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Buying terrible shuttles as captain - Allowed, but the crew is also allowed to mutiny/lynch the captain.

t's less about which shuttle the captain buys, and more the grief caused by buying that specific one.

Shuttles that are emag-locked are typically used to grief the crew, as are the Arena and cult shuttles.

Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 4:09 pm what shuttles are considered "terrible" but not grief then? That seems suspiciously subjective if it doesn't relate to any actual danger.

technokek wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 4:19 pm

Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 4:09 pm what shuttles are considered "terrible" but not grief then? That seems suspiciously subjective if it doesn't relate to any actual danger.

Read the policy thread. It clearly states all emagged shuttles are dangerous territory.

Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 4:51 pm

technokek wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 4:19 pm

Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 4:09 pm what shuttles are considered "terrible" but not grief then? That seems suspiciously subjective if it doesn't relate to any actual danger.

Read the policy thread. It clearly states all emagged shuttles are dangerous territory.

I asked which shuttles were lynch worthy but not grief.

BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:10 pm -snip

just let the disco inferno be free for everyone to use, like it once was, and leave at least ONE fun thing in the game without ruining it.

-snip-

san7890 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:13 pm Code issue: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/62056 . I invite you to look at the upvotes that PR has as well.

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:23 am i don't think he would have been lynched unless he announced he was buying it to everyone, it censors the name of who buys it

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:40 pm Personally when I read the related policy “grief” and “terrible” seem interchangeable. Am I missing something?

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:43 pm Also, what happened to the original ruling? Both wiki links seems to go to the most recent one, which as far as I can tell was only meant to clarify what shuttles were included under the og.

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:00 amI dont agree

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:48 am Ty tattle!

(ignkring u cyan )

cSeal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:06 am

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:48 am Ty tattle!

(ignkring u cyan )

i am going to pay the headmins to permaban you for cyan disrespect

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:22 am

cSeal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:06 am

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:48 am Ty tattle!

(ignkring u cyan )

i am going to pay the headmins to permaban you for cyan disrespect

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cSeal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:26 am

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:22 am
Snrrmkkkkloklkkkk

1 week time out. no snrk posting in peanut threads.

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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:17 am Techno stop peanut posting your shit on ban appeal threads, it’s extremely annoying to have to defend yourself against not only the person who noted you but also a random forumposter that wants to put their two cents in.

That aside - I agree with Typhnox. The ruling clearly states bad shuttles are allowed but make you lynchable. I even recall in the thread “Arena” was specifically listed as an example of a bad shuttle that would be allowed, and in my view is no different than Disco Inferno in terms of how many people it kills.

Also the fact people had the option to go in the safer part of the shuttle, instead of the dangerous part, and willingly chose to enter the more dangerous part, speaks volumes.

cSeal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:05 am

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:40 pm Personally when I read the related policy “grief” and “terrible” seem interchangeable. Am I missing something?

Terrible probably refers to shuttles that are just bad, ones that are annoying but not deadly- like the luxury shuttle
i wouldnt call something like that grief, but it is terrible
meanwhile some shuttles will just straight up kill you
its a pretty big distinction imo

technokek wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 5:46 am I am on post approval in the FNR forum.

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 6:27 am

technokek wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 5:46 am I am on post approval in the FNR forum.

Owned

american

Farquaar wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:15 pm Why do people get mad when they're killed on the shuttle anyway? You'll be back in the game in less than five minutes

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:53 pm

Farquaar wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:15 pm Why do people get mad when they're killed on the shuttle anyway? You'll be back in the game in less than five minutes

Generally I prepare something for EORG and get really mad when someone takes that away from me by killing me before the shuttle reaches central.

Dragomagol wrote:It's less about which shuttle the captain buys, and more the grief caused by buying that specific one. The Birdboat Shuttle isn't a traditional "grief" shuttle, but buying it when the crew is saving up for a more expensive shuttle or has agreed to make a BYOS could be cause for mutiny. Shuttles that are emag-locked are typically used to grief the crew, as are the Arena and cult shuttles.

NamelessFairy wrote:Given that the worst offending shuttles are now locked behind emagging the communication console we'll continue to consider captains buying terrible shuttles to be worthy of mutiny/lynching as the past headmin ruling states.

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:58 pm I'm loving these admins being on the pro-grief side of things (genuinely, SS13 is a game built around chaos)

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 10:16 pm Relevant headmin precedent about the policy:

Dragomagol wrote:It's less about which shuttle the captain buys, and more the grief caused by buying that specific one. The Birdboat Shuttle isn't a traditional "grief" shuttle, but buying it when the crew is saving up for a more expensive shuttle or has agreed to make a BYOS could be cause for mutiny. Shuttles that are emag-locked are typically used to grief the crew, as are the Arena and cult shuttles.

NamelessFairy wrote:Given that the worst offending shuttles are now locked behind emagging the communication console we'll continue to consider captains buying terrible shuttles to be worthy of mutiny/lynching as the past headmin ruling states.

