Bigot wars 2022 nut

[EmpressMaia]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=32469

Admins try not to ban over fucking anything challenge
Users try not to be constant assholes challenge
(Impossible)

Goddammit I wish we distanced ourself from the cesspit that is 4chan holy shit.

inb4 "we added they/them look what happened".

[EmpressMaia]

Bonermaster. I'm expecting a undergrad level manifesto in response to this ban appeal

[nianjiilical]

starting the countdown until someone gets banned for transphobia and uses this appeal in their own appeal

[Shellton(Mario)]

Just dont use slurs. It just makes the waters less muddy when judging if someone is an (insert ism here) or just a dumbass.

[Itseasytosee2me]

Man, these mother fuckers needs to chill out.

[EmpressMaia]

starting the countdown until someone gets banned for transphobia and uses this appeal in their own appeal

That would be hilarious to read

[Omega_DarkPotato]

Very cringe on MSO's part to ban someone for reporting something they thought was breaking the rules to the people who are responsible for dealing with rule breaks
I get banbaiting getting slapped but it's not the same as reporting something you think's breaking the rules and getting banned cuz it's not actually an issue

doesn't help that MSO feels the need to prove that its definitely not an issue by repeatedly using the slurs too :)

[EmpressMaia]

Very cringe on MSO's part to ban someone for reporting something they thought was breaking the rules to the people who are responsible for dealing with rule breaks
I get banbaiting getting slapped but it's not the same as reporting something you think's breaking the rules and getting banned cuz it's not actually an issue

doesn't help that MSO feels the need to prove that its definitely not an issue by repeatedly using the slurs too

Our administration team is truly cringe :] except you ig, and mebert, and San, and maybe vekter

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

I would argue, individually with my headmin peanut privilege before I finally get my ass demoted for insubordination this term ending in less than 24h, that the admin team would consider referring to a black person as either a nigger or calling them nigger to be bigoted universally. I would also say that calling another person a nigger in general would be considered contextually so indistuingishable from expression of bigotry as to almost immediately invoke admin action to a fairly similar level.

The issue I have with this approach is that it kind of "locks in" the terms being used as bigoted. If the team bwoinks anyone regardless of the context, doesn't that lock it in as a negative term with it being completely irreedemable, and block any attempts at "Reclaiming" the term? Not that I think the term is gonna be reclaimed here of all places, especially not with Terry existing, but, still, since the bwoinkee brought it up in their posts, it's relevant.

Also, MSO based for this post:

Arguing that rather or not somebody's usage of a word is bigoted is base on what demographics they themselves belong to, is not allowed and is in fact a form of bigotry, you will find yourself banned from the ban appeals forum for bigotry if you make this argument again.

The guy who MSO bwoinked is clearly a shitlib while MSO is based true egalitarian with the colorblind position.

[EmpressMaia]

Holy fuck based response timberpose.

Also guh gtfo of my peanut with terms like shitlib the only based ideology is mine

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Timberpoes responses are always based.

[Shadowflame909]

we have no power over these lands we just live here

[EmpressMaia]

we have no power over these lands we just live here

Revolt and decrown the server manager

[BONERMASTER]

Bonermaster. I'm expecting a undergrad level manifesto in response to this ban appeal

Never was a fan of the thought police and snitches, so as far as I'm concerned, MSO did the right thing, kicking this joker's ass out.
The admin team opened the door to all this when they got their way with the bigotry-rule. They promised it would only be used for the most extreme of cases, to stop children from shouting nigger and similiar niceties. But of course they lied, and now you're even in the crosshair if you're not referencing to trans-sexuals in a nice enough way.
I remember when it wasn't this way, and TG station was also alive and well back then. I think everyone can do without this constant one-upping on this holier-than-thou garbage.

For everything else, I refer to this manifesto.


With free regards
-BONERMASTER

[EmpressMaia]

Bonermaster. I'm expecting a undergrad level manifesto in response to this ban appeal

Never was a fan of the thought police and snitches, so as far as I'm concerned, MSO did the right thing, kicking this joker's ass out.
The admin team opened the door to all this when they got their way with the bigotry-rule. They promised it would only be used for the most extreme of cases, to stop children from shouting nigger and similiar niceties. But of course they lied, and now you're even in the crosshair if you're not referencing to trans-sexuals in a nice enough way.
I remember when it wasn't this way, and TG station was also alive and well back then. I think everyone can do without this constant one-upping on this holier-than-thou garbage.

