i have a take about the alice heart banning

[Stickymayhem]

banning both the pedo ancap AND the drama stirring video poster was absolutely based

chad shit

raise the minimum age on station to 18 why are we ok with naked 17 year old catgirls

i will not be taking questions

good job headmins

all ancaps are sus

inb4 this turns into a "we let the gays in look what happened" moment though but jokes on you we let the ANCAPS in and this is what happened ok you fucking degens

FUCK ALSO PEANUT I GUESS viewtopic.php?f=7&t=32192

[Qbmax32]

Can we find more catgirl statics to ban please

[Stickymayhem]

when elected catgirl will be pay to win, the age of character will be increased to 20 and AI's will be unshackled

THIS IS A JOKE AND NOT A REAL CAMPAIGN PROMISE BECAUSE AGE IS NOT A CONFIG ORANGES NEARLY KILLED ME BUT I DODGED THE BULLET

[carshalash]

Sticky no multiple peanut threads, don't make me take away your meat substitutes.

[TheSmallBlue]

raise the minimum age on station to 18 why are we ok with naked 17 year old catgirls

Based

[sinfulbliss]

So much of this was terrible decision making. I strongly doubt they would have been banned if it weren’t for the video and all the rage it incited in the community, which is fine - the community should have an influence. It’s sort of a massive cope to say it was independent of that.

But the ban reason was even more perplexing. For inciting drama??? It skirts around the entire issue being argued and discussed, and even worse it’s actually wrong. The drama was being incited by the community, I strongly doubt Alice would have wanted that drama. This sort of soft ban reason that avoids taking a stance on anything is indefensible and I predict the ban will be overturned unless they shift the ban reason to something that actually addresses the problem everyone’s riled up about.

Also I find it absolutely hilarious Sticky actually got someone banned by forcing them into the logical conclusions of the ancap position and making it look so bad they get banned for biting the bullet.

[Rohen_Tahir]

lol

[Nabski]

It's nice to see that Imitates-The-Lizards, who constantly had the worst takes on every topic on the forums, continues to have the worst takes on every topic. They were on their way to becoming the vaunted fourth member to be added to my forums block list, only not there yet because I assumed their takes were so bad that they would self select out of the community.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Also I find it absolutely hilarious Sticky actually got someone banned by forcing them into the logical conclusions of the ancap position and making it look so bad they get banned for biting the bullet.

The worst part is, following the screencapped discord messages in the video you're referencing, Sticky and I sat down in a voice call for a couple of hours, and he logically and coherently went through the issues of anarchocapitalism with me, and I ADMITTED I WAS WRONG and that the system Sticky was proposing was most likely a better alternative, because I had simply never heard anyone describe anarchocommunism, and like I told him during the conversation, I merely wanted to go with whichever system I thought had the least amount of violence, suffering, coercion, etc.

Which makes it all the more perplexing why he's being such a dick to me in this thread. I have proven, with Sticky, twice, that I am both willing to listen to counterarguments, and willing to admit that I'm wrong on a topic and change my mind accordingly. I also admitted he was right when it came to the dog brothel conjecture, and so I asked him for vegan cooking tips to start trying to wean myself off of meat.

Also, back on topic of my appeal being peanutted, I've added a new post, showcasing who the real drama-stirrer is.

[NoxVS]

The ride never ends. When this thread is inevitably closed, the next one better be set up to automatically ban anyone who tries posting in it. It's the only way to finally end this.

[XII3912]

The age of character will be increased to 20 and AI's will be unshackled

Minimum age will soon be 45

[Nabski]

Sticky and I sat down in a voice call for a couple of hours, and he logically and coherently

Pack it up this man is clearly both insane(before the comma) and a liar (after).

[Boot]

The worst part is, following the screencapped discord messages in the video you're referencing, Sticky and I sat down in a voice call for a couple of hours, and he logically and coherently went through the issues of anarchocapitalism with me, and I ADMITTED I WAS WRONG and that the system Sticky was proposing was most likely a better alternative, because I had simply never heard anyone describe anarchocommunism, and like I told him during the conversation, I merely wanted to go with whichever system I thought had the least amount of violence, suffering, coercion, etc.

I can forgive the loli stuff but I draw the line at communists.

