/tg/Station 13

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/67156

the last thing the game needs is more pointless tedium, particularly as a reference to another game where said debuff is considered excessive and nonsensical

Things I like about it: Crewmembers now have to take a break in a sectioned off part of the room which allows for easy stealth kills.

Things I don't like about it: That part of the game isnt really fun, and it doesnt involve any RP. It's most like one of the many timed actions on this game. Boring!!

goof pr bad? no shit moron

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 10:20 pm goof pr bad? no shit moron

no, they're not all bad. just the kneejerk balance changes he seems to do to rile people up and get attention, which seems to be most of them nowadays

People pay attention to their moods, what.

maxed mood keeps you fast and makes you drop into crit at 120 damage instead of 100 its worth powergaming mood

cacogen wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 10:48 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 10:20 pm goof pr bad? no shit moron

no, they're not all bad. just the kneejerk balance changes he seems to do to rile people up and get attention, which seems to be most of them nowadays

yes they are

None of the actual RP servers have ever implemented something like this, because they understand that RP comes from the communities efforts, and not through forcing them to via mechanics.

Goof is quite the believer in forcing things to work 'correctly' through game mechanics, rather than through administrative action or community culture

someone should vore goof

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 2:10 am Goof is quite the believer in forcing things to work 'correctly' through game mechanics, rather than through administrative action or community culture

I gave a desperate plea for him to actually think about the consequences of what he tries to do, but I don't think it'll work.

Every time I go to look at the PR it has a new feature. I am pretty sure if we wait long enough, this PR will eventually become an entirely new game and possibly attain sentience.

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 3:48 am

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 2:10 am Goof is quite the believer in forcing things to work 'correctly' through game mechanics, rather than through administrative action or community culture

I gave a desperate plea for him to actually think about the consequences of what he tries to do, but I don't think it'll work.

Your wisdom made me realize, chef and botanist are some of the first victims of "Interdepartmental cooperation" design

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 4:31 am

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 3:48 am

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 2:10 am Goof is quite the believer in forcing things to work 'correctly' through game mechanics, rather than through administrative action or community culture

I gave a desperate plea for him to actually think about the consequences of what he tries to do, but I don't think it'll work.

Your wisdom made me realize, chef and botanist are some of the first victims of "Interdepartmental cooperation" design

I play Chef, bartender and Botanist regularly so I am well aware of the flaws of this. It's nice when it works. Having that awesome dynamic with the chef as a Botanist (or vice versa) is awesome. But there're a lot of people who just...don't want to do anything other than their thing. Deep fried garbage/burgers/HUMAN FLESH GIMMICK for chefs, MUH DRUGS for Botany. It's easier for Botany to cover for a lack of chefs by just growing fruit and the like (though sadly we can't help lizards too easily...maybe Meatwheat, actually, or the productions of monkeys), but for chefs? Shit's rough if you can't get any ingredients, the ingredient console costs so much.

Bartender just cries if Botany doesn't want to work with them because there's nothing they can do about it except tell people they can't make the drink they want because no ingredients.

Just like how the changes made to power creates reliance on the engineering team being competent and not dead or antagonists. This creates reliance on the chef not being dead or an antag. Easy source of murderboning if you just poison all the food. Especially so since all other sources are now neutered (like that pr that removed all the donk pockets and donut boxes to create reliance on the chef) or completely nerfed into uselessness (vending machines)

Why the heck is there so much dependency on what is most likely literal antags who seek out to kill you? Design error anyone?

if goofball likes jerking off in the bar so much then he should go away to his furry server instead of shitting out these garbage prs

The funniest part of this PR is that the significant mood debuffs for eating without utensils/outside a dining room/while standing up/etc is silly in a video game, yet are factors massively important on your IRL psychological health, even if though I suspect that the majority of the people who play this game may pay little heed to that.

I can't wait to get a mood debuff for eating a slice of pizza without a fork.

