respond in a timely fucking manner? Go suck yourself off somewhere else you fucking orc. Or, better yet, go suck some lice-infected homeless junkie off, it'll be the only time you have brought any form of enjoyment into the world. I couldn't even skin you and use your hide for toilet paper because you're so fucking thin-skinned you'll dissolve once you touch my buttwater and get my fingers stinky.

Double Post RIP

Okay but first of all, the mime was a tator

Second, the "gun" was the traitor-mime-only finger gun, which you cannot disarm or confiscate other than maaaybe cutting off both the mime's arms?
It just seems perfectly reasonable to me that (assuming we're not going full HRP, so you are allowed to know how finger guns work) you just save yourself the trouble and dispose of the body immediately (and make two kinds of mimeburgers).

yeah nevermind the ban is bullshit. sec would have executed the mime anyhow.

From what i can tell the chef was in the wrong for gibing the mime, at least by manuel standards.

The ban is stupid tho. Admin just regurgitated some vague rp rules, called that a "warning," and then pretty much immediately went to a 3 day ban.

Sure its against the rules, but gibbing a confirmed traitor who zero context attacked you in your work place is pretty reasonable. This should have been a note if anything.

so i dug more into the logs and apparently one of the chefs had set up punji sticks somewhere behind in kitchen maint. the mime was caught in the captain's office: and in which they threw a bomb later on in the hallway, and to no surprise they were seen doing so: im assuming they then started getting chased by the law so they hid in maints (no clue how they got in there in the first place), and came up to the kitchen maint. it's at this point they pull out their mime finger guns and start blasting at the kitchen maint door:

however, what's interesting is after that, the mime comes into the kitchen by their own accord after firing off shots. maybe they destroyed the door or something- im not too sure about that. but anyhow, the next attack involving them is this: they get their ass robusted, as to be expected, and this is the salt they have to spread in dead chat: however, i'm totally and utterly confused as to how the mime got into maint in the first place, claiming that they were "stuck" there. it's at this point i realize that they must have had the hand teleporter from the captain's office, which explains how they were able to get away from the captain. as you can see in the logs below, they're teleporting around to various places and landed into the little botany maint room you see above. so: to sum up. they were not trapped at all. in fact, they made a conscious decision to not use their hand teleporter and to instead start shooting the kitchen maint door. they were an already known criminal who busted into captain's and that bombed the hallways. this mime, with their guide to advanced mimery, was already banking on a death wish. at most the chef should have been warned for putting up punji sticks FNR.

I think my problem is the expectation to defer to captain and security when captain and security were entirely uninvolved with the actual attack

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:14 pm this is why manuel is fucking Lame bro lol

basically yea, the rule needs to give some breathing room

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:39 pm Fuck you and your "good faith" argument you fucking harlot. your whole fucking diatribe is based off "sec responds" and "med responds". How the fuck did you ever make it into the players club with the belief that ANY department will ever respond in a timely fucking manner? Go suck yourself off somewhere else you fucking orc. Or, better yet, go suck some lice-infected homeless junkie off, it'll be the only time you have brought any form of enjoyment into the world. I couldn't even skin you and use your hide for toilet paper because you're so fucking thin-skinned you'll dissolve once you touch my buttwater and get my fingers stinky.

can we be best friends


>chef gets banned for making hamburger out of the MIME WITH A FUCKING FINGER GUN

holy shit

feel free to look up any number of youtube CS role play server vids for a clearer example of why admins need to tone the YOU ARENT ROLE PLAYING THE RIGHT WAY garbage way the fuck down

I think rule 10 from our core rules (losing is part of the game) is one of our most important and it seems to have been lost on manuel. It’s why I ultimately prefer our other servers: I’d rather play with a bunch of stoic assholes than kind crybabies. Of course not every manuel player is like that, but when those who are are protected by the rules, it becomes a much, much less attractive server to play on, at least for someone like me.

I doubt there’s really a perfect solution, but I think we can do better.

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:41 am I think rule 10 from our core rules (losing is part of the game) is one of our most important and it seems to have been lost on manuel. It’s why I ultimately prefer our other servers: I’d rather play with a bunch of stoic assholes than kind crybabies. Of course not every manuel player is like that, but when those who are are protected by the rules, it becomes a much, much less attractive server to play on, at least for someone like me.

I doubt there’s really a perfect solution, but I think we can do better.

I agree sadly. I still have been playing on Manuel because of its other positive qualities, but this really is an enormous downside to it.

it should probably be a rule that if you attack the cook in the kitchen and lose you cant complain about being served

Would have been better to leave it as an IC issue. Spawn yourself in as a NT rep, charge the cook with murder, have a trial in court. Much smoother solution than banning the cook, and let's your timeline branch off into all sorts of outcomes: maybe the cook gets convicted, maybe the courtroom blows up, and so forth.


With warm regards
-BONERMASTER

BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:36 pm Would have been better to leave it as an IC issue. Spawn yourself in as a NT rep, charge the cook with murder, have a trial in court. Much smoother solution than banning the cook, and let's your timeline branch off into all sorts of outcomes: maybe the cook gets convicted, maybe the courtroom blows up, and so forth.


With warm regards
-BONERMASTER

THAT is good roleplay!

also what exactly is the difference between MID role play and HIGH role play?

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:14 pm im sorry but this sounds so boring compared to someone walking up to the chef and asking what’s in the burger. imagine if you started to bite into the burger as the chef is telling the story and you realize you’re eating the meat of the mime. that sounds absolutely hilarious.

this is why manuel is fucking Lame bro lol

It does but then that mime is round removed and the round goes on for another two hours.

cacogen wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:47 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:14 pm im sorry but this sounds so boring compared to someone walking up to the chef and asking what’s in the burger. imagine if you started to bite into the burger as the chef is telling the story and you realize you’re eating the meat of the mime. that sounds absolutely hilarious.

this is why manuel is fucking Lame bro lol

It does but then that mime is round removed and the round goes on for another two hours.

So? Round removal is part of the game. Just grab a ghost role, spectate, or server hop.

Farquaar wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:57 pm So? Round removal is part of the game. Just grab a ghost role, spectate, or server hop.

I'm saying these rules exist because nobody wants to be round removed for that long without good reason, so we can't have things like what Iwishforducks is describing without Terry-length rounds (which results in everyone having to speedrun their jobs) or death being less consequential.

cacogen wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:58 am I'm saying these rules exist because nobody wants to be round removed for that long without good reason, so we can't have things like what Iwishforducks is describing without Terry-length rounds (which results in everyone having to speedrun their jobs) or death being less consequential.

Giving round removal such weight for those reasons really does not sound conducive to roleplay to me.

getting revived after you’re essentially robbed out of everything you have is lame anyhow. ive been embracing DNR as of recently and it’s made the game much more enjoyable than sitting outside HoP’s for 15 minutes or watching medical doctors fix my body to 100% before revival for 30 minutes. the only time you’d ever want to continue after you die is if you’re antag

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:26 pm getting revived after you’re essentially robbed out of everything you have is lame anyhow. ive been embracing DNR as of recently and it’s made the game much more enjoyable than sitting outside HoP’s for 15 minutes or watching medical doctors fix my body to 100% before revival for 30 minutes. the only time you’d ever want to continue after you die is if you’re antag

yeah its often better to just DNR rather than wait. i feel its also good for roleplay, if you had friends it gives them something to fight for, etc.