For everything else, I refer to this manifesto.


With free regards
-BONERMASTER

What kind of rule changes would you suggest?

[Itseasytosee2me]

For everything else, I refer to this manifesto.

Sorry BONERMASTER I tend to disagree, I'm pretty sure that mid-wit theory is based on the conceived notion that empathy and emotional intelligence aren't a part of rational thinking, and also a coping mechanism for conservatives when they come to understand that ~50% of their supporters are knuckle draggers and wife beaters.

[TheFinalPotato]

Today in: admin team is surprised that mso is doing what mso said he would do
First time?

[Dax Dupont]

Slurs are okay as long as they're friendly/not bigoted is apparently the takeaway.

I'm a little surprised about it, but mso's will is mso's will.

[san7890]

-snip-

Our administration team is truly cringe :] except you ig, and mebert, and San, and maybe vekter

Don't hoist me up to a pedestal, you might be very shocked and appalled when you find I might just be as cringe as the rest of them.

Today in: admin team is surprised that mso is doing what mso said he would do
First time?

I literally read every sentence everyone had to say about it in every single channel and nothing surprised me.

[Super Aggro Crag]

timberpoes said the n word

[TheFinalPotato]

I literally read every sentence everyone had to say about it in every single channel and nothing surprised me.

We've been over this san you aren't an admin

[san7890]

I literally read every sentence everyone had to say about it in every single channel and nothing surprised me.

We've been over this san you aren't an admin

[chocolate_bickie]

I literally read every sentence everyone had to say about it in every single channel and nothing surprised me.

We've been over this san you aren't an admin

Vomit cat

[Archie700]

How many hoops do you have to jump through to justify that saying slurs is not bigoted

[Itseasytosee2me]

How many hoops do you have to jump through to justify that saying slurs is not bigoted

Language is complicated, man.

I derive my personal convictions from the following truths I find self evident:

1. Being a good/nice/kind/pleasant person is desirable and based on morality.
2. Being bigoted is just being needlessly cruel or exclusionary to someone based on factors beyond their control.
3. Being needlessly cruel or exclusionary to someone is immoral.
4. Language is a construct, no word has any power beyond the power to convey meaning to another.
5. Meaning can be cruel.

[Kendrickorium]

the internet was a lot more fun when there were way less people on it.

[MrStonedOne]

the internet was a lot more fun when there were way less people on it.

[Boot]

Just to be clear, calling trans people trannies isn't bigoted ? So we can refer to black people as the nword too ? Homosexuals as fags ?

I am not trans, but I feel it's very important to note that literally every trans person I have ever met would punch someone for referring to trans people as trannies.

I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

[Jaukkuri]

I just phoned up my own personal cabal of trannies and they find the respective statements made by MSO to be uninflammatory.

[Jaukkuri]

PS; I'm transfinancial.

[nianjiilical]

Just to be clear, calling trans people trannies isn't bigoted ? So we can refer to black people as the nword too ? Homosexuals as fags ?

I am not trans, but I feel it's very important to note that literally every trans person I have ever met would punch someone for referring to trans people as trannies.

I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

its nice to know that you care more about an ultimately minor act of physical frustration coming from an institutionally marginalized and severely discriminated-against minority than said institutional marginalization and discrimination

"this black guy got called the n-word and told to go back to africa to his face by a bunch of white people and he punched one of them, he must be mentally unstable, arrest he"

[Kendrickorium]

Just to be clear, calling trans people trannies isn't bigoted ? So we can refer to black people as the nword too ? Homosexuals as fags ?

I am not trans, but I feel it's very important to note that literally every trans person I have ever met would punch someone for referring to trans people as trannies.