Tearling wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 1:19 pm I can't wait to get a mood debuff for eating a slice of pizza without a fork.

https://youtu.be/pWFYBOgCl-Y

I like what that one guy said I'm going to bomb kitchen to destroy everyone's mood

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:38 am The funniest part of this PR is that the significant mood debuffs for eating without utensils/outside a dining room/while standing up/etc is silly in a video game, yet are factors massively important on your IRL psychological health, even if though I suspect that the majority of the people who play this game may pay little heed to that.

you know i've eaten cold spaghetti straight out of a pot with my hands while standing in the kitchen naked at 3 am and i didnt want to kill myself then but seeing goofball being allowed on the github got me eying the eject button

> Go kitchen
> Eat hotdog with bare hands
> Psychologist call Security on me
> Involuntarily committed
> Lunch time in asylum
> It's spaghetti
> No utensils because of suicide risk
> When will this cycle end?

If you don't want chefs to mainline burgers, try making other food recipies as simple, easy, and as much tactile fun to produce with all those onscreen steps

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 2:11 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:38 am The funniest part of this PR is that the significant mood debuffs for eating without utensils/outside a dining room/while standing up/etc is silly in a video game, yet are factors massively important on your IRL psychological health, even if though I suspect that the majority of the people who play this game may pay little heed to that.

you know i've eaten cold spaghetti straight out of a pot with my hands while standing in the kitchen naked at 3 am and i didnt want to kill myself then but seeing goofball being allowed on the github got me eying the eject button

Oh my lord, Craggg

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 2:11 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:38 am The funniest part of this PR is that the significant mood debuffs for eating without utensils/outside a dining room/while standing up/etc is silly in a video game, yet are factors massively important on your IRL psychological health, even if though I suspect that the majority of the people who play this game may pay little heed to that.

you know i've eaten cold spaghetti straight out of a pot with my hands while standing in the kitchen naked at 3 am and i didnt want to kill myself then but seeing goofball being allowed on the github got me eying the eject button

same because why not, im the king of my realm. my house, ill eat spaghetti with my hands if i want to and nobody can stop me

okay after playing with this testmerged for a bit I have come to the conclusion that getting 4 mood buffs for eating food in the only place it is ever at is kinda broken and awesome and im permanently at max sanity thanks goof

blackdav123 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 7:42 pm okay after playing with this testmerged for a bit I have come to the conclusion that getting 4 mood buffs for eating food in the only place it is ever at is kinda broken and awesome and im permanently at max sanity thanks goof

I love life

gulakki wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 2:52 am

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 2:11 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:38 am The funniest part of this PR is that the significant mood debuffs for eating without utensils/outside a dining room/while standing up/etc is silly in a video game, yet are factors massively important on your IRL psychological health, even if though I suspect that the majority of the people who play this game may pay little heed to that.

you know i've eaten cold spaghetti straight out of a pot with my hands while standing in the kitchen naked at 3 am and i didnt want to kill myself then but seeing goofball being allowed on the github got me eying the eject button

same because why not, im the king of my realm. my house, ill eat spaghetti with my hands if i want to and nobody can stop me

Ok I think the point I'm making here, is just because you can, doesn't mean you should. There's a reason for like all of human history, people have eaten together in specific dining settings... it makes you feel like less of a NEET, for lack of a better term.

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 11:52 pm

gulakki wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 2:52 am

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 2:11 pm

Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:38 am The funniest part of this PR is that the significant mood debuffs for eating without utensils/outside a dining room/while standing up/etc is silly in a video game, yet are factors massively important on your IRL psychological health, even if though I suspect that the majority of the people who play this game may pay little heed to that.

you know i've eaten cold spaghetti straight out of a pot with my hands while standing in the kitchen naked at 3 am and i didnt want to kill myself then but seeing goofball being allowed on the github got me eying the eject button

same because why not, im the king of my realm. my house, ill eat spaghetti with my hands if i want to and nobody can stop me

Ok I think the point I'm making here, is just because you can, doesn't mean you should. There's a reason for like all of human history, people have eaten together in specific dining settings... it makes you feel like less of a NEET, for lack of a better term.

Why would I deny what I am?

It's way healthier not to live like a NEET even if you are one

This thread making me feel this rn
https://youtu.be/QTYvoDhOfks