Puts secure SM shards as decorations for cargo, throws flashbangs, gets a 183 day ban peanut

[InfiniteGalaxies]

Weirdest Ban Appeal I've ever seen, also what a harsh admin jeez bro. Sybil moment.

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I saw this i just HAD to make a peanut of it

[The Wrench]

That’s a shit ban, and I hope they get it overturned. It is *NEVER* morally wrong to admin complaint banbots.

[Shadowflame909]

Admin might of been having a bad round. Because in a vacuum thats a poopy ban that should instead be turned into an antag token lmao

[Tearling]

There could be more to it but on the surface this looks like a bad ban.

[InfiniteGalaxies]

this is a true sybil moment.

[mindstormy]

Throwing flashbangs into wormholes is objectively hilarious. I haven't looked at the logs but this looks like a really bad ban and I hope it gets overturned.

[The Wrench]

The admemes funny murderbone got cucked by a portal flashbang

[Boot]

guys calm down we can't expect every trialmin to get every ban correct. Just accept that nothing is going to change and touch some grass.

edit: "Irresponsibility to safely contain something as dangerous as a supermatter crystal in a public area as a non antagonist is the reason for the ban." Literally behind plasmaglass that only gets activated because of a meme pr. Just remember to blow a kiss at any SM you see because it doesn't matter how many safety precautions Brick sets up he'll take the flack for it.

[Tearling]

guys calm down we can't expect every trialmin to get every ban correct. Just accept that nothing is going to change and touch some grass.

Is this suppose to be a joke?

[Pandarsenic]

Ban the dude who exploited a bug to set off the shard, not the person who didn't reinforce the shard against bug abuse

[Boot]

oh my god kisses arn't logged as emotes are they.

[massa]

I like his name, it's a certified felinid name.

I've overturned this ban via rule 0.

[Shadowflame909]

>mfw my emote teleports through glass and blows up an sm crystal

>gets the person who set it up banned for me destroying the station with anomalies

whoever bug abused is a powerful foe with giga chad energy

[Pandarsenic]

My goal for today is to kick start a CO2 engine by blowing kisses at it

[blackdav123]

Ban the dude who exploited a bug to set off the shard, not the person who didn't reinforce the shard against bug abuse

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/63858 feature btw

[sinfulbliss]

Ordering a shard and containing it with plasmaglass is a pretty damn good measure to store it. The cargo ban shouldn't even be being upheld.

Also kissing an SM to delam it is objectively hilarious and anyone who gets mad at the following explosion and damage is a crybaby.

I don't wanna say it but what's with all these extremely dubious trialadmin bans recently? Is the recent cycle not trained enough or something because it feels like they're doling bans out too carelessly. You shouldn't be banning someone for 180 days period for this, an appeal shouldn't have been necessary.

[Pandarsenic]

Ban the dude who exploited a bug to set off the shard, not the person who didn't reinforce the shard against bug abuse

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/63858 feature btw

We were DECEIVED by Goof's deleted post!

Still, the point stands - if you're gonna ban someone, it should be the person who activated it, same as if someone ran up with a stolen laser and powered it that way as a nonantag.

BUT ALSO since no bug abuse

JUST DON'T BAN ANYONE

Also kissing an SM to delam it is objectively hilarious and anyone who gets mad at the following explosion and damage is a crybaby.

People doing stupid stuff and having catastrophic accidents unfold is the heart of SS13! Let it happen, laugh it off. It's just one round.

[massa]

we're getting some absolutely insane appeals lately and I am totally here for it

[Farquaar]

I'm not an admin, so I don't know what the admin training process is like. But I think that the idea that "you're not here to punish naughty behaviour, you're just here to make sure people are having fun" should be formally hammered in to every new trialmin's brain.

[Omega_DarkPotato]

I don't wanna say it but what's with all these extremely dubious trialadmin bans recently? Is the recent cycle not trained enough or something because it feels like they're doling bans out too carelessly. You shouldn't be banning someone for 180 days period for this, an appeal shouldn't have been necessary.

admiralawesome isnt a trialadmin?