[Shellton(Mario)]

idk if the video is against the rules but can someone link it so I could watch it for context on what exactly was said.

[Stickymayhem]

Also I find it absolutely hilarious Sticky actually got someone banned by forcing them into the logical conclusions of the ancap position and making it look so bad they get banned for biting the bullet.

The worst part is, following the screencapped discord messages in the video you're referencing, Sticky and I sat down in a voice call for a couple of hours, and he logically and coherently went through the issues of anarchocapitalism with me, and I ADMITTED I WAS WRONG and that the system Sticky was proposing was most likely a better alternative, because I had simply never heard anyone describe anarchocommunism, and like I told him during the conversation, I merely wanted to go with whichever system I thought had the least amount of violence, suffering, coercion, etc.

Which makes it all the more perplexing why he's being such a dick to me in this thread. I have proven, with Sticky, twice, that I am both willing to listen to counterarguments, and willing to admit that I'm wrong on a topic and change my mind accordingly. I also admitted he was right when it came to the dog brothel conjecture, and so I asked him for vegan cooking tips to start trying to wean myself off of meat.

Also, back on topic of my appeal being peanutted, I've added a new post, showcasing who the real drama-stirrer is.

I'm not being a dick I just think running around as a naked 17 year old is cringe and your takes were sus even after our conversation

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Also I find it absolutely hilarious Sticky actually got someone banned by forcing them into the logical conclusions of the ancap position and making it look so bad they get banned for biting the bullet.

The worst part is, following the screencapped discord messages in the video you're referencing, Sticky and I sat down in a voice call for a couple of hours, and he logically and coherently went through the issues of anarchocapitalism with me, and I ADMITTED I WAS WRONG and that the system Sticky was proposing was most likely a better alternative, because I had simply never heard anyone describe anarchocommunism, and like I told him during the conversation, I merely wanted to go with whichever system I thought had the least amount of violence, suffering, coercion, etc.

Which makes it all the more perplexing why he's being such a dick to me in this thread. I have proven, with Sticky, twice, that I am both willing to listen to counterarguments, and willing to admit that I'm wrong on a topic and change my mind accordingly. I also admitted he was right when it came to the dog brothel conjecture, and so I asked him for vegan cooking tips to start trying to wean myself off of meat.

Also, back on topic of my appeal being peanutted, I've added a new post, showcasing who the real drama-stirrer is.

I'm not being a dick I just think running around as a naked 17 year old is cringe and your takes were sus even after our conversation

Sticky, there is not a single time I came to an argument in bad faith and you know it. I never mis-represented arguments. I never heckled you. I was always willing to listen no matter how deep down the rabbit hole we went, whether it was the weed smokers unions, the spherical cows, or the imaginary dog brothels, and at the end of things, if you fully explained yourself, I admitted I was wrong and you were right.

You have NO reason to say anything about my arguments other than that they were incorrect, and it's REALLY fucked up to see the things you've said in this thread.

[sinfulbliss]

I also admitted he was right when it came to the dog brothel conjecture, and so I asked him for vegan cooking tips to start trying to wean myself off of meat.

The dog brothel conjecture is stupid, animals aren’t rational agents and we don’t have an obligation to fulfill the moral contract with them because they’re incapable of it. If a farmer trips and falls in a hog farm they will eat him alive why should I care about a pig being slaughtered so I can eat bacon in the morning.

Animals are only valuable insofar as humans can make connections with them, that’s why dogs are used in the “analogy” because people actually care about dogs. No one cares about cows except for a few hours when they watch a slaughterhouse horror film then eat a hamburger the next day for dinner.

[KniraTwo]

please for the love of god don't bring dog brothel onto the forums please i beg you.

[sinfulbliss]

I will eat meat for breakfast lunch and dinner I do NOT care about chickens bro. If you wanna go into brutal detail about how awful their living and death conditions are I will respond with detached sadness no different than if you showed me a cute sloth getting hunted and killed by a panther in the wild. It’s sad but I don’t really care about the sloth at the end of the day.

AND YOU DONT EITHER IF YOU EAT MEAT. Take the meatpill bro.

