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Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 7:32 am**

I warned you about bar rp bro. you laughed but its here!! and maintainers seem to like it

The main PR already has a thread. So here are the other two.

Upsides of this: Players are mandated to have to interact with the bar area for good moodlets and food.

Downsides: Players are mandated to have to interact with the bar area for good moodlets and food.

I forsee no good here.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/67181
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/67178

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 7:46 am**

Shadowflame909 wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:32 am Downsides: Players are mandated to have to interact with the bar area for good moodlets and food. I forsee no good here.

"players are forced to somewhat interact with other players by forcing them to rely on items they cannot obtain on their own"
anything that makes this game a little less singleplayer is good. also if you don't thank the cook after you eat something from the kitchen i WILL slap you
the holodeck pet thing is bullshit but i frankly use it all the time and it'll be sad to see it go

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 7:50 am**

Imagine trying to ruin poor SILVER SLIME FOOD but leaving fucking "army of sentient simplemobs" and "ruin the whole station with a horde of golems" alone

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 8:23 am**

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:50 am Imagine trying to ruin poor SILVER SLIME FOOD but leaving fucking "army of sentient simplemobs" and "ruin the whole station with a horde of golems" alone

It's reaching the point where I want to see Goof banned from making PR's here. As I said in the one about Eating At Tables; he gets a broken arm and decides the best solution is to amputate.

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 8:32 am**

I have literally never seen silver slime be an issue.

Sure there have been xenobiologists that make ungodly amounts of food, but that food rarely leaves xenobio.

Goof really does need to be gitbanned

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 12:19 pm**

chocolate_bickie wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 8:32 am I have literally never seen silver slime be an issue.

Sure there have been xenobiologists that make ungodly amounts of food, but that food rarely leaves xenobio.

Goof really does need to be gitbanned

Only time I've seen what was clearly a shitload of silver slime food was latejoining a round that had been 8+ hours on Campbell, where it was of course the only food readily available on pretty much the whole station.

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 12:43 pm**

This is just getting to be pathetic.

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 12:52 pm**

I, for one, am shocked that goofball is opening a PR to implement a heavy-handed solution to a problem that doesn't exist. This is completely unprecedented.

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 1:09 pm**

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:50 am Imagine trying to ruin poor SILVER SLIME FOOD but leaving fucking "army of sentient simplemobs" and "ruin the whole station with a horde of golems" alone

Someone else is fixing those two already

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 1:47 pm**

other then sentience potion and i guess slime people. Xenobio doesnt really have anything that isnt better done by a different department or antags. So I wouldn't cope at a total overhaul as long as the first of the two remains.

But that is taking away from the point of this thread goof!! Your bar rp madness knows no end!!! After the crew is in the bar, how will we keep them in the bar?? Will we prevent antags from murdering those in the bar??? Will we require a mandatory emote in the bar (for good moodlets of course) Will I be forced to drink alcohol until my livers shutdown and im horizontal in the bar??

BAR RP IS NOT FOR MEEEEEE!!!!!!

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 1:54 pm**

wubli wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:46 am
Shadowflame909 wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:32 am Downsides: Players are mandated to have to interact with the bar area for good moodlets and food. I forsee no good here.
"players are forced to somewhat interact with other players by forcing them to rely on items they cannot obtain on their own"
anything that makes this game a little less singleplayer is good. also if you don't thank the cook after you eat something from the kitchen i WILL slap you
the holodeck pet thing is bullshit but i frankly use it all the time and it'll be sad to see it go

this pr is idiotic shit and you know it bro

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 3:52 pm**

Real chefs would rise to the challenge of silver slime food and make their spread more attractive. When you combine that with the fact that over 50% of the time chefs are either nonexistent or fail to churn out more than a box of donkpockets and a deep fried rat or two (god bless their hearts), there is absolutely no problem with an alternate food source that is rarely used anyways!

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 3:55 pm**

Sorry, pizza crates are now abusive towards the chef and nullify their job.

Going to need to see your pizza ordering license.

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 4:48 pm**

I'm just fully confused as to why silver slime food is suddenly seen as an issue. It's a fun variety of foods that isn't chef burgerspam (and I'm a really slow cook so it's nice to have something else take the edge off the amount of customers I have

).

You can lead a player to the bar but you can't make them bar RP.

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 4:53 pm**

dragomagol wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 4:48 pm You can lead a player to the bar but you can't make them bar RP.

Some people just really need to stretch their perspectives to servers that go HARD on RP to see that forcing things way this doesn't work.