[Kendrickorium]

I've had to deal with, and observed this shitter multiple times

I only see him every so often but it's pretty clear he only plays on tg to grief

good riddance to this trash, stay gone

[Annihilite111]

This ban is bullshit. Making extremely dangerous contraptions with zero concern for health and safety is a time honored tradition on space station 13!
When a xenomorph egg is found in science, the research director WILL decide that raising a brood of captive xenomorphs is a great idea.
When the captain falls into the gas chamber in the bar the atmos tech that made it might be executed, but he isn't banned!
HFR BYOS shuttle? You bet!
Romerol zoo going horribly wrong and causing the zombie apocalypse? Yep!
It's a research station in the middle of nowhere filled with the most expendable and unstable personel nanotrasen could scrounge up. Of course you're gonna see cutting edge tech being horrifically misused by the poorly adjusted savants that populate it.
Free my boy. Cargo SM decoration sounds based

[BONERMASTER]

Exactly, disco inferno shuttle was life, and it takes an extremely small man to remove it from the game for "safety reasons".


With warm regards
-BONERMASTER

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Making a supermatter shard zoo is EXTREMELY funny and should be a positive commendation

[sinfulbliss]

admiralawesome isnt a trialadmin?

My B it’s hard to tell cause there’s no trialadmin role on forums.

Nevertheless I don’t take anything I said back about the ban, it’s extraordinarily bad and I wouldn’t expect it from a trialadmin much less a full admin.

Also wow this guy really did a good job defending the chaos of SS13 and why minor disturbances should be allowed. Probably the best appeal I’ve seen in a while

[YBS]

I'd like to defer to anti-shitter judgement but I'm not sure about this one.

If anything whoever kiss-spammed the sm shard into overload should be held accountable if they're weren't tot.
The logic that it's the SM orderers fault is kind of weak, like putting a TTV in a bag then banning the toxins scientist who left it there instead of the guy who detonated it.
This same metaphor wouldnt stick if you just left random trigger radios to bombs and then some new guy used it in hand.
But SM shards are pretty obviously labelled dangerous and kiss-spamming or lasering them is much more clearly antag behavior.

Everything I've read in the appeal so far seems like pretty standard fare Sybil behavior.
I'm also against knee-capping LRP chaos/stupidity that isn't flagrantly power-game self-antag.

Jortymorty also has a pretty okay record for an Epic Assistant Gamer.

In conclusion: Fucking trialmins we should headmin sinful

[Agux909]

Maybe noone needs to be punished sometimes, you know? Decorating with secured shards is a funny and dangerously creative idea. Delamming one or more with a kiss, even if a bug, is hilarious. Both are absurd, and fitting for the classic ss13 experience. At most a minor note if a ticket gets heated and shows clear signs of bad faith, so the behavior can be tracked. But what are these bans??

Did anyone ahelp this? Did anyone get round removed? Did this impact negatively the round as a whole for the majority? These are the questions that need to be asked, instead of "Do I personally like what this guy is doing?"

Admins need to stop validhunting for rulebreaks, seriously.

[Shadowflame909]

I'll play devils advocate and guess the admin was annoyed seeing the "sm delam woops" happen again.

There was once a player who would build a tesla in cargo, and somehow some-way the shields would go off and it'd get loose.

Fun the first time!

But then they did it again, again, again, and again. And at that point the fact that their tesla keeps getting loose and ending the round makes them more of dick then adding fun. Which is why they got noted and banned.

It's a cool one time thing. Just note and warn if it becomes a repeat gimmick by the same faces

[sinfulbliss]

Did anyone ahelp this? Did anyone get round removed? Did this impact negatively the round as a whole for the majority? These are the questions that need to be asked, instead of "Do I personally like what this guy is doing?"

These are extremely dangerous questions admins do not want you to ask.

[FleaMcP]

This is the result of the MRP takeover! The values and entertainment of Sybil and Bagil will fade away in place of RP-friendly “fun.” Soon, admins on LRP will issue permabans when poor souls miss the minimum sentence count of 35 per post, and no one will even be allowed to utter the word “Manuel” unless they hold a PhD in the English Language or equivalent.

These are the end times. Sell your stocks in /tg/station while you still can.