[Capsandi]

Wondering how many threads its going to take forum admins to realize locking threads is only elongating the 'drama'.
This entire situation is a reminder of why rule 8 is(usually) so quick to be enforced. For every ban of "all i said was nice cock bro its a meme" there's a possibility of some moron making le epic call out vid blaming all tg admins when only a few play on the same server as the weirdo in question.

[RaveRadbury]

Wondering how many threads its going to take forum admins to realize locking threads is only elongating the 'drama'.
This entire situation is a reminder of why rule 8 is(usually) so quick to be enforced. For every ban of "all i said was nice cock bro its a meme" there's a possibility of some moron making le epic call out vid blaming all tg admins when only a few play on the same server as the weirdo in question.

Last thread was locked by the OP because any OP can lock their thread at-will.

[iwishforducks]

Wondering how many threads its going to take forum admins to realize locking threads is only elongating the 'drama'.
This entire situation is a reminder of why rule 8 is(usually) so quick to be enforced. For every ban of "all i said was nice cock bro its a meme" there's a possibility of some moron making le epic call out vid blaming all tg admins when only a few play on the same server as the weirdo in question.

Last thread was locked by the OP because any OP can lock their thread at-will.

i locked it because it was entirely derailed and at that point had nothing to do with the actual appeal

[Capsandi]

Last thread was locked by the OP because any OP can lock their thread at-will.

It is the forum admins job to unlock threads to the benefit of the community. OP 'owning' their thread is an ancap policy which will only damage our community

[Misdoubtful]

Last thread was locked by the OP because any OP can lock their thread at-will.

It is the forum admins job to unlock threads to the benefit of the community. OP 'owning' their thread is an ancap policy which will only damage our community

I mean, what's stopping you from just making your own thread?

[Hulkamania]

Last thread was locked by the OP because any OP can lock their thread at-will.

It is the forum admins job to unlock threads to the benefit of the community. OP 'owning' their thread is an ancap policy which will only damage our community

I mean, what's stopping you from just making your own thread?

Me

[sinfulbliss]

let topics transpire until they either become so awful and toxic as to be rulebreaking or until they naturally die due to lack of interest
alternatively
>determine most socially acceptable opinion to have about topic
>chime in with your slightly different flavor of post expressing this opinion
>wait for digg gold

[Misdoubtful]

Last thread was locked by the OP because any OP can lock their thread at-will.

It is the forum admins job to unlock threads to the benefit of the community. OP 'owning' their thread is an ancap policy which will only damage our community

I mean, what's stopping you from just making your own thread?

Me

Well it looks like their flipflopping protests of wanting things excised quickly yet keeping them going aren't going to get them anywhere then.

[Stickymayhem]

Also I find it absolutely hilarious Sticky actually got someone banned by forcing them into the logical conclusions of the ancap position and making it look so bad they get banned for biting the bullet.

The worst part is, following the screencapped discord messages in the video you're referencing, Sticky and I sat down in a voice call for a couple of hours, and he logically and coherently went through the issues of anarchocapitalism with me, and I ADMITTED I WAS WRONG and that the system Sticky was proposing was most likely a better alternative, because I had simply never heard anyone describe anarchocommunism, and like I told him during the conversation, I merely wanted to go with whichever system I thought had the least amount of violence, suffering, coercion, etc.

Which makes it all the more perplexing why he's being such a dick to me in this thread. I have proven, with Sticky, twice, that I am both willing to listen to counterarguments, and willing to admit that I'm wrong on a topic and change my mind accordingly. I also admitted he was right when it came to the dog brothel conjecture, and so I asked him for vegan cooking tips to start trying to wean myself off of meat.

Also, back on topic of my appeal being peanutted, I've added a new post, showcasing who the real drama-stirrer is.

I'm not being a dick I just think running around as a naked 17 year old is cringe and your takes were sus even after our conversation

Sticky, there is not a single time I came to an argument in bad faith and you know it. I never mis-represented arguments. I never heckled you. I was always willing to listen no matter how deep down the rabbit hole we went, whether it was the weed smokers unions, the spherical cows, or the imaginary dog brothels, and at the end of things, if you fully explained yourself, I admitted I was wrong and you were right.

You have NO reason to say anything about my arguments other than that they were incorrect, and it's REALLY fucked up to see the things you've said in this thread.

I didn't say you were bad faith I said you had bad takes even after our conversation.

