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Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Annihilite111 » #640047

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Someone explain to me how an antag escalating a robbery into violence constitutes boning in the first place. The boning rules are meant to stop zero dialogue ambush sprees, but this dude seems to have engaged the roboticists in a tense and exciting roleplaying situation before he went for the kill. That seems to be entirely within the spirit of MRP, unless the boning rules aren't there to protect roleplaying but to restrict it to a narrow range of relationships.
This is like organ thieves being banned/noted for kidnapping people and doing maint surgery instead of taking the easier path and disemboweling monkeys. Like yeah he didn't HAVE to rob them but antagonists are allegedly encouraged to engage with objectives in ways that are interesting rather than optimal.
The worst part is that he's apologising for a completely undeserved perma he already sat out months of. Unban this man and give him 10 antag tokens or something idk.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by tjatpbnj » #640058

Manuel needs less admins i think
look in the spanner box got no thing in there cant do go sailing in em
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Pandarsenic » #640064

Wait did the """victims""" seriously attack first?
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by datorangebottle » #640066

Why the fuck was this a ban?
Timberpoes wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm ImageAnother satisfied Timberpoes voter.Image
Timberpoes wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
Chadley wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:00 am WENDEZ, cute, cute. I imagine the sleeper activation code when I hear it. That's pretty cool. qB). But I don't like that it doesn't line up to be anything obsurd like WEWLAD. 6/10

SUGMA, nevermind it makes sense now. fuckyou/10
kieth4 wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:34 pm If it goes to appeals I will stand as the shield and protect this man's right to shit himself. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
sinfulbliss wrote: I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by massa » #640067

>I am escalating this from a note to a permaban

Manuel escalation policy is dank as fuck. Roleplay communities attract these types. Every time I see these Manuel note hogs appeal their bans I know they'd be right at home on Sybil.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Itseasytosee2me » #640101

During around when Campbell was popping off, I desworded the RD to death because I told them to give me their ID and they said no.

I could have just bought tools and hacked in to kill my target, but getting it from the RD was more convenient, and it made for a fun conversation when two people came out of cargo and were wondering why I was standing over the RD's body covered in blood.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Boot » #640104

7 months for mugging someone and killing them after they attacked you first as an antag. Absolutely insane.
Also another great instance of "sorry bud your notes arn't spotless so enjoy the perma :)"
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by chocolate_bickie » #640106

Boot wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 8:45 pm 7 months for mugging someone and killing them after they attacked you first as an antag. Absolutely insane.
Also another great instance of "sorry bud your notes arn't spotless so enjoy the perma :)"
Notes aren't a punishment.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Farquaar » #640110

I'm no Joachim Straub fan but this was an incredibly flimsy ban. If you're going to pick something as the "last straw", pick something that actually violates the spirit of the rules.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by jortsandshirts » #640124

Wow.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Kendrickorium » #640125

>For some context, your note/ban history is exceptionally extensive and the reason why myself and a handful of others gave you many chances was because we genuinely believed you were on the right track since you went without a note for approximately two months.

sounds like the guy was a troublemaker

that being said, the murders were over INTERNALS?
perma might be excessive, but murdering two people over INTERNALS?

come on now.

also manuel sucks.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Itseasytosee2me » #640128

Kendrickorium wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:06 am >For some context, your note/ban history is exceptionally extensive and the reason why myself and a handful of others gave you many chances was because we genuinely believed you were on the right track since you went without a note for approximately two months.

sounds like the guy was a troublemaker

that being said, the murders were over INTERNALS?
perma might be excessive, but murdering two people over INTERNALS?

come on now.

also manuel sucks.
To be fair, he needed internals
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by tjatpbnj » #640132

Kendrickorium wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:06 am >For some context, your note/ban history is exceptionally extensive and the reason why myself and a handful of others gave you many chances was because we genuinely believed you were on the right track since you went without a note for approximately two months.

sounds like the guy was a troublemaker

that being said, the murders were over INTERNALS?
perma might be excessive, but murdering two people over INTERNALS?

come on now.

also manuel sucks.
If they wanted internals, why would the roboticists not just give them internals to avoid being murdered. Seems like a simple exchange
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by spookuni » #640134

Manuel's murderboning rules make specific reference to players attempting (or appearing to attempt) to subvert them by actively manufacturing circumstances where they can kill people to consistently maximise their bodycount - taking a flimsy kill occasionally is fine and is part of the game and a natural consequence of players having imperfect and incomplete information, doing it consistently to the point of bragging about getting away with bad faith play on external discords is entirely different.