[NoxVS]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

[Rohen_Tahir]

This is the result of the MRP takeover! The values and entertainment of Sybil and Bagil will fade away in place of RP-friendly “fun.” Soon, admins on LRP will issue permabans when poor souls miss the minimum sentence count of 35 per post, and no one will even be allowed to utter the word “Manuel” unless they hold a PhD in the English Language or equivalent.

These are the end times. Sell your stocks in /tg/station while you still can.

Buy blockbuster $BLIAQ

[wesoda25]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

Seems very uncharitable to assume the worst faith motivation possible imo. Unless he has a history or something then ig I can’t fault you for coming to that conclusion, though still pretty unfair.

[cacogen]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

yeah imagine something cool and fun happening, what a terrible fate

[sinfulbliss]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

You are right. We should pad every nook and cranny in the game. Turn it into a hugbox, get rid of chaos, and keep everyone having a good fun RP experience

[Not-Dorsidarf]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

"Oh boy, I hope nobody uses an incredibly niche rule-breaking exploit abuse to blow up this amusing potential hazard I put extra effort into keeping intact! Boy howdy I'd hate to be banned for the next 2,900 rounds of ss13 if that happened! "

[NoxVS]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

"Oh boy, I hope nobody uses an incredibly niche rule-breaking exploit abuse to blow up this amusing potential hazard I put extra effort into keeping intact! Boy howdy I'd hate to be banned for the next 2,900 rounds of ss13 if that happened! "

"extra effort into keeping intact" is usually some degree of cooling

[SkeletalElite]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

"Oh boy, I hope nobody uses an incredibly niche rule-breaking exploit abuse to blow up this amusing potential hazard I put extra effort into keeping intact! Boy howdy I'd hate to be banned for the next 2,900 rounds of ss13 if that happened! "

Blowing a kiss at the SM shard giving it energy is intentional https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/63858

[Shadowflame909]

Buy blockbuster $BLIAQ

Legendary insult....

[Tearling]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

"Oh boy, I hope nobody uses an incredibly niche rule-breaking exploit abuse to blow up this amusing potential hazard I put extra effort into keeping intact! Boy howdy I'd hate to be banned for the next 2,900 rounds of ss13 if that happened! "

"extra effort into keeping intact" is usually some degree of cooling

Usually? Have you managed to convince yourself that anything about this situation is usual, especially the SM crystal decorations that were protected behind solid plasmaglass, and unless some weird obscure mechanic was abused, shouldn't have started to delam?

If he did install a cooling system, and someone broke the plasmaglass causing it to delam, you could use this same logic to say he should have installed 2 layers of plasma glass just to be extra careful. And if 2 layers were broken? He should have told security to guard the crystals first. He very clearly tried to protect the crystals behind plasmaglass, that should be enough to settle any discussion on his motive.

[NoxVS]

"Oh boy, I sure do hope no one sabotages this dangerous device I made, that would be TERRIBLE and result in so much death and destruction!"
*winks at camera*

"Oh boy, I hope nobody uses an incredibly niche rule-breaking exploit abuse to blow up this amusing potential hazard I put extra effort into keeping intact! Boy howdy I'd hate to be banned for the next 2,900 rounds of ss13 if that happened! "

"extra effort into keeping intact" is usually some degree of cooling

Usually? Have you managed to convince yourself that anything about this situation is usual, especially the SM crystal decorations that were protected behind solid plasmaglass, and unless some weird obscure mechanic was abused, shouldn't have started to delam?

If he did install a cooling system, and someone broke the plasmaglass causing it to delam, you could use this same logic to say he should have installed 2 layers of plasma glass just to be extra careful. And if 2 layers were broken? He should have told security to guard the crystals first. He very clearly tried to protect the crystals behind plasmaglass, that should be enough to settle any discussion on his motive.

Lasers go through glass, a single laser shot would delaminate it. Possession of a laser based gun isn't really an obscure mechanic.

And nah, I couldn't use this same logic. If you put in the effort to stop the lowest effort sabotages, I don't really see a problem with it. Cooling, at least something like a reinforced glass so some guy with a crowbar doesn't just bash it open, that feels like adequate safety measures to me.

[Pandarsenic]

You can't really install cooling without access to an RPD and half-decent knowledge of atmos.

[NoxVS]

You can't really install cooling without access to an RPD and half-decent knowledge of atmos.