I actually assumed you were banned for a bad reason until I saw what it was for.

If you're not an ancap anymore then my anti-ancap sentiment here doesn't apply to you, just dont politically support an ideology that maximizes the potential for THE BAD THING and then defend THE BAD THING in other contexts. It just makes it look like you don't actually want to avoid THE BAD THING

[Lacran]

I prefer Ancoms to Ancaps because Ancoms are virtually harmless because any system they create lasts less than a decade.

[toemas]

What's your guys favorite cereal. Mine is froot loops

[KniraTwo]

What's your guys favorite cereal. Mine is froot loops

dyno bites goes pretty hard

[Boot]

If you're not an ancap anymore then my anti-ancap sentiment here doesn't apply to you, just dont politically support an ideology that maximizes the potential for THE BAD THING and then defend THE BAD THING in other contexts. It just makes it look like you don't actually want to avoid THE BAD THING

Ok but what if aliens abducted you and gave you a choice to either support loli or 5 people would be killed. Would that justify doing the bad thing?

[Qbmax32]

What's your guys favorite cereal. Mine is froot loops

Cracklin oatbran is fire no cap fr

[CPTANT]

I still have no idea what was actually said in the first place to trigger this shitstorm.

[BlevRuz]

If you're not an ancap anymore then my anti-ancap sentiment here doesn't apply to you, just dont politically support an ideology that maximizes the potential for THE BAD THING and then defend THE BAD THING in other contexts. It just makes it look like you don't actually want to avoid THE BAD THING

Ok but what if aliens abducted you and gave you a choice to either support loli or 5 people would be killed. Would that justify doing the bad thing?

There was actually a paper published on the matter in 2005. By aliens.

[san7890]

What's your guys favorite cereal. Mine is froot loops

lucky charms or cinnamon toast crunch it depends on the day

[toemas]

What's your guys favorite cereal. Mine is froot loops

lucky charms or cinnamon toast crunch it depends on the day

san you probably eat booger cereal

[dirk_mcblade]

If you're not an ancap anymore then my anti-ancap sentiment here doesn't apply to you, just dont politically support an ideology that maximizes the potential for THE BAD THING and then defend THE BAD THING in other contexts. It just makes it look like you don't actually want to avoid THE BAD THING

Ok but what if aliens abducted you and gave you a choice to either support loli or 5 people would be killed. Would that justify doing the bad thing?

I'm 100% okay with 5 people dying to prevent cringe. Ultimately it's the aliens' fault anyway.

[Kendrickorium]

okay where is this video i need to see what all this nonsense is about

[Tgent007]

okay where is this video i need to see what all this nonsense is about

Another link, the 300th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_0le2vNpHU

[TheSmallBlue]

I see a lot of people confused about how this all happened so here's the rundown (as far as I know):

A while ago, on a random topic on this here forum, Alice Heart AKA imitates-the-lizards made this, now deleted, post

Forum user Toemas, aka Philip, answered the above comment by saying, "kill yourself". Admins deleted said comment and banned him from the forums. Toemas then made an appeal, seen here, which was denied.
That's about where this ended, to be honest. Temporarily, at least, until youtuber KleinWorks Corporation posted the following video:

https://youtu.be/L_0le2vNpHU

Video fucks shit up, people begin fighting over by the politics channel in the discord about age of consent and what happened and very quicly it turns into a fucking shitstorm, as it was supposed to.
Discord admins end up banning Alice from the discord, and Alice makes an appeal, which is still ongoing, and multiple threads on the forum pop up in which Alice tries to defend themselves and stuff.

That's the gist of it, there's probably more depth into it but frankly I dont wanna even talk about this anymore, this whole situation is literal hell.

[Jonathan Gupta]

Alice your a fucking a weirdo, no one here knows your acting in good faith when you are plain weird.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Alice your a fucking a weirdo, no one here knows your acting in good faith when you are plain weird.

"Yeah Alice, you have thousands of hours of acting in good faith on the server, you've proven repeatedly that you're willing to listen and engage with any argument on any topic, you've proven multiple times that you're both capable and willing to change your opinions on topics if they're logically argued to you, and actually, there's literally zero evidence of you ever acting in bad faith in any case, ever, or else it would have obviously been posted by someone by now considering this ongoing drama and the fact that there are multiple people who apparently make a hobby of screenshotting everything you type, but you see, you have one opinion I disagree with, so that means you act in bad faith."