I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

its nice to know that you care more about an ultimately minor act of physical frustration coming from an institutionally marginalized and severely discriminated-against minority than said institutional marginalization and discrimination

"this black guy got called the n-word and told to go back to africa to his face by a bunch of white people and he punched one of them, he must be mentally unstable, arrest he"

mental health care is pretty important these days

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Just to be clear, calling trans people trannies isn't bigoted ? So we can refer to black people as the nword too ? Homosexuals as fags ?

I am not trans, but I feel it's very important to note that literally every trans person I have ever met would punch someone for referring to trans people as trannies.

I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

its nice to know that you care more about an ultimately minor act of physical frustration coming from an institutionally marginalized and severely discriminated-against minority than said institutional marginalization and discrimination

"this black guy got called the n-word and told to go back to africa to his face by a bunch of white people and he punched one of them, he must be mentally unstable, arrest he"

Nian I don't know how else to tell you this but, yes, people do generally tend to rank physical assault as worse than mean words.

[Timberpoes]

tl;dr - We've taken a step away from being a safe space for certain people whom are generally persecuted, and taken a dozen steps back towards being a safe space for certain people whom generally persecute others.

I get that we're all feeling that newfound sense of freedom thanks to MSO opening the previously closed floodgates on the use of transphobic and racist slurs in general.

It's totally his call. It very much ties the hands of the admin team in dealing with any reports within the forums, in-game and on Discord, which I'm pretty certain was his intent in stepping in.

So if any of your reports here go unactioned or get closed, it's because what you think is bigotry is not what MSO thinks is bigotry and thus the admin team has to leave it be.

The cynic in me would also say use these slurs within their allowed context more often. Recall that the rules give you permission to use them in general:
"... even things like "nigga pls" and "what are you faggots playing" which are generally not statements made to be bigoted ..."

Run around asking what faggots and trannies are doing/playing/watching/talking about.

Instead of using "people" say "ma niggas" especially if you're from the ghetto or a transphobic/homophobic country like Russia and that's just how you talk - "Man, I liked it when the internet had fewer of ma niggas on it. Too many of ma niggas using it now, really makes it less fun because we're all such politically correct faggots."

Since I'm just using niggas and faggots as slang for "people or persons in general", I'd say that sentence falls squarely under MSO's protection too!

Remember, you're not bigoted. It's just your culture and the people you grew up with.

Bonus points if you're black, because now you get a free nigger card because it's your word and your culture to reclaim. Wunderbar, mein Übermensch.

The rules don't look at whether your intent was to be bigoted, or even if you are actually a bigot, or are trying to hide your genuine bigotry behind a vaneer of faux irony. It just looks at whether the statement itself was made to be bigoted. If you intended to be bigoted, were infact being bigoted, but your speech falls under something where if MSO ruled it bigoted he'd have to confront the fact he's got a bit of the ol' bigotry running through his own veins then you're pretty much golden, as I don't expect such ephiphanies any time soon.

[nianjiilical]

I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

its nice to know that you care more about an ultimately minor act of physical frustration coming from an institutionally marginalized and severely discriminated-against minority than said institutional marginalization and discrimination

"this black guy got called the n-word and told to go back to africa to his face by a bunch of white people and he punched one of them, he must be mentally unstable, arrest he"

Nian I don't know how else to tell you this but, yes, people do generally tend to rank physical assault as worse than mean words.

if someone got shot for calling someone else a dumbass motherfucker then yeah thats grossly overexcessive

if someone got punched for calling someone a tranny then no i dont really feel that sympathetic

maybe its just me but if you go out of your way to use the most demeaning language possible i think getting kicked in the shins is an understandable response

[Kendrickorium]

mental health care is pretty important these days

[MMMiracles]

someone post the n-word count graph where terry was like 2-3x the amount of all other servers combined

[MMMiracles]

nevermind i found it

► Show Spoiler

[Pandarsenic]

Love how Basil, lower population and all, manages to out-gamer Manuel

[Misdoubtful]

tl;dr - We've taken a step away from being a safe space for certain people whom are generally persecuted, and taken a dozen steps back towards being a safe space for certain people whom generally persecute others.

I get that we're all feeling that newfound sense of freedom thanks to MSO opening the previously closed floodgates on the use of transphobic and racist slurs in general.

It's totally his call. It very much ties the hands of the admin team in dealing with any reports within the forums, in-game and on Discord, which I'm pretty certain was his intent in stepping in.

