/tg/Station 13

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/66063

>Remove roundstart food
>Kill the chef as a changeling
>Force you to eat "vending machine food" that costs credits, doesn't fill up nutrition, and has cool downs on how much you can eat.
>Just trust botany (after they cross pollinate poison berries) and get cargo to buy pizza bro

I see what your doing here. The wool is not over my eyes. By removing food abundance and adding artificial scarcity, the economy finally gains value. We must suffer starving to death in ss13 and in real life too. For this dark immersion is upon us

Call shuttle no food! Someone ate Ian

If they do this i'm buffing donuts so you'll be able to make 6 donuts from one pastry base.

As a frequent chef player, good, fuck you all for constantly eating nothing but donuts and donk pockets and ignoring my lovingly made food spreads

I play chef pretty often, and considering how much of a pain donuts are to make, I'll be sad if I can't access them readily when I make a breakfast joint.

For real though, absolute win if there are fewer donuts but you can make a bunch of them, easy peasy, as a chef.

Nah, this is fine. I've seen far more rounds where a cook goes nuts making a ton of shit that nobody touches than ones where people starve because there isn't one.

If there's not a cook, promote someone to be one? Or have botany do both jobs? It's not difficult. The only reason this is being downvoted is that it's how y'all are used to playing.

E: Plus, even if there's no one willing to cook, Cargo can order food.

Just play moth.

I had a period where I would get INSANELY high and play chef, wearing the grill dad outfit and the flip flops.

I enjoyed it a lot. Carnivore box is always the best, and I would make stuff in bulk. So the crew, by 20 minutes, would have a great big spread of dozens of burgies, sliced pizzas, xeno and spiderbreads, and by that point I got started on the cakes and pastries. Cranking out a dozen or 2 burgies off rip is so ez.

People who tipped well got the bear burgurs.

carshalash wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:47 am If they do this i'm buffing donuts so you'll be able to make 6 donuts from one pastry base.

You already should with how people eat donuts and how much of a pain in the ass a cake is to make.

I have never once seen a round where there was no food available.

I want to experience a round where food scarcity is an actual problem someone has to go solve

That's sometimes the fun of Tramstation

Stickymayhem wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:38 pm I have never once seen a round where there was no food available.

I want to experience a round where food scarcity is an actual problem someone has to go solve

I had a lowpop manuel round a couple of days ago where I spawned in as a midshift botanist on tram
Went into the kitchen and saw a couple of gum packets spread out and decided I should probably try and fix the problem
Started with cheese wheels and progressed to an open bonfire grill with steaks
But seriously lowpop rounds often where there's no chef often turn to shit

My only input is that having a no frosted donuts available for certain recipes is bad.

also

Stickymayhem wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:38 pm I have never once seen a round where there was no food available.

I want to experience a round where food scarcity is an actual problem someone has to go solve

food scarcity is actually bad

world hunger is not a good thing

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:20 pm food scarcity is actually bad

world hunger is not a good thing

lol ok commie

From my experience as a chef it has always been weird that the start of the shift is the usual assortment of lads running over for their donuts/donkpockets. I still think that a box starting in the kitchen is good to hold over the tide while you get the real food ready.

carshalash wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:47 am If they do this i'm buffing donuts so you'll be able to make 6 donuts from one pastry base.

Could ya also increase donks made from 1 to 2?

Stickymayhem wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:25 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:20 pm food scarcity is actually bad

world hunger is not a good thing

lol ok commie

fuck off vatnik the holodomor was a deliberate genocide

slava ukraini

I know how to make cheese wheels so i'm fine with it

Excellent change

Hopefully we can also remove the three spray cleaner bottles from every department in Delta, so the janitor will actually have something to do as well

might as well remove half the medikits too so the doctor has more job content - Wait..but what if all of these roles get subverted or put out of commission?

This game is becoming hard mode in front of our eyes

Can't wait for robotics round start materials do be removed. They should have to wait for the miners to deliver goods same as everyone else.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:04 am

Stickymayhem wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:25 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:20 pm food scarcity is actually bad

world hunger is not a good thing

lol ok commie

fuck off vatnik the holodomor was a deliberate genocide

slava ukraini

I also do not like the holodomer I've already cancelled it in a scathing 9-part twitter thread thank you very much

Literally putting the most food on the smallest maps and the least food on the biggest ones

Food shouldnt be important in this game. If your a chef player you should fuck off and go play cooking mama or something

I've far more often been barely able to keep up with demand as chef any time I try to cook dishes more complex than plain burger than I've seen tables groaning under piles of food like it used to

I love to imagine the crew raiding cargo so they can order pizzas en masse with the station budget

I steal the donuts I find lying around as chef to improve my breakfast menu, and I always see donk pockets used mostly for healing than food

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:49 pm Food shouldnt be important in this game. If your a chef player you should fuck off and go play cooking mama or something

fuck you.

Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:31 pm I steal the donuts I find lying around as chef to improve my breakfast menu, and I always see donk pockets used mostly for healing than food

I make donk pocket pizzas.

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:49 pm Food shouldnt be important in this game. If your a chef player you should fuck off and go play cooking mama or something

Assistant main.

If you haven't experienced a food shortage you mustn't play the game very often because it happens a lot and it's not fun or interesting to experience. Everybody gets to move around incredibly slowly for 20 minutes until somebody decides to take it upon themselves to fix it. This usually involves getting a pizza crate from cargo, though once I saw somebody use the public garden to grow watermelons.

Nobody wants to take the time out of what they're doing to do somebody else's job for them, and although I've often been the one to order a pizza crate it can be difficult to get the access to the department to do so.

One time somebody directed me to a drink dispenser to get a cup of sugar, which is an oversight I don't see discussed that often but does the trick too. It's not something I usually remember to do if the cook sucks/is absent/is doing tourist bots, though.

The need for all this food sitting around the place is a symptom of how shitty the chef job is, where recipes are tedious to put together, require constant tabbing out to a wiki page and finding things in the crafting menu which are frequently miscategorised (or in "misc") and still doesn't have a search bar. I fucking hate anything that involves mixing reagents as cook, too. Making cake batter can fuck off.

You also have no way of knowing what you should be cooking to keep up with demand, because nothing tells you the nutritive value of what you're making, and usually that thing you spent 5 - 10 minutes putting together is demolished by somebody in a few seconds and is only one of about three things they have to eat to completely refill their nutrition bar.

IRL you have the time taken to make something, the difficulty/complexity and the amount of people it serves written on the recipe. Something comparable, at least on the wiki, to sort recipes by would be useful.That way players could start out with the easy/filling/quick stuff and then move onto more complex and interesting dishes once they have that kind of base amount of food covered.

I know that some people really enjoy the chef gameplay and have no trouble keeping up with demand, and I wish there was some sort of zero bullshit guide on what to make on the wiki so newer players (and people who just don't enjoy Cook despite trying to get into it so have never learned) can keep up with demand too.

>day after the food snap PR
>chef on manuel decides his gimmick is "i'm going to be a disgusting fat slob and only serve deep fried literal trash"
>nothing to eat but deep fried tin cans and bar stools

based

honestly food should probably be rebalanced sometime as a whole but i blew all my gbp on a one line balance change and im lazy

Agreed. The more ingredients/complex a recipe is. The longer it should last

thomanthewise5404 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:49 pm Food shouldnt be important in this game. If your a chef player you should fuck off and go play cooking mama or something

cooking mama pot minigame pr when......................

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:19 am honestly food should probably be rebalanced sometime as a whole but i blew all my gbp on a one line balance change and im lazy

Someone kind of fucked cooking pretty hard when they added in the grill and oven.

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:19 am honestly food should probably be rebalanced sometime as a whole but i blew all my gbp on a one line balance change and im lazy

I once started working on a complex system of evaluating nutriment a food should have based off of the number of ingredients and their rarity, but I got lazy.

It IS odd how drinks, which are almost overwhelmingly easier to make than food dishes, have a much wider variety of special effects and traits which interact with them than food does. More food items should have beneficial effects! Make it so that manufacturing a bunch of plain burgers doesn't have the same net effect as planning a lovely five-course meal.

Valorium wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:59 pm It IS odd how drinks, which are almost overwhelmingly easier to make than food dishes, have a much wider variety of special effects and traits which interact with them than food does. More food items should have beneficial effects! Make it so that manufacturing a bunch of plain burgers doesn't have the same net effect as planning a lovely five-course meal.

Food code is unfortunately, too fucked at the moment.

Farquaar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:52 pm

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:19 am honestly food should probably be rebalanced sometime as a whole but i blew all my gbp on a one line balance change and im lazy

I once started working on a complex system of evaluating nutriment a food should have based off of the number of ingredients and their rarity, but I got lazy.

If you ever feel like picking it up again, I'd be super down.

I've long felt that food's mood buffs, relative to the effort put in, are much too small and too short-lasting when you can generally do almost as well chugging beakers of sugar.

I agree it does feel punishing to spend time making cool rare and complicated foods only for them to be wolfed down in less than a single hunger bar. Might as well just speedline cheeseburgers and get three times as many people fed

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 1:06 am

Farquaar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:52 pm

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:19 am honestly food should probably be rebalanced sometime as a whole but i blew all my gbp on a one line balance change and im lazy

I once started working on a complex system of evaluating nutriment a food should have based off of the number of ingredients and their rarity, but I got lazy.

If you ever feel like picking it up again, I'd be super down.

I've long felt that food's mood buffs, relative to the effort put in, are much too small and too short-lasting when you can generally do almost as well chugging beakers of sugar.

Maybe one day. I lost a lot of the work I already did on it though on an old hard drive.