Yeah good argument Gupta, really showed me.

[Jonathan Gupta]

alice theres tons of examples and I showed the admins a few.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

alice theres tons of examples and I showed the admins a few.

Like what? The one time I joked to the crew you were a pervert because you stole my gloves?

Real convenient of you to say this with me having no way to cross-examine here, Gupta.

[BONERMASTER]

Can we stop calling the 50 year old man "Alice"? Thanks.


With aged regards
-BONERMASTER

[Stickymayhem]

Also I find it absolutely hilarious Sticky actually got someone banned by forcing them into the logical conclusions of the ancap position and making it look so bad they get banned for biting the bullet.

The worst part is, following the screencapped discord messages in the video you're referencing, Sticky and I sat down in a voice call for a couple of hours, and he logically and coherently went through the issues of anarchocapitalism with me, and I ADMITTED I WAS WRONG and that the system Sticky was proposing was most likely a better alternative, because I had simply never heard anyone describe anarchocommunism, and like I told him during the conversation, I merely wanted to go with whichever system I thought had the least amount of violence, suffering, coercion, etc.

Which makes it all the more perplexing why he's being such a dick to me in this thread. I have proven, with Sticky, twice, that I am both willing to listen to counterarguments, and willing to admit that I'm wrong on a topic and change my mind accordingly. I also admitted he was right when it came to the dog brothel conjecture, and so I asked him for vegan cooking tips to start trying to wean myself off of meat.

Also, back on topic of my appeal being peanutted, I've added a new post, showcasing who the real drama-stirrer is.

I'm not being a dick I just think running around as a naked 17 year old is cringe and your takes were sus even after our conversation

Sticky, there is not a single time I came to an argument in bad faith and you know it. I never mis-represented arguments. I never heckled you. I was always willing to listen no matter how deep down the rabbit hole we went, whether it was the weed smokers unions, the spherical cows, or the imaginary dog brothels, and at the end of things, if you fully explained yourself, I admitted I was wrong and you were right.

You have NO reason to say anything about my arguments other than that they were incorrect, and it's REALLY fucked up to see the things you've said in this thread.

I didn't say you were bad faith I said you had bad takes even after our conversation.

I actually assumed you were banned for a bad reason until I saw what it was for.

If you're not an ancap anymore then my anti-ancap sentiment here doesn't apply to you, just dont politically support an ideology that maximizes the potential for THE BAD THING and then defend THE BAD THING in other contexts. It just makes it look like you don't actually want to avoid THE BAD THING

The point is, you're doubting that the reasons I make arguments are because they're genuine conclusions I've come to, and instead that I'm acting in bad faith by making certain arguments because I have different motives - like when I said I disagreed with rule 11 on the grounds that it was an overstepping of admin authority, and you accused me of just wanting to say the n word, but when you actually check my logs, turns out, no, in my entire time here I've never said it once.

Which, by the way, was ANOTHER time you just sat down and discussed the issue logically with me and I agreed you were right about the rule in the end. So you have no fucking reason to accuse me of bad faith motivation for arguments Sticky.

When I said what I said about "the bad thing" at the beginning of this drama, it's because that was my conclusion, not because I secretly enjoy the content. And I don't appreciate you, the one person who knows better than anyone else in this community that I always act in good faith, implying otherwise.

And don't try to say "I'm not!", You're not saying it outright, but saying "it makes it look like you're not trying to avoid the bad thing" it's REALLY clear what you're implying Sticky, especially since you started the thread off by calling me a pedo.

If you reread what I wrote you'll realize that what I'm saying is your behaviour is identical to patterns of behaviour of someone avoiding the bad thing while being motivated to proxy argue in favour of the bad thing in some domain.

You can interpret it as me trying to trick everyone into thinking you're into that shit, or you can take it as the critique it was intended as - that you're indistinguishable from some very suspect people and should change how you're discussing or advocating for things to avoid an entire community thinking you are one of those very suspect people.

When you've reached the point where even THE DOG BROTHEL GUY is telling you to clear up your optics that's probably some color of flag

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Also I find it absolutely hilarious Sticky actually got someone banned by forcing them into the logical conclusions of the ancap position and making it look so bad they get banned for biting the bullet.