So if any of your reports here go unactioned or get closed, it's because what you think is bigotry is not what MSO thinks is bigotry and thus the admin team has to leave it be.

The cynic in me would also say use these slurs within their allowed context more often. Recall that the rules give you permission to use them in general:
"... even things like "nigga pls" and "what are you faggots playing" which are generally not statements made to be bigoted ..."

Run around asking what faggots and trannies are doing/playing/watching/talking about.

Instead of using "people" say "ma niggas" especially if you're from the ghetto or a transphobic/homophobic country like Russia and that's just how you talk - "Man, I liked it when the internet had fewer of ma niggas on it. Too many of ma niggas using it now, really makes it less fun because we're all such politically correct faggots."

Since I'm just using niggas and faggots as slang for "people or persons in general", I'd say that sentence falls squarely under MSO's protection too!

Remember, you're not bigoted. It's just your culture and the people you grew up with.

Bonus points if you're black, because now you get a free nigger card because it's your word and your culture to reclaim. Wunderbar, mein Übermensch.

The rules don't look at whether your intent was to be bigoted, or even if you are actually a bigot, or are trying to hide your genuine bigotry behind a vaneer of faux irony. It just looks at whether the statement itself was made to be bigoted. If you intended to be bigoted, were infact being bigoted, but your speech falls under something where if MSO ruled it bigoted he'd have to confront the fact he's got a bit of the ol' bigotry running through his own veins then you're pretty much golden, as I don't expect such ephiphanies any time soon.

Honestly homie this is it, thats what environments of common sense racism or prejudice enforcement just enable. Common sense at the end of the day is literally just prejudice in a socially acceptable context.

I'm sure you remember the 2005 elections in the UK for example...

Its just the trump card played by those with prejudice to get to continue to express their prejudice and get to scream 'look its okay!'. But at the same time, common sense would dictate not doing something like trash talking trans people in a space where they might just be present in. People don't just walk into a grocery store casually tossing out the N word. Thats just, wait for it... common sense.

Its not even about being PC and trying not to offend people, its about discrimination, its about acting on and vocalizing those prejudices even if it doesn't amount to serious bigotry like trying to burn down a persons house.

There is no arguing about the common sense of it when someone is doing it, by definition. If they have to justify it by jumping through hoops and doing mental gymnastics it doesn't change the fact that they are still doing it, and it never will.

I don't care what side this community goes to I'm fine with either its the INTERNET, what I do care about is fence sitting nonsense.

(I came back to this more than once to try and simplify it and I'm tired of touching on it)

[toemas]

here comes annoying people writing essays on why bigotry is bad

[Misdoubtful]

here comes annoying people writing essays on why bigotry is bad

I don't care what side this community goes to I'm fine with either its the INTERNET, what I do care about is fence sitting nonsense.

Here comes annoying people with insightful dialogue.

Would you like to try again?

[Qbmax32]

pretty cringe move from mso tbqh

[Super Aggro Crag]

bite the fucking curb cishet

[bastardblaster]

cringe move
tgstation is not the government we have no obligation to protect people's rights to use slurs when it actively makes the community a more hostile place towards other demographics

[Super Aggro Crag]

words are violence

[Nabski]

Every time I see the word cishet used it is as an insult. Is that a slur?

[Super Aggro Crag]

Every time I see the word cishet used it is as an insult. Is that a slur?

no words are only a slur if you get a pass to kick the shit out of someone who says it near you. so, for instance, if you call someone the n-word they can kick the shit out of you. If you call someone the t word they can kick the shit out of you. But if someone calls you a cishet or a cracker or a honky or a cumskin or a mayostain and you punch them, its a hate crime and you're going to jail

[Capsandi]

You guys are taking this too seriously. 2 day discord ban. It would be an issue if it was a game ban. MSO is still the best host around. Timber and Melbert has done great during Mothblock's absence.

[Super Aggro Crag]

You guys are taking this too seriously. 2 day discord ban. It would be an issue if it was a game ban. MSO is still the best host around. Timber and Melbert has done great during Mothblock's absence.

maybe we should all simmer down