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 5:01 pm**

It was a problem when it came out way back when, when science mains ran rampant. Over time powerplayers got more isolationists and it didn't happen as much but I guess nature is healing?

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 7:11 pm**

I personally think science being able to create crew stuff through science, botany being able to create crew stuff through botany and cargo being able to order crew stuff through cargo is a good thing

Well that won't matter when all three get nerfed into oblivion because "No doing everything!"

Edit: But lets not act like these departments haven't already taken heavy nerfing over the years! Not quite at the high level of power they were once capable of.

It's all a bad dream...

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 8:53 pm**

For fucking real though. As someone whose chef phase recently ended,

Timberpoes wrote:I would argue a better solution to nerfing all non-chef forms of food, is to instead make food prepared in a kitchen area worthwhile and desirable, drawing players to the kitchen as a result.

PLEASE

YES

MAKE THE CHEF'S FOOD AND/OR KITCHEN FOOD INHERENTLY SUPERIOR IN TERMS OF MOOD OR NUTRITION AND/OR
MAKE THE COOKING PROCESS ITSELF ADD VALUE AND/OR
MAKE THE MOST DESIRABLE FOOD KEEP YOU SATED LONGER
and fucking get rid of the 0-cost "human eat raw organs lol" trait

P L E A S E

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 10:08 pm**

i apologize to everybody for making the mistake of bringing up silver slime food in the first pr

also seriously just buff the chef instead of nerfing everything else this isnt hard

make it so that if a food item is "complex" (ie requires the chef to actually make it with a little effort) and its made in the kitchen or within x tiles of a food cart, it gets some units of a new reagent called nutriment+ that slows your hunger and gives you a small positive moodlet

then very very gently nerf stuff like vending machines, not enough that they become useless but so that they're more of a temporary measure than a sustainable source of food

and add a small positive moodlet for eating in the kitchen/bar

there, thats all it takes

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 10:23 pm**

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:08 pm make it so that if a food item is "complex" (ie requires the chef to actually make it with a little effort) and its made in the kitchen or within x tiles of a food cart, it gets some units of a new reagent called nutriment+ that slows your hunger and gives you a small positive moodlet

do you know what vitamin is

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 10:29 pm**

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:23 pm
nianjiilical wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:08 pm make it so that if a food item is "complex" (ie requires the chef to actually make it with a little effort) and its made in the kitchen or within x tiles of a food cart, it gets some units of a new reagent called nutriment+ that slows your hunger and gives you a small positive moodlet
do you know what vitamin is

yeah but i thought you can get it from a lot of sources

the point is add something that only chef cooked food provides

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 10:38 pm**

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:29 pm
iamgoofball wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:23 pm
nianjiilical wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:08 pm make it so that if a food item is "complex" (ie requires the chef to actually make it with a little effort) and its made in the kitchen or within x tiles of a food cart, it gets some units of a new reagent called nutriment+ that slows your hunger and gives you a small positive moodlet
do you know what vitamin is
yeah but i thought you can get it from a lot of sources

the point is add something that only chef cooked food provides

its basically only accessible via chef food and the ingredients for chef food

Posted: **Sat May 21, 2022 10:42 pm**

your ideas are bad for the game and you don't play it

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 12:01 am**

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:38 pm
nianjiilical wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:29 pm
iamgoofball wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:23 pm
nianjiilical wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:08 pm make it so that if a food item is "complex" (ie requires the chef to actually make it with a little effort) and its made in the kitchen or within x tiles of a food cart, it gets some units of a new reagent called nutriment+ that slows your hunger and gives you a small positive moodlet
do you know what vitamin is
yeah but i thought you can get it from a lot of sources

the point is add something that only chef cooked food provides
its basically only accessible via chef food and the ingredients for chef food

The problem is, right now, Vitamin doesn't really work that way - it's just Slightly Cooler Nutriment. I made a thread suggesting changes to the food chems but never got any responses, but I still think my ideas are a better fix for Food problems than this.

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 12:17 am**

Maintainers want it and goofball just got the holodeck pr merged

Was an intended feature but oh well..I guess you can call it a "Fix"

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 1:36 am**

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 10:08 pm then very very gently nerf stuff like vending machines, not enough that they become useless but so that they're more of a temporary measure than a sustainable source of food

This is very funny, because vending machine food is already useless.

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 3:45 am**

why don't we just go to goofball's house and shave him

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 6:25 am**

honestly i've went through all the stages of grief

maybe it'll be fun to give a sob story to the chef as a traitor or nuke op.

I just have to think of a tactic to avoid being turned horizontal by sec if convincing them to have a meal with me doesnt work.