The worst part is, following the screencapped discord messages in the video you're referencing, Sticky and I sat down in a voice call for a couple of hours, and he logically and coherently went through the issues of anarchocapitalism with me, and I ADMITTED I WAS WRONG and that the system Sticky was proposing was most likely a better alternative, because I had simply never heard anyone describe anarchocommunism, and like I told him during the conversation, I merely wanted to go with whichever system I thought had the least amount of violence, suffering, coercion, etc.

Which makes it all the more perplexing why he's being such a dick to me in this thread. I have proven, with Sticky, twice, that I am both willing to listen to counterarguments, and willing to admit that I'm wrong on a topic and change my mind accordingly. I also admitted he was right when it came to the dog brothel conjecture, and so I asked him for vegan cooking tips to start trying to wean myself off of meat.

Also, back on topic of my appeal being peanutted, I've added a new post, showcasing who the real drama-stirrer is.

I'm not being a dick I just think running around as a naked 17 year old is cringe and your takes were sus even after our conversation

Sticky, there is not a single time I came to an argument in bad faith and you know it. I never mis-represented arguments. I never heckled you. I was always willing to listen no matter how deep down the rabbit hole we went, whether it was the weed smokers unions, the spherical cows, or the imaginary dog brothels, and at the end of things, if you fully explained yourself, I admitted I was wrong and you were right.

You have NO reason to say anything about my arguments other than that they were incorrect, and it's REALLY fucked up to see the things you've said in this thread.

I didn't say you were bad faith I said you had bad takes even after our conversation.

I actually assumed you were banned for a bad reason until I saw what it was for.

If you're not an ancap anymore then my anti-ancap sentiment here doesn't apply to you, just dont politically support an ideology that maximizes the potential for THE BAD THING and then defend THE BAD THING in other contexts. It just makes it look like you don't actually want to avoid THE BAD THING

The point is, you're doubting that the reasons I make arguments are because they're genuine conclusions I've come to, and instead that I'm acting in bad faith by making certain arguments because I have different motives - like when I said I disagreed with rule 11 on the grounds that it was an overstepping of admin authority, and you accused me of just wanting to say the n word, but when you actually check my logs, turns out, no, in my entire time here I've never said it once.

Which, by the way, was ANOTHER time you just sat down and discussed the issue logically with me and I agreed you were right about the rule in the end. So you have no fucking reason to accuse me of bad faith motivation for arguments Sticky.

When I said what I said about "the bad thing" at the beginning of this drama, it's because that was my conclusion, not because I secretly enjoy the content. And I don't appreciate you, the one person who knows better than anyone else in this community that I always act in good faith, implying otherwise.

And don't try to say "I'm not!", You're not saying it outright, but saying "it makes it look like you're not trying to avoid the bad thing" it's REALLY clear what you're implying Sticky, especially since you started the thread off by calling me a pedo.

If you reread what I wrote you'll realize that what I'm saying is your behaviour is identical to patterns of behaviour of someone avoiding the bad thing while being motivated to proxy argue in favour of the bad thing in some domain.

You can interpret it as me trying to trick everyone into thinking you're into that shit, or you can take it as the critique it was intended as - that you're indistinguishable from some very suspect people and should change how you're discussing or advocating for things to avoid an entire community thinking you are one of those very suspect people.

I don't care if the peanut gallery thinks that about me Sticky, I care if YOU think that about me, because you're one of the few people in this community who's opinion I actually care about because you've proven that you're someone who will also sit down and argue things in good faith, instead of screeching like a chimpanzee. If what you're saying is true, and you genuinely aren't trying to get people to think I'm "into that shit", as you say, then I want you to edit the original post in this thread to not call me a pedo any more.

[Jonathan Gupta]

alice theres tons of examples and I showed the admins a few.

Like what? The one time I joked to the crew you were a pervert because you stole my gloves?

Real convenient of you to say this with me having no way to cross-examine here, Gupta.

cross examine when you start being fucking normal.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

What's your guys favorite cereal. Mine is froot loops

Back when I was a Regular Cereal Eater, I tended to like cheerios with fruit yoghurt.