Having said that, six months is a long time and the worst outcome from an unban like this is "local man incapable of not being a massive gamer", so with a good vouch and some time off hopefully they're not going to fall back into old habits.
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Post by datorangebottle » #640136

Kendrickorium wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:06 am that being said, the murders were over INTERNALS?
perma might be excessive, but murdering two people over INTERNALS?

come on now.
he tried to mug them for their internals. they attacked him instead of just giving him the oxygen tank. seems like a reasonable situation to get murdered in. what kind of fucking baby ahelps because they took the risky path instead of just giving the crazy guy what he wants so he'd go away?
Timberpoes wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm ImageAnother satisfied Timberpoes voter.Image
Timberpoes wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
Chadley wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:00 am WENDEZ, cute, cute. I imagine the sleeper activation code when I hear it. That's pretty cool. qB). But I don't like that it doesn't line up to be anything obsurd like WEWLAD. 6/10

SUGMA, nevermind it makes sense now. fuckyou/10
kieth4 wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:34 pm If it goes to appeals I will stand as the shield and protect this man's right to shit himself. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
sinfulbliss wrote: I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Longestarmlonglaw » #640138

if your in science, internals is piss easy to come by, just give term, and get another one somewhere in science, or print a new tank and fill it in toxins assuming skeleton crew, even then just hack in
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Kendrickorium » #640139

datorangebottle wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 5:23 am
Kendrickorium wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:06 am that being said, the murders were over INTERNALS?
perma might be excessive, but murdering two people over INTERNALS?

come on now.
he tried to mug them for their internals. they attacked him instead of just giving him the oxygen tank. seems like a reasonable situation to get murdered in. what kind of fucking baby ahelps because they took the risky path instead of just giving the crazy guy what he wants so he'd go away?
oh yeah. i forgot they actually attacked first. bad ban.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Annihilite111 » #640144

spookuni wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 5:01 am Manuel's murderboning rules make specific reference to players attempting (or appearing to attempt) to subvert them by actively manufacturing circumstances where they can kill people to consistently maximise their bodycount - taking a flimsy kill occasionally is fine and is part of the game and a natural consequence of players having imperfect and incomplete information, doing it consistently to the point of bragging about getting away with bad faith play on external discords is entirely different.

Having said that, six months is a long time and the worst outcome from an unban like this is "local man incapable of not being a massive gamer", so with a good vouch and some time off hopefully they're not going to fall back into old habits.
Mugging someone for something as trivially replacable as internals isn't "manufacturing circumstances where they can kill". The roboticists could have just handed their air tanks over and gotten new ones in like 2 minutes, but decided to go full lethal instead. They escalated this, not him.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by NecromancerAnne » #640145

I think once you have someone who definitely is teetering on a perma, their actions get immense amounts of scrutiny, because their general patterns suggest consistent bad faith. Hell, you probably do it yourself when you encounter someone who has a bad habit of, say, talkbaiting. You just don't trust them not to abuse it, and your own reaction to anything remotely liable to result in that behaviour occurring is likely to get you to jump to conclusions about them.

A flimsy ban sucks, but if it took a flimsy ban to yeet them out of the server after 2 months good behavior, that's a razor's edge ban right there. That suggests a very colored history.
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Annihilite111 » #640162

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Kek. Still a bad ban tho
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by Not-Dorsidarf » #640218

This note needs to be updated because not mentioning that they attacked him in such a thunderingly judgmental note is poisoning the well for the next admin to come along
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Re: Manuel """boning""" appealnut

Post by cacogen » #640239

I don't understand why admins can't stick to objective fact in notes? Why do they need to spin things to make the player look worse than they really are and make themselves look more justified in placing the note? Surely if the note was worth placing you wouldn't need the added bullshit
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