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 7:40 pm**

massa wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 1:54 pm this pr is idiotic shit and you know it bro

which one. cheating getting 8~ positive moodlets in holodeck?
i never spoke of the silver one

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 10:05 pm**

We won

So why do I feel so empty

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2022 3:15 am**

update: eating without a table pr is getting test merged

this isnt a joke

watch overall pop decline by 55 everyday

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2022 3:18 am**

i was going to be mean to you because eating without a table doesnt give you a mood debuff anymore, but the pr body and changelog are still not updated so i dont blame you

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2022 5:12 am**

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:18 am i was going to be mean to you because eating without a table doesnt give you a mood debuff anymore, but the pr body and changelog are still not updated so i dont blame you

Apparently it still gives you moodlets, but the moodlets just aren't worth anything, too, so it's a reasonable assumption.

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2022 5:32 am**

That and eating anything without a fork and table and chair is super slow. Big nerf to mining shelters, lavaland fruits and combat Gaia. Inverse is true if your doing the proper bar RP.tm though. It's weird.

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2022 9:10 am**

I don't trust my comment not to be deleted, so I'm cross-posting it here. Context was Mothblocks saying all comments have to at least pretend to have a reason to be here;

My divine wisdom wrote:Why should we if Goof won't with this PR? It got test merged and universally hated. Goof spent the entire time screaming at people who dared to offer criticism.

Getting a mood hit as a Miner for eating a donk without being in the Bar/Kitchen is stupid. Someone drank Hot Coco and the sugar in it gave them the 'Nutrient Paste' mood hit. The only good thing in here is the fix to the Crafting Menu, Oranges tells us it won't be merged, and then it goes and gets TM'd anyway?

Edit: Also, he talks about how 'Deviant Tastes' ruins the Chef Experience, and ignores the Chef Players telling him he's wrong. Ageusia being an 8 point perk is insane since it also removes positive effects. He moved the Gross tag from a bunch of things that should be, and he's talking about "muh cannibalism is viable now" in a PR that's...in his own phrasing, about being For RP? None of this makes any sense, all of it is so profoundly fucking idiotic that I'm not convinced Goof wasn't dropkicked into a wall as an infant. Don't silence the people whose feedback goes completely ignored while Goof talks like he knows more than they do, make him actually listen to and address the feedback.

Double Edit: For Reference Sake, SELF-AWARE is an 8 point perk. FREE RUNNING is an 8 point perk. How the fuck is Ageusia on that level? HOW THE FUCK IS NUTRIENT PASTE FAN 12? Why the actual fuck is this even remotely being entertained?

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2022 3:37 pm**

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:10 amEdit: Also, he talks about how 'Deviant Tastes' ruins the Chef Experience, and ignores the Chef Players telling him he's wrong. Ageusia being an 8 point perk is insane since it also removes positive effects. He moved the Gross tag from a bunch of things that should be, and he's talking about "muh cannibalism is viable now" in a PR that's...in his own phrasing, about being For RP? None of this makes any sense, all of it is so profoundly fucking idiotic that I'm not convinced Goof wasn't dropkicked into a wall as an infant. Don't silence the people whose feedback goes completely ignored while Goof talks like he knows more than they do, make him actually listen to and address the feedback.

Double Edit: For Reference Sake, SELF-AWARE is an 8 point perk. FREE RUNNING is an 8 point perk. How the fuck is Ageusia on that level? HOW THE FUCK IS NUTRIENT PASTE FAN 12? Why the actual fuck is this even remotely being entertained?

Those numbers are insane. Reminds me of when goof tried to make Space Cleaner the deadliest poison in the game.

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2022 4:38 pm**

Ageusia should be like a +2 cost, not +8. It generally opens up far more food options than it weakens, but it's not a huge deal and it DOES have downsides. It's probably about as strong as a clown/mime pin trait?

Deviant Tastes, similarly, should probably be +1 or +2, though...

Ideally, I would replace it with a series of +1 cost traits, "taste of X" where X is the single chosen species whose exact taste preferences you want to adopt. Taste of Moths makes you like what Moths like, Taste if Lizards makes you like lizard food prefs, etc.

(And I say this as a vocal hater of both of those traits, mostly from when I chef mained for a few weeks and people were constantly just like "I want to eat these raw monkey organs," or worse, losing the chef roll to someone who refuses to make anything but deep fried literal cardboard boxes and tier 1 tools)

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2022 6:15 pm**

Traits are super overcosted

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2022 5:00 am**

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:10 am I don't trust my comment not to be deleted, so I'm cross-posting it here. Context was Mothblocks saying all comments have to at least pretend to have a reason to be here;

My divine wisdom wrote:Why should we if Goof won't with this PR? It got test merged and universally hated. Goof spent the entire time screaming at people who dared to offer criticism.