Then don't mess around with supermatters?
RPDs are easy to get, cooling is easy to set up. Scrubbers take in gas, it goes into space with the heat exchange thingies, filter out everything but nitrogen, it gets vented back in.

[BONERMASTER]

You got a stick in your ass, brother. You as a whole should come to terms with how this game should be treated, because you have funny and wacky non-sense mechanics on the one hand, and on the other we got you jannies punishing the shit out of anyone that does not behave like a rational fucking robot.

You blasting this guy, because he didn't protect against the possibility of someone blowing a kiss and detonating an SM shard, is just peak absurdity, literal Kafka at this point.
Either we all go nuts on this nonsense station and stuff blows up, or you stop merging retard code.


With deranged regards
-BONERMASTER

[Pandarsenic]

Then don't mess around with supermatters?

I agree with you on a lot of stuff but I tend to prefer if, short of outright malicious troublemaking, players are free to implement their bad ideas and then try to figure out solutions when these ideas are disastrous in utterly predictable ways or to just stare in silent awe as they go wrong in dramatically unpredictable ways. Even on HRP servers, people are expected to (within reason) have exceptionally bad ideas that results in *BWOINK* "Okay hindsight is 20/20 but the idea seemed fine at the time." It is good, proper, and normal for Nanotrasen's Finest to engage in OSHA noncompliance nightmares driven by curiosity, vanity, one-upmanship, ignorance or outright stupidity, greed, envy, petty vengefulness, etc. - to demonstrate what can only be described as a dwarven level of disregard for reasons that can only really be described as "I didn't think that far ahead."

[Annihilite111]

You can't really install cooling without access to an RPD and half-decent knowledge of atmos.

Then don't mess around with supermatters?
RPDs are easy to get, cooling is easy to set up. Scrubbers take in gas, it goes into space with the heat exchange thingies, filter out everything but nitrogen, it gets vented back in.

They weren't being used as engines. They were inactive and intended as decoration. By having plasmaglass around the shards he prevented like 99% of possible low effort attempts to grief it (literally all physical projectiles and thrown items) and a dude with a laser could have just as easily broken a few pipes in the actual SM and then lasered it for the same effect. Him not knowing that kisses turns the supermatter into a raging red firestorm isn't a good enough reason for a 4 month b&, and neither is "extensive note history". Daily reminder that you guys aren't supposed to use notes as a way to kick bans down the street for another admin to deal with, which means that his note history by definition isn't enough to get him banned on its own

[chocolate_bickie]

You can't really install cooling without access to an RPD and half-decent knowledge of atmos.

Then don't mess around with supermatters?
RPDs are easy to get, cooling is easy to set up. Scrubbers take in gas, it goes into space with the heat exchange thingies, filter out everything but nitrogen, it gets vented back in.

...
Daily reminder that you guys aren't supposed to use notes as a way to kick bans down the street for another admin to deal with...

Objectively untrue.

[Mothblocks]

Either we all go nuts on this nonsense station and stuff blows up, or you stop merging retard code.

...Who does

[Rohen_Tahir]

You can't really install cooling without access to an RPD and half-decent knowledge of atmos.

Then don't mess around with supermatters?
RPDs are easy to get, cooling is easy to set up. Scrubbers take in gas, it goes into space with the heat exchange thingies, filter out everything but nitrogen, it gets vented back in.

NoxVS shopping:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1btDc5xJe0

[BONERMASTER]

Either we all go nuts on this nonsense station and stuff blows up, or you stop merging retard code.

...Who does

Wh- Like, making a kiss blow up the supermatter crystal?
Again, this is stupid as hell, but in the context of a wacky, zany murdersimulator game, this is the kind of thing that you'd expect. But you don't expect a janni to turn around and ban you for half a fucking year because you didn't take into account all the various demented ways, like blowing a kiss through solidified plasmaglass, through which your crystal could be detonated.

Besides, everything concerning these supermatter crystals should have been left for the players to handle, that's what the security department is for, that builds player initiative, that creates stories. If you (Admiral Awesome) can't figure this out as a janni that's been doing this for one year, give your rank to me, I'll make better use of it.


XOXO
-BONERMASTER