Headmins decided what shuttles were grief shuttles to determine which shuttles the cap could be mutinied for. If the cap orders a shuttle that griefs the crew, they become valid to the crew. That is what is mentioned - there is no implication it is ever rulebreaking. It even explicitly mentions certain clear non-grief shuttles like Birdboat - which can, in certain circumstances, be considered a grief shuttle and thus cause for mutiny from the crew. It's a misreading to read this and gather that a cap can be noted for "grief" for ordering Birdboat. So Techno your reading comprehension is scheiße.

I don't blame the admin at all though, they were reasonable and the precedent could have been a bit clearer that they didn't consider this type of "grief" to be the same type that's in the rules as rulebreaking "grief."

technokek wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 10:45 pm Also griefing is against the rules and your are stupid.

jortsandshirts wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 4:12 am What a dumb reason to ban someone.

The system is designed with checks and balances. If one buys a flaming shitheap shuttle they're open to being lynched fair and square. That leads to fun on a bun and who suffers? Someone looking to get their greentext?
They get advanced warning a shuttle of peril is coming, prepare for it like a big boy and deal with adversity as it comes. The fuck is even going on here with this thinking.

Oh no, you may not "win" a game that isn't fun at all by definition when people focus on winning. I mean or you could prepare in the many ways that will let you survive the shuttle and see it as an extra challenge. Did anybody even ahelp this or was it just an admin who got their beanbag in a knot about something in their day and looked for people to shit on? A terrible shuttle is part and parcel of this fucking game which is why so many exist. Gigafractal, Inferno, etc. A note is a little much for this but a ban of anykind is just overkill and goes against the whole spirit of the damn game. Your coworkers are just as dangerous as the Spaze Wizards turning your vending machines into sentient killing machines. Welcome to SS13.

If this was ahelped, ahelper needs to fuck off to Manuel.
If this wasn't ahelped this ban needs to fuck off and the admin needs to fuck off to Manuel.

Stop trying to force your stupid ideas of what SS13 is on the community. This place is OSHA violations gangbanging the Stanford Prison Experiment rolled into a tortilla made of Sealab 2021 smothered in absurdist humour salsa picante. Instead of being a banhappy fuck why not add a little more chexmix and balances to it by looking into coding up some cabbage that throws a punishment RNG into the mix. If El Capitano or another head orders a bad shuttle there's a chance they get insta-cargo podded and kersplotted while a benign shuttle gets ordered instead. Oops, NanoTrasen brand shuttle ordering tech what you gonna do. There, fixed. If the order a bad shuttle there's a chance they will get it and be lynched, there's a chance they might get popped by a faulty software coded by a two-bit Nanotrasen, or hell add that they need to swipe their ID again to confirm and there's yet another chance it just eats their ID and does nothing. Fucking NT and their trashheap station.

Literally any solution other than being a fucking Hitler just because you can.

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wesoda25 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 4:47 am

jortsandshirts wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 4:12 am What a dumb reason to ban someone.

The system is designed with checks and balances. If one buys a flaming shitheap shuttle they're open to being lynched fair and square. That leads to fun on a bun and who suffers? Someone looking to get their greentext?
They get advanced warning a shuttle of peril is coming, prepare for it like a big boy and deal with adversity as it comes. The fuck is even going on here with this thinking.

Oh no, you may not "win" a game that isn't fun at all by definition when people focus on winning. I mean or you could prepare in the many ways that will let you survive the shuttle and see it as an extra challenge. Did anybody even ahelp this or was it just an admin who got their beanbag in a knot about something in their day and looked for people to shit on? A terrible shuttle is part and parcel of this fucking game which is why so many exist. Gigafractal, Inferno, etc. A note is a little much for this but a ban of anykind is just overkill and goes against the whole spirit of the damn game. Your coworkers are just as dangerous as the Spaze Wizards turning your vending machines into sentient killing machines. Welcome to SS13.

If this was ahelped, ahelper needs to fuck off to Manuel.
If this wasn't ahelped this ban needs to fuck off and the admin needs to fuck off to Manuel.

Stop trying to force your stupid ideas of what SS13 is on the community. This place is OSHA violations gangbanging the Stanford Prison Experiment rolled into a tortilla made of Sealab 2021 smothered in absurdist humour salsa picante. Instead of being a banhappy fuck why not add a little more chexmix and balances to it by looking into coding up some cabbage that throws a punishment RNG into the mix. If El Capitano or another head orders a bad shuttle there's a chance they get insta-cargo podded and kersplotted while a benign shuttle gets ordered instead. Oops, NanoTrasen brand shuttle ordering tech what you gonna do. There, fixed. If the order a bad shuttle there's a chance they will get it and be lynched, there's a chance they might get popped by a faulty software coded by a two-bit Nanotrasen, or hell add that they need to swipe their ID again to confirm and there's yet another chance it just eats their ID and does nothing. Fucking NT and their trashheap station.

Literally any solution other than being a fucking Hitler just because you can.

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jortsandshirts wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 4:12 am snip