Getting a mood hit as a Miner for eating a donk without being in the Bar/Kitchen is stupid. Someone drank Hot Coco and the sugar in it gave them the 'Nutrient Paste' mood hit. The only good thing in here is the fix to the Crafting Menu, Oranges tells us it won't be merged, and then it goes and gets TM'd anyway?

Edit: Also, he talks about how 'Deviant Tastes' ruins the Chef Experience, and ignores the Chef Players telling him he's wrong. Ageusia being an 8 point perk is insane since it also removes positive effects. He moved the Gross tag from a bunch of things that should be, and he's talking about "muh cannibalism is viable now" in a PR that's...in his own phrasing, about being For RP? None of this makes any sense, all of it is so profoundly fucking idiotic that I'm not convinced Goof wasn't dropkicked into a wall as an infant. Don't silence the people whose feedback goes completely ignored while Goof talks like he knows more than they do, make him actually listen to and address the feedback.

Double Edit: For Reference Sake, SELF-AWARE is an 8 point perk. FREE RUNNING is an 8 point perk. How the fuck is Ageusia on that level? HOW THE FUCK IS NUTRIENT PASTE FAN 12? Why the actual fuck is this even remotely being entertained?

I was right and my comment was deleted, because how dare I very correctly point out the problems with this PR.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2022 6:08 am**

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:10 am Why should we if Goof won't with this PR? It got test merged and universally hated. Goof spent the entire time screaming at people who dared to offer criticism.

Getting a mood hit as a Miner for eating a donk without being in the Bar/Kitchen is stupid. Someone drank Hot Coco and the sugar in it gave them the 'Nutrient Paste' mood hit. The only good thing in here is the fix to the Crafting Menu, Oranges tells us it won't be merged, and then it goes and gets TM'd anyway?

A: sucks to suck
B: codebase doesn't have any say in what gets tm'd, outside some soft influence. Prob just the headmins being chill with goof wanting to test it out

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2022 6:12 am**

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 6:08 am
CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:10 am Why should we if Goof won't with this PR? It got test merged and universally hated. Goof spent the entire time screaming at people who dared to offer criticism.

Getting a mood hit as a Miner for eating a donk without being in the Bar/Kitchen is stupid. Someone drank Hot Coco and the sugar in it gave them the 'Nutrient Paste' mood hit. The only good thing in here is the fix to the Crafting Menu, Oranges tells us it won't be merged, and then it goes and gets TM'd anyway?
A: sucks to suck
B: codebase doesn't have any say in what gets tm'd, outside some soft influence. Prob just the headmins being chill with goof wanting to test it out

Huh- that's fucking wild. I would've thought that since it's Code Related, it's you guys' who have the final say about it.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2022 6:15 am**

God no. We used to have a few maints with keyholder, but after the bee incident it's the headmins (technically maintainers but I've disowned them), former headmins/trustworthy people and oranges.

Separation's absolute remember? It's not our server just like it's not their codebase

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2022 6:23 am**

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 6:15 am God no. We used to have a few maints with keyholder, but after the bee incident it's the headmins (technically maintainers but I've disowned them), former headmins/trustworthy people and oranges.

Separation's absolute remember? It's not our server just like it's not their codebase

Well, that separation is why I assumed. Wouldn't it be your say what goes into the code? Or do they have the say to Test Merge, but you have the say on Actually Merged?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2022 6:40 am**

Well yeah. Maintainers control the codebase, admins control the servers/forums.
We have some permissions because they tolerate us, (s not absolute absolute) but we don't "run" anything server wise.

Testmerges are a server thing, so like, yeah, that's how it works.
It's not a separation of code and administration, it's a separation of codebase and server

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2022 7:30 am**

I figured that since Testmerges were also very much a Code thing (which is to say, "you're testmerging CODE after all") it fell under your jurisdiction.

That's actually kinda interesting to know, and fair enough. It makes sense. I'll rescind my "why are we even bothering to entertain this" then, though the rest of my "what the fuck is going on with this, this is insane" will stll stand.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2022 7:59 am**

I mean we do have soft power and such, keyholders will pay more attention to maint requests then jerry from accounting.
But it's not mandatory by any means, testmerges are just that, a test some keyholder wants to/was persuaded to running.

Posted: **Wed May 25, 2022 1:38 pm**

I like the idea of people having to eat at the bar/kitchen

it forces social interaction in a game where too many players already just want to lone wolf

its a good thing

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